The Baha'i Studies Listserv Some other theological models have attempted to incorporate the perceived benefits of pantheism with the perceived benefits of classical monotheism. The term panentheism (from Greek πᾶν (pân) "all"; ἐν (en) "in"; and θεός (theós) "God"; "all-in-God") was formally coined in Germany in the 19th century to express a philosophical synthesis between traditional theism and pantheism, that God is substantially omnipresent in the physical universe but also in a sense exists "apart from" or "beyond" the universe as its Creator and Sustainer.[20] Thus panentheism is not compatible with pantheism, in which God and the universe are synonymous—with no part of God considered as being distinct from the universe.[21][22] For the same reasons, pandeism is not a form of pantheism. Though pandeism is characterized as a combination of reconcilable elements of pantheism and deism,[23][24] it is simply a form of deism which uses some pantheistic terminology while still including a Creator-deity which is at some point distinct from the universe. Other than Pantheism, all other beliefs tend to have the All wind up as superior to God. In Pantheism, God is not personal, not a creator, and not anthropomorphic. 1. Baha'is say they believe in a personal god, but the writings and metaphors for God imply God being an impersonal force. 2. God and the world being co-eternal negates God being a creator. 3. God is not anthropomorhic. Also, Panentheism leads to some very probemlatic logic issues.
________________________________ From: Stephen Gray <[email protected]> To: Baha'i Studies <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 3:51 PM Subject: Re: Deism, Pandeism, and Pantheism The Baha'i Studies Listserv There's no real substance to any of the terminology on God. Pantheists use language that sounds classically theistic, but with subverted meanings. It's hard even to know when in the writings God actually means god rather than a proxy theophany. ________________________________ From: Don Calkins <[email protected]> To: Baha'i Studies <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:42 AM Subject: Re: Deism, Pandeism, and Pantheism The Baha'i Studies Listserv I don't find any support in Baha'i Scripture for the pandeism claim that God, having created all that is, ceased to exist as an independent entity. Don C On Apr 24, 2012, at 9:28 33AM, Stephen Gray wrote: >The Baha'i Studies Listserv >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism >http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/Deism > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandeism >http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/Pandeism > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism >http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/Pantheism > >The Baha'i Faith has shades of these in it. Deism because God just leaves the >world alone, while he has his proxies actually doing the work of interacting >with the world. Pantheism because God's proxies are in the world and/or the >world itself. Pandeism if you combine the prior two premises. ------------- Understood properly, all man's problems are essentially spiritual in nature. __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[email protected] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-645776-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [email protected] Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:[email protected] Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]
