Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2011-03-18.
2011-03-18 08:17:43+0000 pranjal (pranjal) is now online 2011-03-18 08:25:27+0000 vlad__ (vlad__) is now online 2011-03-18 08:25:43+0000 <vlad__> Hi all, how are you? 2011-03-18 08:25:55+0000 <antoviaque> vlad__: hi! 2011-03-18 08:25:58+0000 <antoviaque> good and you? 2011-03-18 08:26:03+0000 <antoviaque> pranjal: hello : ) 2011-03-18 08:26:10+0000 <pranjal> Hi :) 2011-03-18 08:26:26+0000 <vlad__> i'm very good, thanks 2011-03-18 08:27:26+0000 da (da) is now online 2011-03-18 08:27:41+0000 <da> hi everyone 2011-03-18 08:27:48+0000 <antoviaque> hi da! 2011-03-18 08:28:20+0000 <antoviaque> just waiting for Deborah and we'll get started : ) 2011-03-18 08:29:25+0000 <antoviaque> Actually I don't have much this week, it's more individual points to see with Vlad (contract & full time), Pranjal (Card Stories update) and Deborah (website skin), but no big topic to discuss al for me 2011-03-18 08:30:05+0000 <antoviaque> So Vlad if you want to have a look at tasks for this week, you can start now if you want 2011-03-18 08:32:02+0000 <vlad__> antoviaque: ok, i'll have a look 2011-03-18 08:34:38+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-03-18 08:35:22+0000 <antoviaque> hi tartarugafeliz! 2011-03-18 08:35:28+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hi! 2011-03-18 08:35:48+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: FYI (09:29:26 AM) antoviaque: Actually I don't have much this week, it's more individual points to see with Vlad (contract & full time), Pranjal (Card Stories update) and Deborah (website skin), but no big topic to discuss al for me 2011-03-18 08:35:58+0000 <antoviaque> Does anyone has a topic to bring? 2011-03-18 08:36:26+0000 <antoviaque> Otherwise maybe would be good to discuss Card Stories, so that everyone can get a pick at what is happening : ) 2011-03-18 08:36:43+0000 <pranjal> sure :) 2011-03-18 08:37:02+0000 <pranjal> I sent the status update yesterday, I have finally been able to check in code and DB etc yesterday and hopefully you will be able to now install and run it. 2011-03-18 08:37:26+0000 <pranjal> now my primary focus now would be how to make UTC work 2011-03-18 08:37:32+0000 <pranjal> with FB framework 2011-03-18 08:37:41+0000 <vlad__> hi Deborah, David 2011-03-18 08:37:42+0000 <antoviaque> Yup, I just saw your email, that's good 2011-03-18 08:37:52+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hello!! :) 2011-03-18 08:37:53+0000 <da> hi Vlas 2011-03-18 08:37:58+0000 <da> sorry 2011-03-18 08:38:01+0000 <da> Vlad :) 2011-03-18 08:38:02+0000 <antoviaque> Do you have the URL? This way everyone can get to see the current version : ) 2011-03-18 08:38:31+0000 <pranjal> http://apps.facebook.com/cardstories-dev/?ref=bookmarks&count=0 2011-03-18 08:38:35+0000 <antoviaque> thx! 2011-03-18 08:39:36+0000 <antoviaque> You saw my 4 points about communication too, right? Are those ok? What should be set as the deadline for the completion? 2011-03-18 08:39:56+0000 <antoviaque> (5 points actually : ) ) 2011-03-18 08:40:39+0000 <tartarugafeliz> OH MY DOOG! 2011-03-18 08:40:43+0000 <tartarugafeliz> this is so cool! :D 2011-03-18 08:41:22+0000 <antoviaque> Yup, Card Stories is really taking shape, it's really cool to see : ) 2011-03-18 08:41:30+0000 <pranjal> Well I have seen those points.. it seems to be too much reporting at first but I can understand from your point of view that we want the information to flow 2011-03-18 08:41:32+0000 smitha_k (smitha_k) is now online 2011-03-18 08:41:41+0000 <antoviaque> hi smitha_k! 2011-03-18 08:41:49+0000 <smitha_k> Hello Xavier 2011-03-18 08:42:02+0000 <antoviaque> We've just got started : ) 2011-03-18 08:42:12+0000 <antoviaque> eve: start meeting 2011-03-18 08:42:12+0000 * eve gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles 2011-03-18 08:42:13+0000 <pranjal> I assume that "an update of the progress is posted on http://farsides.com/blog/groups/card-stories/"; would be similar to sending an email to bar group? 2011-03-18 08:42:19+0000 tempuramerino (tempuramerino) is now online 2011-03-18 08:42:28+0000 <antoviaque> smitha_k: We're discussing Card Stories : ) 2011-03-18 08:42:31+0000 <antoviaque> hi tempuramerino! 2011-03-18 08:42:41+0000 <tartarugafeliz> pranjal, this is really cool to see! :D 2011-03-18 08:43:07+0000 <antoviaque> smitha_k: tempuramerino: for the late comers, : ) here is the log of the discussion so far : 2011-03-18 08:43:08+0000 <da> card stories -> I had forgotten how cool is the design ! oh my dooooog :) 2011-03-18 08:43:15+0000 <smitha_k> alright 2011-03-18 08:43:21+0000 <pranjal> thx tartarugafeliz, its just starting to take shape .. hopefully it will be a lot better when we complete this 2011-03-18 08:43:21+0000 <antoviaque> (09:35:49 AM) antoviaque: tartarugafeliz: FYI (09:29:26 AM) antoviaque: Actually I don't have much this week, it's more individual points to see with Vlad (contract & full time), Pranjal (Card Stories update) and Deborah (website skin), but no big topic to discuss al for me 2011-03-18 08:43:21+0000 <antoviaque> (09:35:59 AM) antoviaque: Does anyone has a topic to bring? 