The Baha'i Studies Listserv On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Naison Jones <[email protected]> wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > > Really. What does this look like to you? Let me summarise the impression > this post gives.
Ok, thanks. Now you are clearer. In your earlier post, when you referred to "you" and also referred to me by name, it was confusing. Do you see that? > I think you may be confused on a couple of points. It doesn't make > sense that you should single out Muslims on this list. > This is hiding behind the Bahais. > I would recommend that you look at what the Bahai Faith's teachings are > regarding the Quran and the Bible. According to the Bahai Faith, the > Quran is the absolutely authentic word of God. And Muhammad is a > Manifestation of God. Bahais love Muhammad just as much as Muslims do. > In fact Shoghi Effendi taught the Bahais that "The mission of the > American Bahá'ís is, no doubt, to eventually establish the truth of > Islam in the West." So you should address your challenges to the > Bahais (not just the Muslims), and the Bahais will rise to defend > Islam. > Bahais as a shield. Ok, now I know what you are referring to. I'm certainly capable of arguing but I'm also honestly curious about what the Bahai response to Islamophobia would be in a case like this. Would Bahais say "Muhammad and athe Quran are sacred to us as well" and argue against the anti-Muslim comment? Or would Bahais say "Yeah, and here are some other things which are wrong with Muslims today"? Or would Bahais be indifferent? Matts post are similar. Dont you know how to defend your > own religion against accusations. Its not the Bahais that are being accused > of these things its your religions leaders. I find it a poor choice of > stratergy to bring the Bahais into it. Despite this being a Bahai list it > was directed at Islam. Except Bahais keep saying that the love and believe in the Quran and Muhammad and the Imams, at least that's what the Writings say.So your religion is being attacked too. You should learn how to defend your own religion > rather than using us as a shield if that is the religion you really believe > to be from God to not have yet been corrupted to still be held sacred and > true. Otherwise these are just empty words. Exactly. > > > > On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Gilberto Simpson > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> The Baha'i Studies Listserv >> I'm asking because it is actually unclear. Atheist was talking to Matt >> and you inserted yourself into their conversation. If you hadn't >> mentioned any names, I would have guessed you were talking to me, but >> since you mention me in the 3rd person that wouldn't make sense. But >> neither Atheist nor Matt seem to be using "Bahais as a shield" and I >> don't see why it would apply to them. >> >> On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 9:35 PM, Naison Jones <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > The Baha'i Studies Listserv >> > >> > Who do you think. >> > >> > On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Gilberto Simpson >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> The Baha'i Studies Listserv >> >> Who are you talking to here? >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Naison Jones <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > The Baha'i Studies Listserv >> >> > >> >> > Unfortunately religion becomes perverted after time and you *do* get >> >> > higher >> >> > incidences of priests doing silly things as I was explaining before >> >> > to >> >> > Gilberto and falling on deaf ears. >> >> > Now you have to defend yourself against all sorts of silly >> >> > accusations >> >> > or >> >> > alternatively you can always use the Bahais as a shield. >> >> > >> >> > On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 4:28 AM, atheist challenge >> >> > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> The Baha'i Studies Listserv >> >> >> >> >> >> Matt, >> >> >> Your religionists are the arrogant ones for trying to force me to >> >> >> believe >> >> >> in your Mohammed, Allah, and Quran. >> >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> >> >> You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: >> >> >> mailto:[email protected] >> >> >> Unsubscribe: send a blank email to >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> mailto:leave-548791-2222932.41cdf54d4f0ecb51bfad2c42bd979...@list.jccc.edu >> >> >> >> >> >> Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to >> >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> Or subscribe: >> >> >> http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st >> >> >> Baha'i Studies is available through the following: >> >> >> Mail - 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