Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2011-04-01.
2011-04-01 06:41:52+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-04-01 07:30:20+0000 Pranjal (Pranjal) is now online 2011-04-01 07:31:29+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-04-01 07:34:37+0000 <antoviaque> hi! 2011-04-01 07:34:55+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hello 2011-04-01 07:35:19+0000 <Pranjal> hi guys 2011-04-01 07:36:48+0000 <antoviaque> How are you today? :) 2011-04-01 07:37:47+0000 da (da) is now online 2011-04-01 07:38:45+0000 <antoviaque> ok let's get started : ) 2011-04-01 07:38:50+0000 <antoviaque> eve: start meeting 2011-04-01 07:38:50+0000 * eve gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles 2011-04-01 07:39:06+0000 <antoviaque> eve: topic Card Stories 2011-04-01 07:39:06+0000 <eve> Current Topic: Card Stories 2011-04-01 07:39:15+0000 <antoviaque> Pranjal: so how is it going? : ) 2011-04-01 07:40:06+0000 <Pranjal> I am almost done with the UTCs, should be able to finish off either end of the day today or by Monday. 2011-04-01 07:40:18+0000 <antoviaque> ok cool 2011-04-01 07:40:27+0000 <antoviaque> Did you see my first set of feedback? 2011-04-01 07:40:36+0000 <antoviaque> http://farsides.com/blog/groups/card-stories/ 2011-04-01 07:41:08+0000 <Pranjal> nope... I am just going through it 2011-04-01 07:41:21+0000 <antoviaque> ok 2011-04-01 07:41:40+0000 mati_ (mati_) is now online 2011-04-01 07:41:44+0000 <antoviaque> Let me know today if you have any question, as I'll be travelling again over the next two weeks 2011-04-01 07:41:46+0000 <antoviaque> hi mati_! 2011-04-01 07:41:51+0000 <mati_> hello 2011-04-01 07:42:05+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'll send my design remarks today :) 2011-04-01 07:42:13+0000 <antoviaque> ah kewl :D 2011-04-01 07:42:16+0000 <antoviaque> thanks! 2011-04-01 07:42:52+0000 <antoviaque> Pranjal: tartarugafeliz/Deborah designed the game and the cards, so she will be your referent on the design integration and polish 2011-04-01 07:43:06+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :) 2011-04-01 07:43:28+0000 <antoviaque> eve: agreed Pranjal: Looking at feedback from Xavier and post questions today if any 2011-04-01 07:43:28+0000 <eve> Agreed: Pranjal: Looking at feedback from Xavier and post questions today if any 2011-04-01 07:43:41+0000 <Pranjal> ok.. most of the comments seem to be fine.. but the document seems to be missing details on leaderboard functionality.. also I will have to check to see how I can make comments specific to games.. 2011-04-01 07:43:56+0000 <antoviaque> eve: agreed Deborah: Posting feedback about Card Stories design integration today 2011-04-01 07:43:56+0000 <eve> Agreed: Deborah: Posting feedback about Card Stories design integration today 2011-04-01 07:44:16+0000 <Pranjal> but most of the other comments seem okay and will go ahead and implement these and let you know on the forum 2011-04-01 07:44:22+0000 <antoviaque> Pranjal: yes, we can chat about the leaderboard after the meeting if you want - it's not very complicated 2011-04-01 07:44:29+0000 <antoviaque> ok, thanks! 2011-04-01 07:45:20+0000 <antoviaque> Btw what about http://farsides.com/blog/activity/p/210/ ? 2011-04-01 07:46:45+0000 <Pranjal> well.. I have been trying to check in stuff when its in coherent state... also I know I have to post messages everyday but since there is no sizable chunk that I could report that's why I did not that... 2011-04-01 07:47:46+0000 <antoviaque> The message doesn't need to be big - even just "increased coverage from 50 to 55% today" is fine : ) 2011-04-01 07:48:27+0000 <Pranjal> ah okay... I'll do that... just did not want to spam with messages without much information that's why did not do it 2011-04-01 07:48:52+0000 <antoviaque> Don't worry about that, it's fine : ) 2011-04-01 07:49:06+0000 <Pranjal> thanks :) 2011-04-01 07:49:38+0000 <antoviaque> And the daily commit is actually there to make sure there is something consistent done every day - in the worse case you can commit with a warning "not ready for merge", this way I'll know what to expect 2011-04-01 07:50:09+0000 <Pranjal> okay 2011-04-01 07:50:13+0000 <antoviaque> thanks : ) 2011-04-01 07:50:28+0000 <antoviaque> So what would be the goal for next week? 2011-04-01 07:51:33+0000 <Pranjal> finish the UTC by Monday and complete the list as per your comments on forum. I assume somethings will be added by Deborah. Will keep a watch on that and finish that ASAP. 2011-04-01 07:51:42+0000 <antoviaque> ok, perfect! 