2011-03-18 08:43:21+0000 <antoviaque> (09:36:27 AM) antoviaque: Otherwise maybe would be good to discuss Card Stories, so that everyone can get a pick at what is happening : ) 2011-03-18 08:43:21+0000 <antoviaque> (09:37:03 AM) pranjal: I sent the status update yesterday, I have finally been able to check in code and DB etc yesterday and hopefully you will be able to now install and run it. 2011-03-18 08:43:21+0000 <antoviaque> (09:36:44 AM) pranjal: sure :) 2011-03-18 08:43:22+0000 <antoviaque> (09:37:28 AM) pranjal: now my primary focus now would be how to make UTC work 2011-03-18 08:43:22+0000 <antoviaque> (09:37:34 AM) pranjal: with FB framework 2011-03-18 08:43:32+0000 <antoviaque> (09:38:32 AM) pranjal: http://apps.facebook.com/cardstories-dev/?ref=bookmarks&count=0 2011-03-18 08:43:32+0000 <antoviaque> (09:38:36 AM) antoviaque: thx! 2011-03-18 08:43:32+0000 <antoviaque> (09:39:37 AM) antoviaque: You saw my 4 points about communication too, right? Are those ok? What should be set as the deadline for the completion? 2011-03-18 08:43:32+0000 <antoviaque> (09:40:40 AM) tartarugafeliz: OH MY DOOG! 2011-03-18 08:43:32+0000 <antoviaque> (09:39:57 AM) antoviaque: (5 points actually : ) ) 2011-03-18 08:43:33+0000 <antoviaque> (09:40:44 AM) tartarugafeliz: this is so cool! :D 2011-03-18 08:43:33+0000 <antoviaque> (09:41:24 AM) antoviaque: Yup, Card Stories is really taking shape, it's really cool to see : ) 2011-03-18 08:43:52+0000 <antoviaque> eve: topic Card Stories 2011-03-18 08:43:52+0000 <eve> Current Topic: Card Stories 2011-03-18 08:44:55+0000 <antoviaque> pranjal: yes, it's really the same thing - we just switched to this tool/forum (buddypress) to make it easier for people who aren't used to mailing-list (and get buried under a huge pile of 535243 emails ;p ) 2011-03-18 08:45:44+0000 <pranjal> :) ok cool so basically rather than email I'll have to post updates here...I am okay with the points on communication 2011-03-18 08:45:58+0000 <antoviaque> cool, thanks 2011-03-18 08:46:35+0000 <antoviaque> For the others, to know what we're talking about: 2011-03-18 08:46:58+0000 <antoviaque> 1) Every day, an update of the progress is posted on http://farsides.com/blog/groups/card-stories/ and vWorker 2011-03-18 08:46:58+0000 <antoviaque> 2) Every day, changes to the code must be commited and pushed to the launchpad repository 2011-03-18 08:46:58+0000 <antoviaque> 3) Every day, the daily report and code changes must show progress toward completion 2011-03-18 08:46:58+0000 <antoviaque> 4) We set a deadline 2011-03-18 08:46:58+0000 <antoviaque> 5) Participation to the weekly meeting, every Friday at 9:30am Paris time on http://farsides.com/chat/ 2011-03-18 08:47:00+0000 <pranjal> but for deadline.. I am not really sure.. basically please do take a look at the application when you have time.. since there are a few loose ends as of now in the application and some new screens will need to be designed etc... so when I give a date do I have to account for that as well 2011-03-18 08:47:50+0000 <antoviaque> ok - then could we proceed with weekly milestones then? 2011-03-18 08:48:02+0000 <pranjal> ya that would be better 2011-03-18 08:48:06+0000 <antoviaque> ok 2011-03-18 08:48:26+0000 <antoviaque> what would you see for the week to come? (until next friday meeting basically) 2011-03-18 08:49:02+0000 <antoviaque> And yep I'll have a more thorough look at the application and answer you 2011-03-18 08:49:37+0000 <pranjal> so for this week my primary focus now would be how to make UTC work as thats one piece thats holding up the progress... once I have that sorted I can actually give you a realistic dead line and along side I shall work on OWA 2011-03-18 08:50:33+0000 <antoviaque> sounds good to me, it's a big chunk of work yep 2011-03-18 08:50:55+0000 <antoviaque> ok, so I'm putting those in the meeting minutes: 2011-03-18 08:51:23+0000 <antoviaque> eve: agreed Pranjal: every day, an update of the progress is posted on http://farsides.com/blog/groups/card-stories/ and vWorker 2011-03-18 08:51:23+0000 <eve> antoviaque: I don't know who agreed Pranjal: every day, an update of the progress is 2011-03-18 08:51:25+0000 <pranjal> actually once it starts working with FB framework then there would not be too much work as Pramendra had written some UTCs 2011-03-18 08:51:48+0000 <antoviaque> eve: accepted Pranjal: every day, an update of the progress is posted on http://farsides.com/blog/groups/card-stories/ and vWorker 2011-03-18 08:51:48+0000 <eve> antoviaque: I don't know who accepted Pranjal: every day, an update