Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://community.hackit.cx/chat/ for the 25/02/2011.
08:57:01 <> vlad joins Farsides 08:57:09 <vlad> Good morning 09:25:26 <Xavier> vlad quit (timeout) 09:31:38 <Xavier> Hello Vlad! 09:31:57 <Xavier> Damn, is in timeout 09:32:52 <> tartaruga feliz joins Farsides 09:34:19 <> da joins Farsides 09:34:31 <da> hello hello 09:34:34 <Xavier> Hi :D 09:34:41 <tartaruga feliz> hello 09:35:37 <Xavier> So let's get started? 09:35:47 <Xavier> Did you read the agenda for this meeting? :D 09:36:19 <Xavier> Setting next big deadlines (cf email about conventions from today) * How to decide the next priorities for the game? * Switching mailing-list + forum + blog to buddypress (cf emails) * Vlad's task(s) for today 09:37:58 <vlad> Hello 09:38:11 <vlad> Sorry i got disconnected 09:38:13 <da> hey Vlad 09:38:20 <Xavier> No worries : ) 09:38:28 <tartaruga feliz> hello! 09:38:31 <Xavier> How are you today? 09:38:53 <vlad> I'm very good 09:39:05 <Xavier> Good : ) 09:39:36 <Xavier> Before we start, did you all have a look at the meeting agenda (above) ? And to the related emails ? 09:39:44 <tartaruga feliz> yeap 09:39:53 <vlad> yes 09:40:12 <da> yep 09:40:16 <Xavier> cool! 09:40:39 <Xavier> ok, so for the first one - what do you think of the next two proposed deadlines? 09:40:56 <da> good for me 09:41:43 <Xavier> da> can you elaborate a bit? I know my ideas are always good :D but would be good to get some comments on it 09:42:26 <da> it's just that your ideas are so amazing that I feel I mute after 09:42:34 <da> ok ok 09:42:44 <Xavier> I know how it feels 09:42:51 <tartaruga feliz> oh my god 09:42:55 <Xavier> ahahahhaha 09:43:11 <da> so i like the idea of not waiting until june and to define an intermediary step 09:43:29 <da> because one deadline each couple of month seems a good rythm 09:44:08 <da> as to the intermediary step of showing the game in the street or at aconfference, i think we can learn some stuff by doing that so it's cool 09:44:30 <da> to sum up, your ideas are pure genius, as always. Happy ? 09:44:48 <Xavier> Ah, that's the kind of comments I like 09:44:49 <Xavier> :D 09:44:51 <tartaruga feliz> ahmmm the idea of the game in the street is mine. so I'm the genius here! :P 09:44:58 <Xavier> ahahahahaha 09:45:18 <vlad> ok, group hug :) 09:45:29 <Xavier> poutout poutou 09:45:30 <da> :) 09:45:42 <Xavier> Deb? 09:45:50 <tartaruga feliz> I'm not hugging 09:45:53 <tartaruga feliz> sorry. :P 09:45:57 <Xavier> ahahaha 09:46:00 <Xavier> grrrr 09:46:09 <Xavier> I was talking about your comments on the deadlines ;p 09:46:14 <tartaruga feliz> ahhh 09:46:19 <tartaruga feliz> no comments 09:47:24 <Xavier> ok deborah is ecstatic on my beautiful ideas, maybe Vlad you want to comment in the meantime? :) 09:48:45 <tartaruga feliz> what are these deadlines for exactly? 09:48:49 <tartaruga feliz> the website? the game itself? 09:48:56 <Xavier> The game 09:49:01 <tartaruga feliz> ah 09:49:10 <vlad> sure, faster deadlines are good. But we need to tie this up with a feature roadmap and i also think that we must validate somehow these deadlines with an outisde audience 09:49:27 <Xavier> agreed 09:49:28 <vlad> the mozilla situation was perfect in my opinion 09:50:16 <Xavier> Validating with an audience is definitely the most important thing here - thus the fact of showing it in the street or at a convention, where we can look at how players react to the game 09:51:35 <Xavier> For the roadmap, yep, it's important too. One good habit to take is to avoid making promises about when specific features will be finished (otherwise it creates expectations from players, that are often not met in online games), but this can take the form of priorities 09:52:40 <Xavier> This was how it worked for Mozilla - there was no precise roadmap, but there was a focus on missions and making the first experience of the player smooth, and then we tried our best 09:53:14 <Xavier> (and setting priorities/roadmap