2011-04-01 07:51:43+0000 <Pranjal> once all that is stablized I can move to windmill 2011-04-01 07:52:24+0000 <antoviaque> eve: agreed Pranjal: finish the UTC by Monday and complete the list as per your comments on forum by Fridary. Will keep a watch on comments from Deborah and finish that ASAP 2011-04-01 07:52:24+0000 <eve> Agreed: Pranjal: finish the UTC by Monday and complete the list as per your comments on forum by Fridary. Will keep a watch on comments from Deborah and finish that ASAP 2011-04-01 07:52:40+0000 <antoviaque> Something else you'd like to discuss about Card Stories? 2011-04-01 07:52:57+0000 <Pranjal> nothing as such from my side 2011-04-01 07:53:02+0000 <antoviaque> oki! 2011-04-01 07:53:12+0000 <antoviaque> eve: topic HPO art direction 2011-04-01 07:53:12+0000 <eve> Current Topic: HPO art direction 2011-04-01 07:53:33+0000 <antoviaque> mati_: tartarugafeliz: maybe you want to say a word about your work last friday? 2011-04-01 07:54:22+0000 <mati_> well we did the art direction of the interface .. :) 2011-04-01 07:54:24+0000 <tartarugafeliz> well, as I said on the group we worked on the organization of the game and then we made just one screen for the feeling of the game 2011-04-01 07:54:36+0000 <antoviaque> : ) 2011-04-01 07:54:48+0000 <tartarugafeliz> there's also the video from 24 that shows well what kind of interface we're looking for 2011-04-01 07:54:55+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and the direction we want to take 2011-04-01 07:55:25+0000 <antoviaque> Yup, replied to that - for me the direction seem good. :) 2011-04-01 07:55:48+0000 <antoviaque> It's still something to refine to really see how it would work exactly, but I like the path 2011-04-01 07:55:50+0000 <tartarugafeliz> obviously that when we do the final version it will be much more polished and professional! 2011-04-01 07:55:59+0000 <tartarugafeliz> right now its just concept :) 2011-04-01 07:56:03+0000 <antoviaque> yup! 2011-04-01 07:56:20+0000 <tartarugafeliz> so, what's the next step? 2011-04-01 07:56:32+0000 <tartarugafeliz> should we wait to see more comments? can we continue with our organization? 2011-04-01 07:56:33+0000 <antoviaque> I would need to have a closer look at the mockups to give feedback on the interface elements themselves 2011-04-01 07:56:39+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok 2011-04-01 07:56:41+0000 <mati_> so, i think we need the rest of the team to approve the concept to go further 2011-04-01 07:56:46+0000 <tartarugafeliz> true 2011-04-01 07:56:54+0000 <antoviaque> da you'll want to comment too? On the concept and the interace? 2011-04-01 07:57:29+0000 <da> absolutely. I would like to do that in the coming days 2011-04-01 07:57:36+0000 <tartarugafeliz> cool! 2011-04-01 07:57:55+0000 <antoviaque> (Btw Vlad is absent and can't make comments due to health issues - I'll ask him to post an update about that) 2011-04-01 07:58:35+0000 <antoviaque> So yep, agreed, the next step is to comment & approve (or not) the concept 2011-04-01 07:58:59+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and where is louic? 2011-04-01 07:59:00+0000 <mati_> on standby for the moment until everyone gives his feedback, then, ok? 2011-04-01 07:59:06+0000 <antoviaque> eve: agreed David: Post comments about the concept and the interace of HPO art direction 2011-04-01 07:59:06+0000 <eve> Agreed: David: Post comments about the concept and the interace of HPO art direction 2011-04-01 07:59:16+0000 <antoviaque> mati_: yep 2011-04-01 07:59:38+0000 <antoviaque> good question, I don't know where is louic ;p 2011-04-01 08:00:00+0000 <da> I'll try to grab one or two AD i know to give feedback too, could be interesting 2011-04-01 08:00:05+0000 <antoviaque> But I think I remember that he said he would prepare stuff for when we come back - not sure though 2011-04-01 08:00:26+0000 <antoviaque> I don't see him online at all on IRC 2011-04-01 08:00:30+0000 <da> like Olivier that you met in Montreal tartarugafeliz 2011-04-01 08:00:58+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ahh I like this idea david 2011-04-01 08:01:18+0000 <antoviaque> good :) 2011-04-01 08:01:23+0000 <tartarugafeliz> it would be amazing to get feedbacks from DA! thanks! 