of the progress is 2011-03-18 08:51:52+0000 <antoviaque> grumbl 2011-03-18 08:52:05+0000 <antoviaque> eve how do i use meetings 2011-03-18 08:52:05+0000 <eve> antoviaque: Take minutes of an IRC Meeting. You can use it like this: 2011-03-18 08:52:40+0000 <antoviaque> eve: agreed Pranjal: every day, an update of the progress is posted on buddypress and vWorker 2011-03-18 08:52:40+0000 <eve> antoviaque: I don't know who agreed Pranjal: every day, an update of the progress is 2011-03-18 08:52:48+0000 <antoviaque> gumbpf, eve is broken 2011-03-18 08:53:03+0000 <antoviaque> eve: accepted ok 2011-03-18 08:53:03+0000 <eve> Accepted: ok 2011-03-18 08:53:20+0000 <antoviaque> eve: accepted Pranjal - every day, an update of the progress is posted on buddypress and vWorker 2011-03-18 08:53:20+0000 <eve> antoviaque: I don't know who accepted Pranjal - every day, an update of the progress is 2011-03-18 08:53:36+0000 <antoviaque> eve: accepted Card Stories - every day, an update of the progress is posted on buddypress and vworker 2011-03-18 08:53:36+0000 <eve> antoviaque: I don't know who accepted Card Stories - every day, an update of the progress is 2011-03-18 08:53:43+0000 <antoviaque> ok, whatever, sorry about that 2011-03-18 08:54:07+0000 <pranjal> ok np 2011-03-18 08:54:35+0000 <pranjal> though I do not understand whats going on :) 2011-03-18 08:54:36+0000 <antoviaque> ok, I'll put it directly in the minutes 2011-03-18 08:54:58+0000 <antoviaque> eve is a bot, she records the meeting minutes, but has apparently a bug on the sentence here ;p 2011-03-18 08:55:12+0000 <antoviaque> ok, so all good for card stories 2011-03-18 08:55:15+0000 <pranjal> ah..ok got it... 2011-03-18 08:55:35+0000 <antoviaque> smitha_k: Maybe you want to talk a bit about the status of the trip to Brazil? 2011-03-18 08:55:56+0000 <smitha_k> yeah 2011-03-18 08:56:20+0000 <smitha_k> Right now we have the flight info ready to book 2011-03-18 08:56:36+0000 <smitha_k> Accommodation details are also ready, but yet to decide 2011-03-18 08:57:06+0000 <smitha_k> Discussion is going on with the people whom Xavier and Deborah will be meeting during the trip 2011-03-18 08:57:45+0000 <smitha_k> Trip agenda will be finalized once everything is confirmed 2011-03-18 08:57:54+0000 <antoviaque> ok 2011-03-18 08:58:40+0000 <antoviaque> yep we need to discuss payment, I'll post the NDA you sent me on the buddypress for discussion with David 2011-03-18 08:58:51+0000 <smitha_k> sure 2011-03-18 08:58:54+0000 <antoviaque> I'll have a look at the accomodation 2011-03-18 08:59:00+0000 <smitha_k> fine 2011-03-18 08:59:21+0000 <antoviaque> About the meetings, would you mind keeping a page up to date with who has confirmed what and what is still missing? 2011-03-18 08:59:41+0000 <smitha_k> yes 2011-03-18 08:59:56+0000 <antoviaque> are you familiar with wikis? 2011-03-18 09:00:26+0000 <smitha_k> not exactly, but will get familiarized soon 2011-03-18 09:00:56+0000 <antoviaque> ok - I'm creating a page on the wiki, let me give you the url 2011-03-18 09:01:44+0000 <antoviaque> http://farsides.com/wiki/Brazil_trip_-_April_2010 2011-03-18 09:02:00+0000 <antoviaque> You can click on edit, you'll see it's fairly easy 2011-03-18 09:02:05+0000 <antoviaque> so thanks! 2011-03-18 09:02:08+0000 <smitha_k> ok 2011-03-18 09:02:17+0000 <antoviaque> smitha_k: anything that you need? 2011-03-18 09:02:33+0000 <antoviaque> eve: topic Brazil trip 2011-03-18 09:02:33+0000 <eve> Current Topic: Brazil trip 2011-03-18 09:02:56+0000 <smitha_k> no 2011-03-18 09:03:48+0000 <antoviaque> eve: accepted Smitha: update page with status of meeting arrangements - rest of details awaiting feedback from Xavier 2011-03-18 09:03:48+0000 <eve> Accepted: Smitha: update page with status of meeting arrangements - rest of details awaiting feedback from Xavier 2011-03-18 09:03:55+0000 <antoviaque> ok! thanks : ) 2011-03-18 09:04:06+0000 <antoviaque> vlad__: ready to discuss tasks? 2011-03-18 09:05:37+0000 <antoviaque> also we'll need to discuss start date : ) 2011-03-18 09:05:40+0000 <antoviaque> for full time 2011-03-18 09:06:03+0000 <vlad__> antoviaque: sure 2011-03-18 09:06:09+0000 <antoviaque> da: maybe you can give an update about this? 2011-03-18 09:06:21+0000 <antoviaque> vlad__: which ones would you like to do today? 2011-03-18 09:06:52+0000 <antoviaque> eve: topic Tasks for Vlad & full time 2011-03-18 09:06:52+0000 <eve> Current Topic: Tasks for Vlad & full time 2011-03-18 09:08:41+0000 <vlad__> well, there aren't many remaining tasks that are very clear in order for me to start wroking straight away on them 2011-03-18 09:09:17+0000 <antoviaque> even in bugs? 2011-03-18 09:09:54+0000 <vlad__> i focused on tasks, let me browse real quick the bugs 2011-03-18 09:09:54+0000 <da> regarding full time start ? Sure. Funds should be there at the end of the month as planned, unless last minute delay. Regarding the contract proposal, there is still some work bu we can target the same date, end of march. 