ZT: Good post. I agree with you. Z T Minhas wrote: > no islam is not subject to any form of reformation. those that seek to > "reform" islam are the one's who need reformation. islam is > perfection. there is no room for any form of "modernization" of it. > there are those who misappropriate or misapply islam, and they should > be taken to task. > > Z T > > liz allen wrote: >> like the Bible there are things in it we do not consider modern >> day....slavery, ownership of women and the like..perhaps its time to >> modernize Islam...flogging women is horrible and she be barred. >> Anyone doing that should get jail time. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Ahumanb <[email protected]> >> *To:* [email protected]; >> [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected]; >> [email protected]; >> [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected]; >> [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected]; >> [email protected]; >> [email protected]; >> [email protected]; >> [email protected]; >> [email protected]; >> [email protected]; >> [email protected]; >> [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected]; [email protected]; niyas abbas >> <[email protected]> >> *Cc:* [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected] >> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 7, 2009 9:33:35 AM >> *Subject:* [bangla-vision] Re: FLOGGING PUBLICLY - IS NOT IN THE >> QUR'AN - BUT VERIFY BEFORE COMMENTING >> >> Dear Br. Niyas, >> >> Please try to understand the meaning of the message. It claims that >> flogging _publicly_ is not in the Qur'an, and I do agree with him. >> Please notice the word 'publicly'. You cannot flog a girl/woman in >> public for the amusement of the whole world! The author, however, >> didn't deny the fact that the Qur'an prescribes flogging as a >> punishment for adultery for both _men_ and _women_. >> >> --- On *Tue, 4/7/09, niyas abbas /<niyasab...@yahoo. co.uk>/* wrote: >> >> >> From: niyas abbas <niyasab...@yahoo. co.uk> >> Subject: Re: FLOGGING PUBLICLY - IS NOT IN THE QUR'AN - BUT >> VERIFY BEFORE COMMENTING >> To: issuesonline_ worldwide@ yahoogroups. com, aawaz-e-dost@ >> yahoogroups. com, ahelusu...@yahoogro ups.com <http://ups.com/>, >> ahlul-bayt_of_ islam_tt@ yahoogroups. com, al7or_al3ayn@ >> yahoogroups. com, allah_alone@ yahoogroups. com, allah_muhammad_ >> saw_quraan@ yahoogroups. com, american-muslims@ yahoogroups. com, >> Amra-Bangladesi@ yahoogroups. com, amuslimvoice@ yahoogroups. >> com, apna_lyalpur@ yahoogroups. com, baain...@yahoogroup s.com >> <http://s.com/>, bangla-vision@ yahoogroups. com, >> Bangladesh-Zindabad @yahoogroups. com, bangladeshi- websites@ >> yahoogroups. com, batunimurid@ yahoogroups. com, bazm-e-yaaraan@ >> yahoogroups. com, c_...@yahoogroups. co.in <http://co.in/>, >> da...@yahoogroups. com, discussing_religion @yahoogroups. com, >> fourteenstars@ yahoogroups. com, friendzforallah@ yahoogroups. >> com, geois...@yahoogroup s.com, hidayah...@yahoogro ups.com, >> i...@yahoogroups. com, inga...@yahoogroups .com, insideislam@ >> yahoogroups. com, interfaithdialoguec en...@yahoogroup s.com, >> islam_1_god_ 1_religion_ 1_tr...@yahoogro ups.com.au >> <http://ups..com.au/>, Islam_Christians@ yahoogroups. co..uk, >> islam_lightuponligh t...@yahoogroups. com, islam_muslims@ >> yahoogroups. co..uk, islam_peace_ and_understandin g...@yahoogroups. >> com, islam-global_ religion@ yahoogroups. com, islam-n-muslims@ >> yahoogroups. com, islam-science@ yahoogroups. com, >> islam4...@yahoogrou ps.com <http://ps.com/>, islamc...@yahoogrou >> ps.com, islamforeveryone@ yahoogroups. com, islamic_circle@ >> yahoogroups. com, islamic_ways@ yahoogroups. com, islamic_world_ >> to...@yahoogroup s.com, islamic-ebook@ yahoogroups. com, >> islamicdialogue@ yahoogroups. com, islamicminds@ yahoogroups. >> com, islamicommunity@ yahoogroups. com, islamisthetruth@ >> yahoogroups. com, izla...@yahoogroups .com >> Cc: "Ahumanb" <ahum...@yahoo. com>, alhasan...@gmail. com, >> amongbelievers@ yahoogroups. com, ansar...@gust. edu.kw >> <http://edu.kw/>, avigdormiller@ gmail.com <http://gmail.com/>, >> bmdu...@yahoo. com, fa...@alshayaksa. com, faith_hope4peace@ >> yahoo.com <http://yahoo.com/>, Faith_Works@ yahoogroups. com, >> Gender_and_Religion @yahoogroups. com, geois...