2011-04-01 08:01:29+0000 <tartarugafeliz> AD 2011-04-01 08:01:32+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahaha 2011-04-01 08:01:37+0000 <da> :) 2011-04-01 08:02:19+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: mati_: anything else that would be helpful for you? 2011-04-01 08:02:38+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I have a question, but its not related to the interface 2011-04-01 08:02:45+0000 <antoviaque> sure 2011-04-01 08:02:54+0000 <tartarugafeliz> its related to the way I'm working 2011-04-01 08:03:30+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I think its not working very well for me the "daily" way⦠is it possible to work based on deliverables instead? 2011-04-01 08:03:36+0000 <mati_> hmm, no, just the feedback, would be great to decide quickly which direction we lock to.. haha my english is crap today 2011-04-01 08:04:08+0000 <antoviaque> mati_: yep, agreed - would be nice to have something ready quickly 2011-04-01 08:04:26+0000 <antoviaque> especially because it would be a lot of work, on the design, UI and dev sides 2011-04-01 08:04:40+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes its true 2011-04-01 08:04:46+0000 <tartarugafeliz> but at the same time 2011-04-01 08:04:54+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I don't like to rush on this kind of decisions 2011-04-01 08:05:04+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: It's already based on deliverables - you mean removing the concept of fitting everything in a day right? 2011-04-01 08:05:06+0000 <tartarugafeliz> don't know if its a good idea to do it quickly 2011-04-01 08:05:23+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I think we reeaaallly need to take our times here to make a good decision 2011-04-01 08:05:35+0000 <antoviaque> yup, we need to get good feedback first, agreed : ) 2011-04-01 08:05:37+0000 <tartarugafeliz> antoviaque: yes, that's it 2011-04-01 08:05:48+0000 <mati_> i meant :decide quickly the concept art direction 2011-04-01 08:05:54+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes me too 2011-04-01 08:06:01+0000 <antoviaque> But on the other side there is nothing better to test a concept than to implement a first version of it to see what it gives ;p 2011-04-01 08:06:24+0000 <antoviaque> eve: topic Daily deliverables 2011-04-01 08:06:24+0000 <eve> Current Topic: Daily deliverables 2011-04-01 08:06:35+0000 <tartarugafeliz> we need to think about this new organization we proposed, to see if its possible at all⦠there's a lot of details 2011-04-01 08:06:51+0000 <antoviaque> Well for that it's open - we saw with Vlad that it was working better, but if it's not working for you we can change 2011-04-01 08:06:52+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ahmmm I disagree on this case 2011-04-01 08:07:13+0000 <tartarugafeliz> because this is going to take A LOT of work and time to finish 2011-04-01 08:07:32+0000 <tartarugafeliz> if we do all of this just to realize that actually is not that good, its⦠not good right? 2011-04-01 08:07:49+0000 <antoviaque> It isn't, no 2011-04-01 08:08:27+0000 <mati_> i think once the concept is chosen, the developpers and designers should have a sit and talk about what is makeable or not 2011-04-01 08:08:36+0000 <antoviaque> But it's even worse if we have piled up a lot of discussions and refinements, and still figure out when we do it that it doesn't work 2011-04-01 08:08:37+0000 <tartarugafeliz> so just to finish the conversation about working based only on deliverables⦠(cause we have 2 conversations at once): ok, how can we do this? 2011-04-01 08:08:44+0000 <antoviaque> ;p 2011-04-01 08:09:00+0000 <da> for this AD thing, a way to test without implementing, once we agree on concept, could also be a quick video of interface in action 2011-04-01 08:09:23+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ahh its true da 2011-04-01 08:09:38+0000 <antoviaque> Well, the obvious option would be to revert to what we used to do with Vlad before, ie a weekly deliverable (of approx. 1 day work in your case) 2011-04-01 08:09:39+0000 <tartarugafeliz> with a video we can test if it works 2011-04-01 08:09:55+0000 <antoviaque> da: +1 2011-04-01 08:09:56+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok! it works for me 2011-04-01 08:10:21+0000 <da> so 1) feedback & validation of concept and then 2) video and 3) implementation ? 