2011-03-18 09:10:03+0000 <da> So to be on the safe side, we could plan for the start somewhere in the first half of april i guess. Vlad, on your side, what would be a good time to start ? 2011-03-18 09:10:07+0000 <antoviaque> vlad__: ok 2011-03-18 09:11:04+0000 <antoviaque> da: yup, I owe you feedback on the contract template, I started yesterday but I've still some work on it 2011-03-18 09:11:24+0000 <antoviaque> eve: accepted Xavier: Finish modifications of contract template 2011-03-18 09:11:24+0000 <eve> Accepted: Xavier: Finish modifications of contract template 2011-03-18 09:12:11+0000 <antoviaque> end of march still ok for you Vlad, if the pile of paperwork is finished as planned? 2011-03-18 09:12:48+0000 <vlad__> end of march is ok, beginning of april would be even better 2011-03-18 09:13:38+0000 <antoviaque> ok, then the thing is that I'll be in Brazil from the 4th to the 18th, so it may be a shaky beginning 2011-03-18 09:14:07+0000 <antoviaque> but david will be around so it should be ok 2011-03-18 09:15:34+0000 <antoviaque> So we target April 4th for the beginning, and david confirms if it's ok by the 28th maybe? 2011-03-18 09:15:51+0000 <vlad__> yes it should be good 2011-03-18 09:15:52+0000 <da> I'll keep you posted, absolutely 2011-03-18 09:16:41+0000 <antoviaque> eve: agreed: David: confirms switch to full time of Vlad by the 28th 2011-03-18 09:16:41+0000 <eve> antoviaque: Sorry... 2011-03-18 09:16:52+0000 <antoviaque> eve: agreed David: confirms switch to full time of Vlad by the 28th 2011-03-18 09:16:53+0000 <eve> Agreed: David: confirms switch to full time of Vlad by the 28th 2011-03-18 09:17:21+0000 <antoviaque> found any interesting bug? : ) 2011-03-18 09:19:00+0000 <antoviaque> Otherwise there is in the feedback: http://feedback.farsides.com/forums/90557-humanity-project/suggestions/1421981-remove-the-hack-notifications-or-replace-them-with?ref=title http://feedback.farsides.com/forums/90557-humanity-project/suggestions/1285173-at-the-end-of-the-introduction-mission-it-should-?ref=title http://feedback.farsides.com/forums/90557-humanity-project/suggestions/1426365-display-the-localized-version-of-goo 2011-03-18 09:19:10+0000 <vlad__> there are a couple of proxy related ones: 697695, 721191. Also this one 694082 2011-03-18 09:20:12+0000 <antoviaque> let me see 2011-03-18 09:20:44+0000 <vlad__> also there's the proxy testing part. 2011-03-18 09:20:53+0000 <vlad__> But hits could be a 2 day job 2011-03-18 09:21:19+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-03-18 09:22:03+0000 <antoviaque> Maybe we could keep that part for when you're full time, otherwise it will eat 2 weeks without any noticeable changes from the player pov 2011-03-18 09:22:18+0000 <vlad__> you're right 2011-03-18 09:22:50+0000 <antoviaque> The proxy bugs are fine for me, they are important - unless there is one of the items I've put from the feedback that interests you 2011-03-18 09:26:15+0000 <vlad__> i think we can do it this way. I'll taqke the 3 bugs mentioned + the signup option at the end of the introductory mission. btw the introductory mission is hardcoded right? there's no property in the mission class that specifies that this is the introductory one 2011-03-18 09:26:39+0000 <antoviaque> yep it's hard coded 2011-03-18 09:27:10+0000 <antoviaque> if you take on the signup one, a good way would be to add it as a hook available for mission scripters 2011-03-18 09:27:25+0000 <vlad__> yup, i was thinking about that 2011-03-18 09:27:37+0000 <antoviaque> perfect 2011-03-18 09:27:56+0000 <antoviaque> probably an issue will be to handle the case where the player is already signed up 2011-03-18 09:28:26+0000 <antoviaque> but I let you figure out what's the best way to handle those things, you usually come up with good solutions : ) 2011-03-18 09:28:57+0000 <vlad__> :) thanks 2011-03-18 09:29:16+0000 <antoviaque> eve: accepted Vlad: Bug 697695, 721191 and 694082 + the signup option at the end of the introductory mission 2011-03-18 09:29:16+0000 <eve> Accepted: Vlad: Bug 697695, 721191 and 694082 + the signup option at the end of the introductory mission 2011-03-18 09:29:22+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-03-18 09:29:44+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: what about the website design? :D 2011-03-18 09:29:50+0000 <antoviaque> eve: topic Website design 2011-03-18 09:29:50+0000 <eve> Current Topic: Website design 2011-03-18 09:29:53+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'll finish today 2011-03-18 09:30:06+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I replied on the group page yesterday 2011-03-18 09:30:15+0000 <antoviaque> ah, didn't see yet - thanks! 