is something we'll need to discuss right after this first point) 09:53:31 <Xavier> Deborah, what are your comments, before we move on? 09:54:09 <tartaruga feliz> I agree and I think this time we should make a roadmap of everything that needs to be done with exact deadlines for delivering 09:54:26 <tartaruga feliz> this way I know exactly what I need to do and when I need to finish it 09:55:03 <Xavier> We can definitely make a list of the things that can be done, and the things that will have to be done 09:56:10 <Xavier> But the principle of choosing the tasks in the morning requires some flexibility - for some things (like the website) there will be a precise roadmap with clear deadlines 09:56:40 <Xavier> but for the game it will be more, once a week, choosing a set of tasks for the day that match the priorities 09:56:46 <da> this is where SCRUM principles could help us speak the same language (it's on my todo) 09:56:50 <tartaruga feliz> ok, that's good for me 09:57:18 <Xavier> yup, sounds good david 09:57:30 <Xavier> Deb> cool 09:57:59 <Xavier> (and remember that we can always change this organization if it doesn't work for you) 09:58:14 <Xavier> ok, so now for deciding the next priorities 09:58:23 <vlad> yup scrum could be the way to go. i wanted for some time to look into it but never had the chance 09:58:49 <Xavier> yup - how do you want to move on on that subject david (scrum)? 10:00:14 <da> i was supposed to make a proposal this week based on pivotal tracker but i'll take a few more days to find a replacement of pivotal that would be open source. Then I'll try to propose on the ml a simple scrum organization based on the constraints of the tool 10:00:40 <da> the idea being to familiarize ourselves with the basics of scrum even if the tool is not perfect 10:00:50 <Xavier> perfect for me 10:01:06 <Xavier> ok, so deciding on the next prioties 10:01:29 <Xavier> we won't decide today, I just wanted to see how we would proceed for this 10:01:55 <Xavier> I will post ideas and my general feeling, but I thought it would be good if it didn't only came from me 10:02:15 <Xavier> So here is what I'd like to propose, tell me what you think 10:03:18 <Xavier> The goal would be to decide during next week's meeting, and to brainstorm a bit during the week (so that we have already everything in mind when we arrive at the meeting) 10:03:34 <Xavier> What it would require: 10:04:03 <Xavier> - Playing the game, to have a fresh impression 10:04:47 <Xavier> - (re)reading the feedback (I can post or put a compilation so that it's easy to see what there is to read) 10:05:17 <Xavier> - Thinking about what we should do next (posting it on the ML to make sure others can think about it before the meeting) 10:05:23 <Xavier> What do you think? 10:05:44 <Xavier> Vlad? 10:06:35 <vlad> yup, it's good in my opinion 10:07:47 <Xavier> Do you think you would have time during the week to do that? Or maybe we could see to include this in your iteration today? 10:09:07 <tartaruga feliz> its good for me too 10:09:40 <vlad> i could probably spend some evenings during the week, but i think its good to have a start during this iteration 10:10:02 <vlad> however i would like to look a little at that carousel. it's bugging me :) 10:10:11 <Xavier> ahaha, agreed : ) 10:10:42 <Xavier> alright, let's include those when we agree on your tasks 10:11:09 <Xavier> Deborah, is it alright with your schedule? I know you're quite busy lately 10:11:25 <tartaruga feliz> i have a question, when you say "Thinking about what we should do next" what exactly do you mean? 10:11:46 <Xavier> It's about what we should focus on doing in the game, next 10:11:55 <Xavier> Basically, answering questions like: 10:12:04 <Xavier> - What's wrong with the game right now? 10:12:09 <Xavier> - What's missing? 10:12:28 <Xavier> - Is the concept good or do we want to change it? How? 10:12:29 <Xavier> etc. 10:12:35 <Xavier> Makes sense? 10:13:09 <tartaruga feliz> yes 10:13:16 <Xavier> ok 10:13:20 <Xavier> david? 