2011-04-01 08:10:31+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes! 2011-04-01 08:10:38+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: okidok then. We would still use the weekly meeting to decide, and then you would have the whole week to work on it 2011-04-01 08:10:54+0000 <tartarugafeliz> cool, thank you so much! :) 2011-04-01 08:11:09+0000 <antoviaque> eve: agreed Process for art direction: 1) feedback & validation of concept and then 2) video and 3) implementation 2011-04-01 08:11:09+0000 <eve> Agreed: Process for art direction: 1) feedback & validation of concept and then 2) video and 3) implementation 2011-04-01 08:11:29+0000 <antoviaque> mati_: what about you? How do you work best? 2011-04-01 08:11:48+0000 <mati_> i think it's good like this. 2011-04-01 08:11:57+0000 <antoviaque> with the weekly deliverable? 2011-04-01 08:13:18+0000 <mati_> yea sure, much better 2011-04-01 08:13:23+0000 <antoviaque> ok! 2011-04-01 08:14:50+0000 <mati_> anyway, it's deborah who decides, she 's the boss :) 2011-04-01 08:14:53+0000 <antoviaque> eve: agreed Deborah revert to a weekly deliverable process: approx. 1 day work, on tasks decided during the weekly meeting, to produce before the next meeting 2011-04-01 08:14:53+0000 <eve> Agreed: Deborah revert to a weekly deliverable process: approx. 1 day work, on tasks decided during the weekly meeting, to produce before the next meeting 2011-04-01 08:15:16+0000 <antoviaque> eve: Matti: same thing when he spends one day on Farsides 2011-04-01 08:15:16+0000 <eve> antoviaque: Huh? 2011-04-01 08:15:24+0000 <antoviaque> eve: agreed Matti: same thing when he spends one day on Farsides 2011-04-01 08:15:24+0000 <eve> Agreed: Matti: same thing when he spends one day on Farsides 2011-04-01 08:15:53+0000 <antoviaque> Btw mati_ how was it to work for Farsides? Any comments/complaints/compliments? :D 2011-04-01 08:17:02+0000 <mati_> no comments, was great, deborah rocks! 2011-04-01 08:17:24+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :D goood, exactly how we agreed, keep like this mati. 2011-04-01 08:17:27+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahahahahah :P 2011-04-01 08:17:28+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahahah 2011-04-01 08:18:05+0000 <antoviaque> Good then - don't hesitate if you see something you don't like or need to change something in the way we work 2011-04-01 08:18:28+0000 <antoviaque> Would you like to work other days then? 2011-04-01 08:18:33+0000 <mati_> ok, dont worry i'll let you know if i dont like something 2011-04-01 08:18:44+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahaha for sure he will 2011-04-01 08:18:49+0000 <antoviaque> I'm sure of that ;p 2011-04-01 08:19:11+0000 <mati_> yep sure. 2011-04-01 08:19:16+0000 <antoviaque> cool! 2011-04-01 08:20:23+0000 <antoviaque> For continuing the work on the art direction we'll need to wait for David & AD feedback - so I guess the next iteration for you will be when you come back from your trip? 2011-04-01 08:20:48+0000 <antoviaque> Unless you have something specific in mind, tartarugafeliz / mati_? 2011-04-01 08:21:02+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes 2011-04-01 08:21:16+0000 <tartarugafeliz> when mati comes back we continue 2011-04-01 08:21:21+0000 <mati_> nothing in mind for me. 2011-04-01 08:21:24+0000 <antoviaque> ok 2011-04-01 08:21:51+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: what about you this week? 2011-04-01 08:22:08+0000 <tartarugafeliz> this week I'll be in Brazil so I won't be able to work for Farsides 2011-04-01 08:22:29+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'll come back on the 18th, and then we can talk about it again 2011-04-01 08:22:36+0000 <antoviaque> ok 2011-04-01 08:23:00+0000 <antoviaque> since it will be our last meeting before that week, do you want to decide on something now? 2011-04-01 08:23:56+0000 <antoviaque> Btw mati_, what was your daily rate again? I'm not sure if we confirmed this 2011-04-01 08:24:39+0000 <mati_> i dunno. you decide 2011-04-01 08:24:45+0000 <antoviaque> 1 euro? :D 2011-04-01 08:24:47+0000 <da> 3⬠2011-04-01 08:25:03+0000 <antoviaque> ok 2 euros then, deal 2011-04-01 08:25:26+0000 <mati_> Oo.. ok i resign 2011-04-01 08:25:30+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahah 2011-04-01 08:25:36+0000 <da> cool we now can recruit you for 20 years with this amount 2011-04-01 08:25:39+0000 <antoviaque> no