2011-03-18 09:30:21+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :) sorry for the delay 2011-03-18 09:30:32+0000 <antoviaque> that's fine 2011-03-18 09:31:37+0000 <antoviaque> the only thing that I regret is that it was a bit missing communication - delays happen, but then it's better to discuss it upfront 2011-03-18 09:32:13+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes, its just that there was some changes that had to be done 2011-03-18 09:32:19+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and I discussed this with david 2 days ago 2011-03-18 09:32:27+0000 <tartarugafeliz> but yes. sorry. 2011-03-18 09:32:31+0000 <antoviaque> np 2011-03-18 09:32:52+0000 <antoviaque> ok, so design finished today, perfect 2011-03-18 09:33:19+0000 <antoviaque> you will take care of following the integration, too? 2011-03-18 09:33:54+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes, I can do that 2011-03-18 09:34:27+0000 <tartarugafeliz> today Fernanda is going to send an email with the quote to do this btw 2011-03-18 09:34:58+0000 <antoviaque> cool - thanks so much for finding someone to do this, would have been stuck otherwise : ) 2011-03-18 09:35:16+0000 <tartarugafeliz> np :) 2011-03-18 09:35:30+0000 <antoviaque> And I think it's good that you are handling this directly, it will reduce the intermediation : ) 2011-03-18 09:35:35+0000 <antoviaque> ok so: 2011-03-18 09:36:12+0000 <antoviaque> eve: Deborah: Finish the design & changes today and post the quote for integration on the buddypress 2011-03-18 09:36:12+0000 <eve> antoviaque: *blink* 2011-03-18 09:36:21+0000 <antoviaque> eve: accepted Deborah: Finish the design & changes today and post the quote for integration on the buddypress 2011-03-18 09:36:21+0000 <eve> Accepted: Deborah: Finish the design & changes today and post the quote for integration on the buddypress 2011-03-18 09:36:27+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes it will be easier to do this myself as I know better the details 2011-03-18 09:36:37+0000 <antoviaque> yep, exactly 2011-03-18 09:37:26+0000 <antoviaque> Btw how do you see things for today? I didn't follow if you spent the 4 days for the design and if today adds a 5th? 2011-03-18 09:37:55+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: 2011-03-18 09:38:13+0000 <tartarugafeliz> it adds but its my fault, so don't worry 2011-03-18 09:40:18+0000 <antoviaque> ok, so today you finish the 4 days task and it doesn't add a new one, if I understand correctly, right? 2011-03-18 09:40:48+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeap 2011-03-18 09:40:53+0000 <antoviaque> ok, thanks! 2011-03-18 09:41:12+0000 <antoviaque> so I think we're done : ) 2011-03-18 09:41:23+0000 <antoviaque> All good everyone? 2011-03-18 09:41:30+0000 <pranjal> cool.. yep 2011-03-18 09:41:46+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes! :D 2011-03-18 09:41:47+0000 <vlad__> yup, let's go to work 2011-03-18 09:41:51+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahah 2011-03-18 09:41:52+0000 <antoviaque> yep :D 2011-03-18 09:42:06+0000 <antoviaque> sorry that this meeting was actually more like individual discussions 2011-03-18 09:42:30+0000 <antoviaque> Is it interesting under this format, or do you feel some of the topic should be handled differently/elsewhere? 2011-03-18 09:43:37+0000 <pranjal> Well I am here first time.. so I am not too sure if its always like this... but unless there is overlap in work area I guess mostly it will be like individual discusions? 2011-03-18 09:44:20+0000 <antoviaque> it depends - sometimes it's about topics that affect the whole project, like defining the priorities for the game, or switching from the mailing-list to buddypress 2011-03-18 09:45:09+0000 <antoviaque> on the other side the chat allow to do things at the same time, so it's less of a pain than a "real" meeting where you have to sit and do nothing else : ) 2011-03-18 09:45:23+0000 <antoviaque> but I'd like to avoid falling into the meeting trap so I'm asking 2011-03-18 09:45:44+0000 <antoviaque> vlad__: tartarugafeliz: 2011-03-18 09:46:01+0000 <tartarugafeliz> for me its good 2011-03-18 09:46:08+0000 <antoviaque> eve: topic Meeting format 2011-03-18 09:46:08+0000 <eve> Current Topic: Meeting format 2011-03-18 09:46:18+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I get to see whats going on and do my tasks while I'm on the meeting 2011-03-18 09:46:34+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and I get to solve issues and questions about my work in a more effective way 2011-03-18 09:46:51+0000 <antoviaque> ok good 2011-03-18 09:48:12+0000 <antoviaque> smitha_k: how is it for you this meeting? do you get used to our strange project? :D 2011-03-18 09:54:06+0000 <antoviaque> vlad__: smitha_k: hope you're hearing the sound notifications : ) 2011-03-18 09:54:40+0000 <vlad__> sorry, missed them 2011-03-18 09:54:44+0000 <antoviaque> ;p 