10:13:25 <tartaruga feliz> and its ok for next friday for me 10:13:34 <Xavier> perfect - thanks : ) 10:14:19 <da> sure - works for me. updating the task follow-up accordingly http://farsides.com/wiki/Tasks_follow-up 10:14:48 <Xavier> cool 10:15:06 <Xavier> Next point: switching ML+forum+blog to buddypress 10:15:33 <Xavier> Di you have a look at what I installed? http://farsides.com/blog/ 10:15:44 <Xavier> (it's the base installation of buddypress) 10:15:49 <tartaruga feliz> yes I really like that 10:16:10 <tartaruga feliz> it looks like a blog its better to visualize content 10:16:20 <tartaruga feliz> and there's not a lot of text! :P 10:16:26 <Xavier> ahahahaha 10:16:41 <Xavier> yes the home right now is the actual blog, that would be part of buddypress 10:17:10 <Xavier> for what would replace the ML have a look at the groups tab: http://farsides.com/blog/groups/ 10:17:25 <Xavier> (there would be a group for each project/theme) 10:17:52 <tartaruga feliz> well, the picture is really good for motivation for me! 10:17:53 <tartaruga feliz> thanks 10:17:56 <Xavier> :D 10:18:02 <Xavier> I knew you would like it ;p 10:18:02 <tartaruga feliz> I didn't understand how it works 10:18:31 <Xavier> Well each group is similar, in a way, to a Facebook group 10:18:50 <tartaruga feliz> ahh I think I got it. we can publish evrything related to the project there, even the files? and everyone can comment? 10:18:56 <Xavier> You have a "wall" where we can discuss the topic 10:19:00 <Xavier> yep exactly 10:19:14 <tartaruga feliz> I like it 10:19:21 <Xavier> And you can choose the type, theme and regularity of the email notifications your receive 10:19:45 <da> when there are a lot of threads (if it replaces the ml, there will), do you think it is as easy to manage as the ml ? (finding a specific thread for instance) 10:20:00 <Xavier> Well you have a search 10:20:42 <Xavier> I think what will help with managing the discussions is the fact that you can look at all the discussions on a given theme/project at the same place (its group) 10:21:08 <da> ok 10:21:16 <tartaruga feliz> exactly, I really like that 10:21:17 <Xavier> But with those things we can only really see when we try 10:21:54 <da> and our forum is currently the ml, right ? So do you think the groups and the forum would merge, or would they become different tools ? 10:22:35 <Xavier> Right now I think we can test replacing all this by the "wall" of each group. 10:22:50 <da> ok 10:23:01 <Xavier> If it's not good enough, buddypress/wordpress has a forum plugin: bbpress 10:23:10 <Xavier> we can create one for each group 10:23:38 <Xavier> the drawback is that it split things, while the wall allows to see either everything or just one group 10:23:40 <vlad> So, you're thinking to move all users from the ml and create wp accounts for them? 10:24:25 <Xavier> That's a good question, I'm wondering how to proceed with those who are on the ML but rarely post 10:24:37 <Xavier> What do you thin would be best? 10:25:22 <tartaruga feliz> why don't we try for now to see what happens before moving everyone from one place to another? 10:25:26 <vlad> i'm thinking to keep them both live for a period and campaign for the user to switch themselves 10:25:33 <tartaruga feliz> hehehe 10:25:46 <Xavier> You're right, one step at a time : ) 10:25:58 <Xavier> Especially because we don't know if this is going to work 10:26:07 <tartaruga feliz> especially because of that 10:26:12 <Xavier> :D 10:26:55 <Xavier> Vlad what do you think of the concept? Would it be potentially better than the ML for you? 10:30:17 <vlad> i like the idea. It will certainly allow for specific people to focus on the things of interest 10:30:50 <Xavier> ok then 10:30:57 <vlad> but i like the fact that on ml you can glance at other topics as they arrive in your inbox and maybe something catches your attention 10:31:18 <Xavier> Yup, I see what you mean 10:32:04 <Xavier> Maybe have a look