seriously, what would be good for you? 2011-04-01 08:25:49+0000 <antoviaque> It's better if the price comes from you 2011-04-01 08:25:58+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahhaahahah 2011-04-01 08:26:38+0000 <mati_> 200 2011-04-01 08:27:39+0000 <antoviaque> It's not a bit low? Maybe we could match Deborah's prices - she's at 200 but it's because she has 4 days/motnh garanteed 2011-04-01 08:28:05+0000 <antoviaque> maybe you could be at 250/day while we only take a few days from you now and then 2011-04-01 08:28:09+0000 <mati_> ok 250 2011-04-01 08:28:13+0000 <mati_> per hour 2011-04-01 08:28:16+0000 <mati_> :P 2011-04-01 08:28:17+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahah 2011-04-01 08:28:24+0000 <antoviaque> ok then - da ok for you too? 2011-04-01 08:28:30+0000 <da> yep ! 2011-04-01 08:28:33+0000 <antoviaque> perfect 2011-04-01 08:28:42+0000 <da> i mean per day, yep :) 2011-04-01 08:28:48+0000 <antoviaque> Any other topic to discuss? 2011-04-01 08:28:57+0000 <mati_> cool :) 2011-04-01 08:29:05+0000 <antoviaque> da: rofl 2011-04-01 08:29:14+0000 <tartarugafeliz> what's rofl? 2011-04-01 08:29:25+0000 <antoviaque> rolling on the floor laughing ;p 2011-04-01 08:29:30+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :O 2011-04-01 08:29:52+0000 * tartarugafeliz thinks there are some nerds around... 2011-04-01 08:30:03+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: you didn't reply one of my questions: 2011-04-01 08:30:10+0000 <antoviaque> (10:23:02 AM) antoviaque: since it will be our last meeting before that week, do you want to decide on something now? 2011-04-01 08:30:11+0000 <tartarugafeliz> what's the question sir? 2011-04-01 08:30:32+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hmm no actually. I prefer to wait to see the feedback from the AD 2011-04-01 08:30:47+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and the other people too! 2011-04-01 08:30:48+0000 * antoviaque thinks that someone who knows how to do this in IRC is nerd enough already ;p 2011-04-01 08:31:10+0000 <antoviaque> oki then - so when do you want to meet here to decide? 2011-04-01 08:31:31+0000 <tartarugafeliz> when I come back from Brazil 2011-04-01 08:31:32+0000 <tartarugafeliz> let me see 2011-04-01 08:31:49+0000 <tartarugafeliz> 23rd of april 2011-04-01 08:32:12+0000 <antoviaque> on a Saturday? :D 2011-04-01 08:32:26+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ahmm 2011-04-01 08:32:27+0000 <tartarugafeliz> really? 2011-04-01 08:32:36+0000 <antoviaque> the 23d is a saturday ;p 2011-04-01 08:32:40+0000 <tartarugafeliz> sorry 22 2011-04-01 08:32:49+0000 <antoviaque> maybe we can simply decide in the meeting of the 22? 2011-04-01 08:32:51+0000 <antoviaque> ok ;p 2011-04-01 08:33:40+0000 <antoviaque> btw Pranjal next two weeks I won't be available for the weekly meeting - so da will take over. Right da? :D 2011-04-01 08:33:52+0000 <da> yep 2011-04-01 08:33:52+0000 <Pranjal> ok 2011-04-01 08:34:07+0000 <antoviaque> Same thing for feedback ?& tests on Card Stories, he can answer you if you have questions or need feedback 2011-04-01 08:34:15+0000 <da> Xav i'll need your support for technical answers though 2011-04-01 08:34:16+0000 <Pranjal> sure 2011-04-01 08:34:38+0000 <Pranjal> mostly I'd not have technical Qs :) 2011-04-01 08:34:43+0000 <da> :) 2011-04-01 08:34:44+0000 <antoviaque> Yep, for technical stuff post it on the forum - if I can I'll answer there, otherwise we'll see when I come back 2011-04-01 08:34:53+0000 <Pranjal> sure that will help 2011-04-01 08:35:53+0000 <antoviaque> perfect! 2011-04-01 08:36:06+0000 <antoviaque> ok done then? nothing else to discuss? 2011-04-01 08:36:50+0000 <da> update of follow-up -> http://farsides.com/wiki/Tasks_follow-up 2011-04-01 08:36:53+0000 <antoviaque> thx 2011-04-01 08:37:03+0000 <antoviaque> ok, I take the absence of answer for a yes ;p 2011-04-01 08:37:07+0000 <antoviaque> eve: end meeting 2011-04-01 08:37:08+0000 <eve> Meeting Ended 2011-04-01 08:37:08+0000 <eve> Minutes available at http://paste.pocoo.org/show/363705 2011-04-01 08:37:21+0000 <antoviaque> Pranjal: you want to discuss the leaderboard? 