The Baha'i Studies Listserv Gary, have you though about practicing temperance? It's a heavenly virtue!
Temperance Chastity Generosity Patience Diligence Humility Kindness Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 3:04, Gary Selchert <ebedeyn...@aol.com> wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > I'm a Germanic, neo-Duns-Scotian glutton. > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Kent Gray <skg_z...@yahoo.com> > To: Baha'i Studies <bahai-st@list.jccc.edu> > Sent: Wed, Apr 17, 2013 2:16 pm > Subject: Re: Against nature... > > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > That reminds me that while I'm fiscally responsible, I'm socially tolerant. > I'm currently religious Humanist, Nichiren Buddhist, and Unitarian > Universalist. > > Also, yes. Don C, I have noticed the Left has been authoritarian and the > Right libertarian. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 17, 2013, at 16:01, Stephen Kent Gray <skg_z...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> The Baha'i Studies Listserv >> Interesting, I'm a member of the Libertarian Right myself. Classical >> liberalism, Libertarianism, Minarchism, Anarcho-Capitalism, Laissez-faire, >> etc. >> >> Sounds like the concept of Aeons in Thelema. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeon_(Thelema) >> >> Lots of religious groups have concepts of dispensationalism. >> Examples >> Hare Krishnas and the Age of Bhakti >> Nichiren Buddhists and the Age of the Lotus Sutra >> Discordians and the Age of Eris >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Apr 17, 2013, at 15:25, Don Calkins <don59...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> The Baha'i Studies Listserv >>> on the contrary . . . . >>> >>> Like most Euro-Americans, you believe in some kind of authoritarianism in >>> which those in control pass laws to make people behave according to your >>> standards and then punish people who do not comply. i reject that as an >>> efficient and effective means of administration. >>> >>> Further, I do believe in a form of separation of church and state such that >>> Baha'i law will not be forced on non-Baha'is. >>> >>> What happens when Baha'is "run the world"? First off, I reject the >>> terminology. I don't believe Baha'is will ever "be in charge" in the sense >>> that governments are today. When the Baha'i Commonwealth with the House >>> of Justice at its head comes into being, the entire idea of someone being >>> in charge will be seen as anachronistic. >>> >>> How do I believe the Baha'i administration will "come to power"? By >>> default. It will be recognized as the only effective administrative system >>> that is actually functioning. You think this is impossible? Look at what >>> has happened in parts of the world where the central government has >>> collapsed and fundamentalist Islam has been embraced by the populace, if >>> only temporarily. They were accepted because they provided stability and >>> nobody else could. in a similar manner, parts of northern Italy were ruled >>> by the Communist Party for the the same reason. You may not have liked >>> their philosophy, but there were relatively corruption free. >>> >>> You and I Stephen have extremely different administrative philosophies. >>> Not only am I a Baha'i, but I also have a libertarian left administrative >>> philosophy. There are not very many other Baha'is in that category and >>> even fewer who have given any tho't as to how that philosophy informs the >>> functioning of the Baha'i Administration. >>> >>> According to Baha'u'llah, this is not merely a new Dispensation, but a new >>> age, the Age of Maturity. As such, what we are going thru' is the greatest >>> change to the functioning of human affairs since the mythic "Time of Adam", >>> when the Culture Hero societies replaced the Mother Goddess societies. The >>> Adamic Cycle can be seen as the equivalent of going thru' puberty. We are >>> now embarking on our maturity and it is time for us to grow up and take >>> responsibility for our own affairs instead of waiting for mommy and daddy >>> (kings/gov'ts/administrators) to tell us what to do. Rather, the new >>> purpose of administrators is to remind us, repeatedly and persistently if >>> necessary, what the proper principles should guide us. Shoghi Effendi made >>> reference to this idea many years ago when he told local Assemblies to quit >>> making up rules to enforce on their members. >>> >>> Another point - most leftist activists in the United States are >>> authoritarian, they seek power so they can make other people do things >>> their way. Most leftist activists also define equality in terms of power; >>> that is, a group of people are only equal to the extent they have members >>> who exercise power. That is the reason some people make a big deal out of >>> there not being any women on the House of Justice. It is seen as having >>> for its purpose the exercise of power and if women are not allowed to >>> participate, then they have less power and are, therefore, not quite equal. >>> I reject that entire argument. >>> >>> You may think I have avoided the topic or changed it. i have not. What I >>> have done is shown how your entire argument is irrelevant. >>> >>> Don C >>> >>>> Susan, have you read the earlier e-mail in this thread. Don C thinks >>>> society should have a zero tolerance policy towards non-heterosexuality. >>>> No marriage, no civil unions, no domestic partnership, no adoption, no >>>> parental rights, etc. He was complaining society gives them too many >>>> rights and blames it on secular liberalism. >>> >>> >>> ----------- >>> It doesn't matter whether the sun shines if you never go outside. __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-698455-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