2011-03-18 09:56:08+0000 <vlad__> for me this is a good of communication 2011-03-18 09:57:20+0000 <smitha_k> yes 2011-03-18 09:58:37+0000 <smitha_k> as I am attending this kind of meeting for the first time, I am finding it something new 2011-03-18 09:59:25+0000 <antoviaque> I can imagine : ) 2011-03-18 09:59:48+0000 <antoviaque> And what about the project? Are you familiar with it now? 2011-03-18 10:00:03+0000 <antoviaque> eve: end meeting 2011-03-18 10:00:05+0000 <eve> Meeting Ended 2011-03-18 10:00:05+0000 <eve> Minutes available at http://paste.pocoo.org/show/355458 2011-03-18 10:03:49+0000 <antoviaque> smitha_k: still interested in your opinion there : ) 2011-03-18 10:03:59+0000 <antoviaque> for the others, good luck with work : ) 2011-03-18 10:04:59+0000 <smitha_k> Its a good way of communication 2011-03-18 10:05:33+0000 <antoviaque> (10:59:49 AM) antoviaque: And what about the project? Are you familiar with it now? 2011-03-18 10:05:34+0000 <smitha_k> also helps in updating the progress and discuss futher 2011-03-18 10:06:10+0000 <smitha_k> not exactly, once again I will go through the chat conversation and try to connect 2011-03-18 10:09:45+0000 smitha_k (smitha_k) is now online 2011-03-18 10:16:51+0000 <antoviaque> smitha_k: ok - if you have any question let me know 2011-03-18 10:18:13+0000 <smitha_k> sure 2011-03-18 10:18:29+0000 <smitha_k> how do i check the chat history? 2011-03-18 10:19:01+0000 <antoviaque> have a look at project management, I put the meeting minutes that include the chat history: http://farsides.com/blog/groups/project-management/ 2011-03-18 10:19:20+0000 <smitha_k> alright 2011-03-18 10:19:46+0000 <antoviaque> and btw, we're usually hanging out on this chat - so if you need any fast answer or get stuck by a problem, you can ask here 2011-03-18 10:20:20+0000 <smitha_k> sure 2011-03-18 10:24:13+0000 smitha_k (smitha_k) is now offline 2011-03-18 10:26:16+0000 <tempuramerino> Hi! 2011-03-18 10:28:12+0000 <tempuramerino> Sorry for not having been there at 9H30 but I had no choice 2011-03-18 10:28:37+0000 <antoviaque> no worries - I saw your message on the buddypress afterwards - you had warned before so it's ok : ) 2011-03-18 10:28:59+0000 <antoviaque> if you want to read the meeting minutes it's there: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/355458/ 2011-03-18 10:29:32+0000 <antoviaque> I also saw your update of your progress, thanks for that too 2011-03-18 10:30:17+0000 <antoviaque> I'll answer you there, but yes, you'll need to push your code to a new branch - this way I'll be able to review and merge to trunk 2011-03-18 10:30:52+0000 <tempuramerino> ok, classic good way of doing 2011-03-18 10:31:03+0000 <antoviaque> yup! 2011-03-18 10:31:16+0000 <tempuramerino> any idea about the load of firefox by the way ? 2011-03-18 10:31:36+0000 <antoviaque> with the added bonus of distributed version control - you can also merge other people's branches even before they reach trunk, if you want to ;p 2011-03-18 10:31:48+0000 <antoviaque> hmm, not sure 2011-03-18 10:31:59+0000 <tempuramerino> so you don't meet this problem 2011-03-18 10:32:06+0000 <antoviaque> the game was really slow in Firefox some time ago, but since the optims we didn't had the issue 2011-03-18 10:32:23+0000 <tempuramerino> ok, I'll figure out why so 2011-03-18 10:33:13+0000 <antoviaque> but some development extensions disable javascript engine optimized routines of Firefox, so that may be why 2011-03-18 10:33:37+0000 <antoviaque> Personally, even if I prefer Firefox as a user (and as a philosophy), I switched to Chromium for development 2011-03-18 10:33:48+0000 <antoviaque> It's much faster and the dev/debug tools are really good 2011-03-18 10:34:12+0000 <tempuramerino> I'll test that, thanks. 2011-03-18 10:34:26+0000 <antoviaque> yup, can help to narrow down the problem 2011-03-18 10:35:10+0000 <tempuramerino> yes dev is currently a pain, not because of the code (I'm getting used to it now), but the slowness, my god, is so vintage 2011-03-18 10:37:09+0000 <tempuramerino> well, I'll be able to push the code on thuesday. Any question ? I've to leave in one hour or so 2011-03-18 10:41:28+0000 <antoviaque> nope, it's all good 2011-03-18 10:41:33+0000 <antoviaque> thanks for coming! 2011-03-18 11:01:47+0000 <tempuramerino> ciao! 2011-03-18 12:23:06+0000 vlad__ (vlad__) is now online 2011-03-18 14:27:45+0000 Marius (Marius) is now online 2011-03-18 14:27:59+0000 <antoviaque> Hi Marius! 2011-03-18 14:28:25+0000 <Guest36367> Hi Xav 2011-03-18 14:28:52+0000 <Guest36367> my colleague Iulian will also join 2011-03-18 14:29:18+0000 iuliand (iuliand) is now online 2011-03-18 14:29:43+0000 <Guest36367> Are you available now, Xav? 2011-03-18 14:30:01+0000 <antoviaque> yup - just give me 5 minutes to finish an email, and I'm all yours 2011-03-18 14:30:18+0000 <Guest36367> ok 2011-03-18 14:38:09+0000 <antoviaque> ok, done : ) 2011-03-18 14:38:13+0000 <antoviaque> thanks for waiting 2011-03-18 14:38:22+0000 <antoviaque> How are you today? 