2011-04-01 08:38:31+0000 <Pranjal> Is it possible to discuss sometime later today? Actually right now I need to go for a doctor's appointment 2011-04-01 08:39:13+0000 <antoviaque> no worries - I should be around today 2011-04-01 08:39:33+0000 <antoviaque> just let me know when it's a good time for you 2011-04-01 08:39:42+0000 <antoviaque> and good luck with the doctor : ) 2011-04-01 08:39:51+0000 <Pranjal> ok.. so I shall ping you in another couple hours 2011-04-01 08:39:55+0000 <antoviaque> ok! 2011-04-01 08:40:26+0000 <Pranjal> sure talk to you then 2011-04-01 08:41:34+0000 <antoviaque> Thanks for coming today - good luck : ) 2011-04-01 09:07:37+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-04-01 09:07:43+0000 <dachary> tartarugafeliz: \o/ 2011-04-01 09:07:44+0000 <antoviaque> hi loic : ) 2011-04-01 09:07:46+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: \o/ 2011-04-01 09:07:52+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hellloooo 2011-04-01 09:08:09+0000 <dachary> How is bologne ? 2011-04-01 09:10:22+0000 <tartarugafeliz> amazing 2011-04-01 09:10:23+0000 <dachary> tartarugafeliz: what is the desired screen size for the game ? 800x600 ? 2011-04-01 09:10:25+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I love italy 2011-04-01 09:10:54+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hmmm let me check but I think I did 1024 x 768 2011-04-01 09:11:51+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeap. 1024 x 768 2011-04-01 09:13:11+0000 <dachary> ok 2011-04-01 09:14:12+0000 <dachary> tartarugafeliz: the mockups have various sizes, do you have some that are 1024x768 ? If you don't I will resize in order to draft the CSS/HTML integration. 2011-04-01 09:15:03+0000 <tartarugafeliz> actually its liquid design 2011-04-01 09:15:13+0000 <tartarugafeliz> so, there are some that are a little bit bigger 2011-04-01 09:15:26+0000 <tartarugafeliz> but most of them are in 1024x768 already 2011-04-01 09:16:55+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: yep, the best would be to stretch over the screen imho, so that players with a big screen can take advantage of it 2011-04-01 09:17:31+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeap 2011-04-01 09:19:37+0000 <tartarugafeliz> brb 2011-04-01 09:20:19+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I will stick to static size because I don't have specifications on how it needs to stretch. 2011-04-01 09:22:20+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: I don't remember if you did the liquid design ratios for CS (%ages and pixels specifications) 2011-04-01 09:23:41+0000 <antoviaque> I think not - in which case you're right loic, you'd be missing the info 2011-04-01 09:23:56+0000 <dachary> http://farsides.com/wiki/Card_Stories_Interface_design 2011-04-01 09:24:22+0000 <dachary> these are the mockups I'll be using 2011-04-01 09:24:59+0000 <dachary> tartarugafeliz: let me know if you have more. What I see is enough for me to work. But I would not want to miss anything ;-) 2011-04-01 09:27:31+0000 <dachary> regarding http://farsides.com/images/3/3e/Interface010.png I'm not sure how to interpret it. It looks like this is the view of the game author after (s)he invited friends and before going to the voting phase. Should the cards picked by each player be displayed there ? 2011-04-01 09:48:53+0000 <tartarugafeliz> http://farsides.com/wiki/Card_Stories_Interface_design this is the final one 2011-04-01 09:49:10+0000 <tartarugafeliz> but I didn't do the %ages because the other guys told me that it would be static 2011-04-01 09:50:07+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and regarding to interface10.png, yes, the cards picked by each player should be displayed there 2011-04-01 10:00:44+0000 <dachary> tartarugafeliz: ok. I'm confortable with static design :-D 2011-04-01 10:05:05+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok then! :) 2011-04-01 10:06:15+0000 <tartarugafeliz> do you want me to send it to you in vector? 2011-04-01 10:06:30+0000 <tartarugafeliz> dachary: what do you need me to do? 2011-04-01 10:06:32+0000 <dachary> tartarugafeliz: yes please 2011-04-01 10:06:47+0000 <dachary> the vector version will help me 2011-04-01 10:06:50+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'm using illustrator 2011-04-01 10:07:10+0000 <tartarugafeliz> what's the best thing I can do for you? because I think you probably don't have it on your computer right? 