@yahoogroup s.com >> Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 6:07 AM >> >> Take care before making comments ...... This is either a fake >> video distributed by CIA or something which happened long before >> Talaban took control and implemented shariah in swat valley in >> Feb 09. >> The Hindu report says the woman denied she was flogged at all .... >> But in the meantime watch the Non-Muslim way of flogging a woman >> in the western world ..... striped naked and raped by policemen >> ..... >> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=tVJb_wkI7jk&feature=player_ >> embedded >> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVJb_wkI7jk&feature=player_embedded> >> Our Ulamas did the same mistake after Neocon's 911 conspiracy and >> issued fataawa after fataawa which was used as ticket to kill a >> million plus Muslims .... Videos are easy to make .... but fully >> verify before making comments ..... A man is innocent until >> proved guilty .... use this std ..... Don't put your horse before >> the cart ..... and contribute to western plot to destroy Islam >> and murder Muslims. You will have a share in it. Let us be united >> .... If Qur'an prescribed flogging then it must be good for the >> society .... let us refine how to do it and when to do it ..... >> and to whom it should be done .... don't condemn wholesale .... >> Allah's laws need to be implemented fully ..... not one law can >> be compromised with ..... but ofcourse .... implementing >> punishments under shariah has some preliminaries to be fullfilled >> such as removal of all causes of evils ..... let us work on this >> ..... without giving the justification for the kuffar to totally >> stop shariah implementation. >> Remove poverty before cutting hands for thieving ..... remove >> porns and other avenues of sex abuse before flogging or stoning >> for fornication .... etc... But if some mistakes are committed >> let our Ulamas get involved in discussions and help the Talaban >> out to refine and fine tune implementation of Allah's laws rather >> than kill the sheep in one shot ..... at the same time make your >> voice heard when our people are abused and raped and killed by >> the western evil forces .... rather than raising the voices only >> when shariah is implemented and when it is not to the apetite of >> the western bogus democracy. >> West will oppose two legal wives yet they will flirt with 10 >> women at a time ...... so our Ulamas should take care ..... don't >> go to please the west .... >> Niyas >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Ahumanb ahum...@yahoo. com >> <http://us.mc01g.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> *Subject:* [issuesonline_ worldwide] FLOGGING PUBLICLY - IS NOT >> IN THE QUR'AN >> >> FLOGGING PUBLICLY - IS NOT IN THE QUR'AN >> >> By Bashir Abid >> >> It is very unfortunate that in spite of repeated cautions in the >> Qur'an, people do not reflect in it and ultimately take wrong >> meanings of its otherwise very clear laws and principles. >> >> Recently, a young girl was flogged publicly for adultery in Swat. >> This has raised many questions regarding human rights and the >> Qur'an. Flogging in public is considered against human dignity >> and honor. >> >> This punishment is mentioned in verse: 24:2 which says: >> >> "The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, flog >> each of them with hundred stripes; let not compassion move you in >> conducting the affairs of 'Deen' - (System of the Islamic State), >> if you believe in God and the Last Day: And let a PARTY OF THE >> BELIEVERS witness their punishment." >> >> Here the Qur'an says: "A PARTY OF THE BELIEVERS" - not the public >> in general. >> >> The Arabic word translated in this verse as: A PARTY is >> 'Taifatun' which has got several meanings. It is used for >> Security-Guards, Patrol-Boats, Physically Strong Persons, and A >> Section of People Working Together for Common Cause etc. >> >> In view of the depth and vastness of meanings, the best meaning >> of 'taifatun' could be the State Authority who executes the >> punishment. This punishment, like any other punishment, must be >> carried out in the presences of State Authority. It may consist >> of a Judge, a Doctor, Police and Prison Authorities. Also, it may >> include the family members of the victim. >> >> FROM WHERE DOES COME THE CONCEPT OF FLOGGING IN PUBLIC? >> >> Now, you can confidently say, NOT FROM THE QUR'AN! >> >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - >> >> My Bangla Blog on Theism-Atheism and Religion: >> >> http://amarblog. com/smraihan <http://amarblog.com/smraihan> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >
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