2011-03-18 14:39:55+0000 <Guest36367> hard working, but ok 2011-03-18 14:39:58+0000 <Guest36367> how are you? 2011-03-18 14:40:27+0000 <iuliand> hello 2011-03-18 14:40:34+0000 <antoviaque> very well - a lot of work too : ) 2011-03-18 14:40:39+0000 <antoviaque> hi Julian : ) 2011-03-18 14:40:43+0000 <antoviaque> nice to meet you! 2011-03-18 14:40:45+0000 <iuliand> nice to meet you 2011-03-18 14:41:01+0000 <iuliand> so 2011-03-18 14:41:13+0000 <Guest36367> we wanted to clarify some aspects about those positions 2011-03-18 14:41:29+0000 <antoviaque> sure 2011-03-18 14:41:33+0000 <iuliand> exactly 2011-03-18 14:41:40+0000 <antoviaque> which parts? 2011-03-18 14:41:50+0000 <Guest36367> firstly which ones from those will apply to us 2011-03-18 14:42:29+0000 * antoviaque searches his emails to find the list 2011-03-18 14:42:39+0000 <Guest36367> my point is that having in mind 4 or 5 position is rather hard to focus 2011-03-18 14:42:51+0000 <antoviaque> I understand 2011-03-18 14:42:54+0000 <Guest36367> not that we cannot work for all, but you said that 2011-03-18 14:43:09+0000 <Guest36367> probably not all will fit for having romanians etc 2011-03-18 14:43:36+0000 <Guest36367> so my suggestion is to rather try to focus on 1 or 2 and see how it goes 2011-03-18 14:44:24+0000 <antoviaque> ah, my remark was not about not fit for romanians, but more that we focus on the person and its qualities rather than trying to ncessarily all the positions 2011-03-18 14:44:57+0000 <antoviaque> Which means that we would only fill a role if we are convinced that we found the right person - otherwise we will prefer to wait 2011-03-18 14:44:59+0000 <antoviaque> But I agree 2011-03-18 14:45:16+0000 <Guest36367> ok, I understand now 2011-03-18 14:45:55+0000 <iuliand> we think it would be better to start with the ones that seem to be more urgent 2011-03-18 14:46:17+0000 <antoviaque> Let's try to focus on one or two yep 2011-03-18 14:46:36+0000 <Guest36367> we have a "jd" for the Game developer 2011-03-18 14:46:44+0000 <antoviaque> So the one for which there is the most urgent need is development, quickly followed by game design 2011-03-18 14:47:23+0000 <iuliand> so it's developer and designer first 2011-03-18 14:47:30+0000 <Guest36367> fso basically what you need gor development is php/mysql 2011-03-18 14:47:53+0000 <antoviaque> game design, not graphic design : ) 2011-03-18 14:48:02+0000 <antoviaque> yep 2011-03-18 14:48:07+0000 <antoviaque> PHP/Mysql/Ajax 2011-03-18 14:48:09+0000 <iuliand> sure 2011-03-18 14:48:17+0000 <antoviaque> + OO programming 2011-03-18 14:48:21+0000 <Guest36367> LAMP and Ajax etc 2011-03-18 14:48:26+0000 <antoviaque> exactly 2011-03-18 14:48:52+0000 <Guest36367> how many yrs of experience, what kind of projects? 2011-03-18 14:49:20+0000 <antoviaque> More of a senior profile (at least 5-10 years would be good), high autonomy 2011-03-18 14:49:39+0000 <antoviaque> If they have worked on game projects it's the ideal, but that may not be easy to find 2011-03-18 14:49:55+0000 <Guest36367> will not be for a php, true 2011-03-18 14:49:55+0000 <antoviaque> And more actual developer experience than technical director and such 2011-03-18 14:50:26+0000 <Guest36367> ok, those position are fit for freelancers 2011-03-18 14:50:37+0000 <antoviaque> Ah, another thing: experience with free software development and unit tests 2011-03-18 14:50:49+0000 <Guest36367> right? 2011-03-18 14:50:56+0000 <antoviaque> definitely 2011-03-18 14:51:04+0000 <da> hi all, i jump in for one comment 2011-03-18 14:51:13+0000 <Guest36367> Hi David 2011-03-18 14:51:18+0000 <iuliand> hi 2011-03-18 14:51:26+0000 <antoviaque> (Ah, another thing: experience with free software development and unit tests => not mandatory but very good to have) 2011-03-18 14:51:56+0000 <da> it would be good if the programmer, even if no exp in video game project, has a taste for games and especially online games 2011-03-18 14:52:16+0000 <iuliand> sure 2011-03-18 14:52:17+0000 <da> else the gap can be tough 2011-03-18 14:52:20+0000 <antoviaque> And, but most of this is already in the JD, taste for community, user diven, able to get and interpret feedback 2011-03-18 14:52:24+0000 <iuliand> theay must love tye business 2011-03-18 14:52:27+0000 <da> yep 2011-03-18 14:52:41+0000 <iuliand> ok 2011-03-18 14:52:54+0000 <Guest36367> ok, if all goes well, how long do you estimate the period/projects? 2011-03-18 14:53:03+0000 <iuliand> the profile seems clear to me 2011-03-18 14:53:26+0000 <antoviaque> It's potentially recurring as long as the project exists : ) 2011-03-18 14:53:48+0000 <Guest36367> ok, I kind of know your plans for future 2011-03-18 14:53:56+0000 <antoviaque> :p 2011-03-18 14:53:57+0000 <Guest36367> but I was asking 2011-03-18 14:54:03+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-03-18 14:54:08+0000 <iuliand> once we sent you the cv how do you want to go on with the recruitment process? 