2011-04-01 10:08:43+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I can send in svg, is it good? 2011-04-01 10:13:50+0000 <dachary> please send both tartarugafeliz 2011-04-01 10:13:59+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok! 2011-04-01 10:14:04+0000 <dachary> I will probably be able to open the .ai 2011-04-01 10:14:14+0000 <dachary> and if I'm not, I'll use the SVG as a backup 2011-04-01 10:17:03+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok. the thing is I need to change the fonts because they look really bad when its integrated... 2011-04-01 10:17:08+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: tartarugafeliz on http://farsides.com/wiki/File:Card_Stories_Interface1.png the idea is that the card is selected when the user clicks on it. When the user clicks, the game proceeds to the next step. 2011-04-01 10:17:11+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I don't know why exactly 2011-04-01 10:17:23+0000 <tartarugafeliz> so, it will take some time... 2011-04-01 10:17:37+0000 <dachary> tartarugafeliz: ok, fine. I'm not blocked anyway ;-) 2011-04-01 10:17:45+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok! :) 2011-04-01 10:17:55+0000 <antoviaque> loic: by integrated Deborah means when the text is displayed with the font embbeded rather than having the text as an image 2011-04-01 10:18:09+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I figured that much ;-) 2011-04-01 10:18:17+0000 <antoviaque> okay ;p 2011-04-01 10:19:56+0000 <tartarugafeliz> dachary: when do you need these files to work on? 2011-04-01 10:20:07+0000 <dachary> on http://farsides.com/wiki/File:Card_Stories_Interface1.png I don't see 36 cards at the bottom. I would need a mockup where all 36 cards fit 2011-04-01 10:20:10+0000 <tartarugafeliz> because it will take me a full day to organize everything for you 2011-04-01 10:20:43+0000 <dachary> tartarugafeliz: when you can. I can complete all my work without it. I only need to know that it will happen eventually. 2011-04-01 10:21:01+0000 <dachary> tartarugafeliz: am I making sense ? 2011-04-01 10:21:04+0000 <tartarugafeliz> so I can deliver when I come back from Brazil? :) 2011-04-01 10:21:05+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes! 2011-04-01 10:21:10+0000 <dachary> yes, sure. 2011-04-01 10:21:17+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and about the http://farsides.com/wiki/File:Card_Stories_Interface1.png 2011-04-01 10:21:25+0000 <dachary> in the meantime it will look ugly but I don't mind that ;-) 2011-04-01 10:21:29+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :P 2011-04-01 10:22:25+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: btw the idea was to use something like jdock for displaying all the cards http://www.wizzud.com/jqDock/ 2011-04-01 10:23:40+0000 <tartarugafeliz> very kewl! 2011-04-01 10:25:33+0000 <dachary> thanks for the hint 2011-04-01 10:29:55+0000 <tartarugafeliz> so, I'm going to the supermarket, be right back if you need me ok? :) 2011-04-01 10:30:27+0000 <dachary> ok tartarugafeliz thanks 2011-04-01 10:33:27+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: this is a great plugin, I'm surprised how rich it is 2011-04-01 10:33:54+0000 <dachary> and the demonstrator is extremely well done 2011-04-01 10:33:55+0000 <dachary> Oo 2011-04-01 10:34:08+0000 <antoviaque> yup, there is a few similar plugins, but this one stand outs (didn't look at the code though) 2011-04-01 11:01:57+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: http://cardstories.dachary.org/cardstories/static/?player_id=antoviaque 2011-04-01 11:02:21+0000 <dachary> see the jdock at the bottom 2011-04-01 11:02:38+0000 <dachary> I will configure it so that it fits in the 1024 constraint 2011-04-01 11:03:14+0000 <dachary> but I think it will not look pretty because the cards will be very small 2011-04-01 11:05:05+0000 <antoviaque> maybe only show a small number of cards then? We don't need to allow the author to have choice over all the cards after all - it may even be better to reduce the choice, as too much choice tends to create confusion 2011-04-01 11:05:52+0000 <antoviaque> Could be 7 random cards, like the rest of the players 2011-04-01 11:06:05+0000 <antoviaque> would probably be much better to see on the screen then 2011-04-01 11:06:27+0000 <dachary> I'll let you think about it 2011-04-01 11:06:45+0000 <dachary> I just wanted to raise the potential issue ;-) 2011-04-01 11:07:15+0000 <antoviaque> If you like it, for me it's a good solution - there is no real drawback to it 2011-04-01 11:25:12+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I'll