The Baha'i Studies Listserv "Hominini is the tribe of Homininae that comprises Homo, and other members of the human clade after the split from the tribe Panini (chimpanzees)". Wikipedia
These are the subtribes of Hominini: Subtribe Australopithecina Subtribe Hominina These are the genus of these subtribes: Subtribe Australopithecina Paranthropus Australopithecus Sahelanthropus Orrorin Ardipithecus Kenyanthropus Subtribe Hominina Homo Two species compete to be the first of the genus "Homo", the Homo habilis (2.3 million years ago) and the Homo gautengensis (1,9 million years ago). The genus Austrolopithecus lived 4.0 million years ago, some of these species share its habitat with the first homo. 'Abdu'l-Bahá said in SAQ: 1 "it is evident that man has a gift which the animal does not possess". 2 "it is proved and verified that in man there is a power of discovery by which he is distinguished from the animals, and this is the spirit of man". 3 "while the individual appearance of these different beings is certain, it is possible that man came into existence after the animal". 4 "Man from the beginning was in this perfect form and composition, and possessed capacity and aptitude for acquiring material and spiritual perfections, and was the manifestation of these words, "We will make man in Our image and likeness." [Cf. Gen. 1:26.] He has only become more pleasing, more beautiful and more graceful. Civilization has brought him out of his wild state, just as the wild fruits which are cultivated by a gardener become finer, sweeter and acquire more freshness and delicacy." 6 "The gardeners of the world of humanity are the Prophets of God". 7 "it cannot be said there was a time when man was not. All that we can say is that this terrestrial globe at one time did not exist, and at its beginning man did not appear upon it". 8 "from the beginning which has no beginning, to the end which has no end, a Perfect Manifestation always exists. This Man of Whom we speak is not every man; we mean the Perfect Man". 9 "it cannot be imagined that the worlds of existence, whether the stars or this earth, were once inhabited by the donkey, cow, mouse and cat, and that they were without man!" According to the statements of 'Abdu'l-Bahá: Do you think that God send Manifestations of God/Prophet or some kind of epyphany to Austrolopithecus? If that is true then Austrolopithecus could not be considered animals like chimps or gorillas, so they have a rudimentary soul. What do you think? ________________________________ De: Hasan Elías <hasanel...@yahoo.com> Para: Baha'i Studies <bahai-st@list.jccc.edu> Enviado: Viernes, 7 de diciembre, 2012 5:01 P.M. Asunto: Re: soul of Manifestations of God The Baha'i Studies Listserv Hi all, Again, there is a speech of Mr. Hooper Dunbar, from 38'45'' onwards, where he says: "Secondly, the Manifestation of God has a soul, but here the differences between the Manifestation and the rest of us becomes apparent. He says that the Soul of the Manifestation, different from the human soul which comes into being at the moment of conception, that is it has a beginning but it has no end, Manifestation's soul has had no begging is eternal with the creation of God, and the souls of the Manifestations preexist in the world before they descending at this world and take human form. Shoghi Effendi says we don't know the nature, we don't know what was there, activity or condition. But Their come from the realm (...) in one Table, He says that the Soul of the Manifestation comes from the highest realm..." I'd very grateful if someone of you can quote or give links of that Tablet or other writings, the article of Juan Cole, The Concept of the Manifestation of God... don't give much light about the soul of the Manifestation, thanks. The audio is here http://bahai-library.com/dunbar_manifestation_god Hasan De: Gary Selchert <ebedeyn...@aol.com> Para: Baha'i Studies <bahai-st@list.jccc.edu> Enviado: Viernes, 24 de agosto, 2012 3:27 P.M. Asunto: Re: soul of Manifestations of God The Baha'i Studies ListservHi Hasan. My understanding of SAQ chapters 30 - 40 is imperfect. And my understanding of your questions is imperfect. If your questions can be answered in ordinary language however, I think SAQ chapters 30 - 40 and Kitab-i-Iqan part 2 is where you will find those answers. The language 'Abdu'l-Baha uses in SAQ ch. 39 leads me to believe however that the individual human spirit/rational soul of the Manifestation becomes a holy reality when enveloped and illumined (at some point in His life) by the pre-existent Divine Beauty. At that point and forever after, it seems, the holy reality of the Manifestation's individual soul attains perfect humility and becomes capable of reflecting Divine Reality. Worship it seems may be and is directed to Jesus or Buddha or Baha'u'llah according to the sometimes misinformed inclinations of the worshipper. In every case however, the perfected humility of the Holy Manifestation serves as conducter of that worship from mortal to Divinity, and as mediator of answering blessings from Divine Reality to the worshipping human soul. But all of that is my imperfect and clumsy human attempt at comprehending heavenly matters and expressing them in worldy words. For us mere humans I think the answers must be sought in prayer and meditation rather than in the manipulation of metaphorical concepts beyond what the Manifestation and the Mystery of God have given us. Peace, Gary -----Original Message----- From: Hasan Elías <hasanel...@yahoo.com> To: Baha'i Studies <bahai-st@list.jccc.edu> Sent: Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:17 am Subject: Re: soul of Manifestations of God The Baha'i Studies Listserv Correction: The Holy Reality of Bahá'u'lláh. Is this Reality just one? or are there many Holy Realities? thanks De: Hasan Elías <hasanel...@yahoo.com> Para: Baha'i Studies <bahai-st@list.jccc.edu> Enviado: Viernes, 24 de agosto, 2012 10:52 A.M. Asunto: Re: soul of Manifestations of God The Baha'i Studies Listserv Thanks, So, the individuality (souls) of the Manifestations of God have a beginning? But the "Holy Reality" (that we direct our prayers) has no individuality, right? For example if we say "Bahá'u'lláh", is the same if we say "Jesus", because They are not individualities. So, we worship God through the Hole Reality of Bahá'u'lláh (which is the same as Jesus), we don't worship the soul (individuality) of Bahá'u'lláh? Am I correct? Thanks for answers, H. De: Gary Selchert <ebedeyn...@aol.com> Para: Baha'i Studies <bahai-st@list.jccc.edu> Enviado: Jueves, 23 de agosto, 2012 2:16 A.M. Asunto: Re: soul of Manifestations of God The Baha'i Studies ListservSpecifically, 'Abdu'l-Baha says: Then it is evident that the Manifestations possess three conditions: the physical condition, the condition of the rational soul, and the condition of the divine appearance and heavenly splendor. The physical condition will certainly become decomposed, but the condition of the rational soul, though it has a beginning, has no end: nay, it is endowed with everlasting life. But the Holy Reality, of which Christ says, "The Father is in the Son,"[1] has neither beginning nor end. (Abdu'l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, p. 153) -----Original Message----- From: Don Calkins <don59...@gmail.com> To: Baha'i Studies <bahai-st@list.jccc.edu> Sent: Wed, Aug 22, 2012 10:18 pm Subject: Re: soul of Manifestations of God The Baha'i Studies Listserv It is the Holy Spirit that is pre-existent, I believe, not the rational soul. Don C On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:57 45PM, Hasan Elías wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv >Hi all, > > >I want to ask you about the soul of the Manifestation of God. > > >We know that They appear in a human form [human body and soul ("rational soul" >or "human spirit" according to SAQ)]. > > >My question is,if They have an human soul, how can They be pre-existent? Since >any human soul has a beginning with the birth? > > >Thanks all for answers, > > >Best, > > >Hasan ------------ He who believes himself spiritual proves he is not. __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-678895-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