at the notifications - I don't know how they are formated, maybe you can get this overview from there too 10:32:50 <Xavier> If you don't, tell me what would be still missing and I'll see if there is a plugin that allows to do it 10:33:10 <vlad> yup i'll look into it and see how they work 10:33:19 <Xavier> okidok 10:33:46 <Xavier> I'll create a few groups and let you know when to switch then 10:34:22 <Xavier> ok so last point: your iteration Vlad : ) 10:34:32 <vlad> ok :) 10:34:40 <Xavier> So we mentioned the carousel and the next steps for the game 10:35:30 <vlad> yup, can you send me the feedback so i'll take it into account for the steps 10:35:34 <vlad> ? 10:35:50 <Xavier> Do you keep those two? Any other or alternate things? 10:35:57 <Xavier> yup, I'll do that 10:36:36 <Xavier> I'll forward all the related emails so that everything is in one place (or put it on the wiki) 10:37:24 <vlad> in our last week's discussion we decided to wrok today on some specific points from the feedback. Should we push these to next week? 10:38:30 <Xavier> It's open - what's important to consider is what you are motivated to work on now, it changes a lot the approach during the day : ) 10:38:57 <Xavier> (btw I've updated http://feedback.farsides.com/ if you haven't seen) 10:40:45 <vlad> yup, i'm looking at it. 10:41:10 <Xavier> ok, don't hesitate to take your time 10:42:28 <vlad> ok, i think we should go today with the carousel and the next steps and think about items of feedback for the next week. will that work? 10:43:49 <Xavier> ok, good for me 10:44:24 <Xavier> Ok, so before finishing, anyone sees anything else to discuss? 10:46:18 <da> i updated the tasklist -> can each one of you check that it's ok ? 10:46:30 <da> especially Xav, the others I think I have it 10:46:37 <tartaruga feliz> I checked already! mine is good! :) 10:46:41 <da> http://farsides.com/wiki/Tasks_follow-up 10:46:44 <tartaruga feliz> thanks! 10:47:14 <Xavier> : ) 10:47:59 <Xavier> For mine I'm working on my monthly review from ZTD, I'll update the Tasks Followup as soon as I'm finished 10:48:25 <da> ok then. Nothing else on my side 10:48:51 <Xavier> ok good then 10:49:09 <Xavier> It's late already actually 10:49:33 <Xavier> It's not too disruptive to have this meeting at this time for you Vlad? It's late already for you to start 10:56:39 <Xavier> Vlaaaaad : ) 10:59:09 <Xavier> ok, we've lost Vlad : ) 10:59:24 <Xavier> So in the meantime, thanks and good luck all ;p 10:59:26 <tartaruga feliz> he went to sleep already 10:59:35 <tartaruga feliz> by ye! 10:59:52 <Xavier> :D 10:59:54 <da> bye :) 11:00:40 <da> tartaruga feliz quit (timeout) 11:04:48 <vlad> da quit (timeout) 11:07:03 <vlad> damn, sorry. 11:07:14 <vlad> No, it's not late. 11:07:18 <vlad> bye all :) 11:07:39 <Xavier> ahah, no worries : ) 11:07:44 <Xavier> ok, good then 11:07:51 <Xavier> good luck with the carousel 11:08:04 <Xavier> If you need something let me know 11:08:17 <Xavier> I'll try to avoid the timeouts ;p 11:53:14 <da> vlad quit (timeout) 12:15:12 <vlad> end timeout :) 12:29:45 <vlad> da quit (timeout) 13:31:50 <Xavier> vlad quit (timeout) 15:04:36 <vlad> end timeout :) 15:05:09 <Xavier> : ) 15:30:19 <vlad> Xavier quit (timeout) 15:54:22 <Xavier> my turn - re ;p 17:16:33 <vlad> victory!! after 4 different carousels i finally found one that works with jquery dialog. i'll start styling it 17:22:52 <Xavier> ahahah, cool : ) 17:22:59 <Xavier> Which one is it? 17:40:22 <vlad> its called tinycarousel 17:41:06 <vlad> http://plugins.jquery.com/project/tinycarousel 17:42:00 <Xavier> Looks slick and clean, cool : ) 17:42:29 <Xavier> good finding! 19:01:23 <vlad> ok, i'm going home. have a great evening 19:01:59 <Xavier> vlad quit (timeout) _______________________________________________ Farsides mailing list - [email protected] Wiki: http://farsides.com/ List: http://farsides.com/ml/ Forum: http://farsides.com/forum/ Ideas: http://farsides.com/ideas/ Chat: http://farsides.com/chat/