2011-03-18 14:54:21+0000 <Guest36367> like, ok, can we say : "if all goes well you can be ensured about 1 year" etc? 2011-03-18 14:54:36+0000 <iuliand> how many interviews? tests? 2011-03-18 14:55:46+0000 <antoviaque> We have visibility for 6 months, and already secured some of the investment for the rest of the year 2011-03-18 14:55:59+0000 <Guest36367> ok, 6 mo 2011-03-18 14:56:44+0000 <antoviaque> well, for the interview process we'll probably be a bit atypical 2011-03-18 14:57:27+0000 <Guest36367> what do you mean by that? 2011-03-18 14:57:41+0000 <antoviaque> given the way we are structured, the best would be to have a small number of good candidates, and get them to join the community here 2011-03-18 14:58:09+0000 <Guest36367> ok, sounds interesting 2011-03-18 14:58:13+0000 <antoviaque> It's good for them to get a feel of what they would be facing, and it would allow for more informal discussions than an interview per se 2011-03-18 14:58:34+0000 <Guest36367> got your point 2011-03-18 14:58:59+0000 <Guest36367> is there any budget from your side, say like a monthly payment etc? 2011-03-18 14:59:13+0000 <antoviaque> Btw something you may want to mention: it doesn't have to be full time - with frelancer we could also work 1-2-3 days/week for example 2011-03-18 14:59:15+0000 <iuliand> seems like a good plan, indeed atypical but i guess it will ensure you that you take the ones that you are compatible with 2011-03-18 14:59:47+0000 <antoviaque> Really depends on the profile, it's hard to say before talking to candidates first 2011-03-18 15:00:02+0000 <antoviaque> What about your fees btw? : ) 2011-03-18 15:00:16+0000 <Guest36367> we have 2 options in doing that 2011-03-18 15:00:30+0000 <Guest36367> clasical is 1 monthly salary 2011-03-18 15:01:02+0000 <Guest36367> the 2nd is for us to have a share/percentage from that budget 2011-03-18 15:01:47+0000 <Guest36367> for example you are willing to offer 1000 euros/month, we search for freelancers ready to take it at 900 e (just an example) 2011-03-18 15:02:14+0000 <antoviaque> I see 2011-03-18 15:02:40+0000 <antoviaque> probably given the way we work, it would be hard to estimate a global budget, since length and nb of days/week can vary 2011-03-18 15:02:48+0000 <antoviaque> So probably option 1 I guess here 2011-03-18 15:03:12+0000 <Guest36367> option 1 is also prefferable for us, is the most commoun version for recruitment 2011-03-18 15:03:27+0000 <antoviaque> ok then - good for me! 2011-03-18 15:04:00+0000 <Guest36367> ok, so I would suggest the following 2011-03-18 15:04:36+0000 <Guest36367> we can start working for the game developer position, try to find the best 3 candidates who will join the comunity 2011-03-18 15:05:29+0000 <Guest36367> then you can chose the best option in a period of time 2011-03-18 15:05:40+0000 <antoviaque> sounds perfect 2011-03-18 15:05:52+0000 <Guest36367> also, is that ok to send you a draft contract of ours? 2011-03-18 15:06:01+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-03-18 15:06:32+0000 <iuliand> also, if any other questions may arise we will e-mail them to you 2011-03-18 15:06:34+0000 <iuliand> ok? 2011-03-18 15:06:41+0000 <antoviaque> Of course, don't hesitate 2011-03-18 15:06:51+0000 <Guest36367> great 2011-03-18 15:07:00+0000 <antoviaque> And if there is anything urgent don't hesitate to say hi here, will always be a pleasure : ) 2011-03-18 15:07:08+0000 <iuliand> sure 2011-03-18 15:07:24+0000 <Guest36367> that's very good to know, I didn't believe you are always here :) 2011-03-18 15:07:55+0000 <antoviaque> : ) 2011-03-18 15:08:13+0000 <antoviaque> not always always, but usually when I'm in front of my computer I am 2011-03-18 15:08:28+0000 <iuliand> than it's all set 2011-03-18 15:08:38+0000 <Guest36367> I kno, just jokeing, but seriosly is good that we cam communicate faster 2011-03-18 15:08:45+0000 <iuliand> we will sedn the draft and start searching for candidates 2011-03-18 15:08:47+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-03-18 15:08:50+0000 <antoviaque> thanks 2011-03-18 15:09:22+0000 <Guest36367> have a nice week-end, then 2011-03-18 15:09:29+0000 <Guest36367> thanks for clarifications 2011-03-18 15:09:38+0000 <iuliand> have a nice week-end 2011-03-18 15:09:45+0000 <antoviaque> thanks to both of you! 2011-03-18 15:09:50+0000 <antoviaque> have a great week-end too! 2011-03-18 15:52:37+0000 da (da) is now online _______________________________________________ Farsides mailing list - [email protected] Wiki: http://farsides.com/ List: http://farsides.com/ml/ Forum: http://farsides.com/forum/ Ideas: http://farsides.com/ideas/ Chat: http://farsides.com/chat/