let you sleep on it and add it to the specs when you're happy about it. Just trying to minimize the probability that you change your mind and that I need to change the code ;-) 2011-04-01 12:13:01+0000 <antoviaque> ahah, if you want : ) 2011-04-01 12:15:05+0000 <antoviaque> But I try to not be too much of a pain in the ass on this kind of subject - my lazyness make me like to solve things now and forget about it afterwards ;p 2011-04-01 12:38:30+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I have never had good experience about unwritten game design decisions. Let alone game decision decisions resolved in less than 10 minutes. 2011-04-01 12:39:29+0000 <antoviaque> agreed - but here it's more UI decision - in any case no worries waiting a bit and writing it down 2011-04-01 12:46:00+0000 <dachary> ok 2011-04-01 12:46:01+0000 <dachary> bbl 2011-04-01 13:59:36+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-04-01 14:59:17+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-04-01 15:10:57+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I did not receive any mail from tartarugafeliz, should I search my spam box ? 2011-04-01 15:27:56+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-04-01 15:28:15+0000 <tartarugafeliz> dachary: hello! 2011-04-01 15:28:21+0000 <dachary> \o/ 2011-04-01 15:28:33+0000 <tartarugafeliz> dachary: what email are you talking about? I told you, I'll send when I come back from Brazil! :D 2011-04-01 15:28:46+0000 <tartarugafeliz> cause I'll have to spend a full day on it 2011-04-01 15:29:32+0000 <dachary> tartarugafeliz: I was refering to the .ai / svg file you currently have. Not the one you plan to do ;-) 2011-04-01 15:30:00+0000 <tartarugafeliz> but that's the one I was talking about⦠because I want to change the fonts! but i can send you and you use all the other elements 2011-04-01 15:30:10+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and then when I come back you only put the text, is that ok? :) 2011-04-01 15:30:54+0000 <dachary> oh 2011-04-01 15:31:32+0000 <dachary> You can send me what ? I'm confused ;-) 2011-04-01 15:31:38+0000 <dachary> "but i can send you and you use all the other elements" 2011-04-01 15:31:44+0000 <dachary> I think you missed a word ;-) 2011-04-01 17:20:32+0000 <dachary> tartarugafeliz: note that the line does not tile properly at http://cardstories.dachary.org/cardstories/static/?player_id=antoviaque 2011-04-01 17:20:33+0000 <dachary> bbl 2011-04-01 18:46:58+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: ^ 2011-04-01 18:47:08+0000 <antoviaque> re 2011-04-01 18:47:11+0000 <dachary> \o/ 2011-04-01 18:47:18+0000 <dachary> how is bologne by night ? 2011-04-01 18:51:28+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-04-01 18:54:48+0000 <antoviaque> It has good pastas ;p 2011-04-01 18:55:07+0000 <antoviaque> But we came back yesterday night - then leaving for Brazil on Monday : ) 2011-04-01 18:55:48+0000 <antoviaque> I just came back, I realize Deborah didn't reply - wait I ask her 2011-04-01 18:58:12+0000 <antoviaque> So, Deborah was saying that she can give you the files, but to not integrate the text & fonts, since she's going to change that part 2011-04-01 18:58:22+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: 2011-04-01 19:04:02+0000 da (da) is now online 2011-04-01 19:08:32+0000 <dachary> back 2011-04-01 19:08:42+0000 <dachary> da \o/ 2011-04-01 19:10:29+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: sure. The file will help me figure out the position of the elements in the 1024x768 space. 2011-04-01 19:26:33+0000 <tartarugafeliz> http://farsides.com/files/?repository_id=0&folder=%2Fcardstories%2Finterface 2011-04-01 19:27:26+0000 <antoviaque> thanks Deborah : ) 2011-04-01 19:27:31+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :) 2011-04-01 19:28:35+0000 <dachary> checking 2011-04-01 19:29:15+0000 <dachary> question: what font do you recommend I use to occupy the same space as the finaly font ? My concern is less about the actual aspect of the text than the alignment of the letters. 2011-04-01 19:29:30+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: tartarugafeliz^ 2011-04-01 19:30:49+0000 <antoviaque> She has to do some research about the font, as it will depend on what looks best. 2011-04-01 19:31:44+0000 * dachary downloading the files and upgrading inkscape ;-) 2011-04-01 19:32:11+0000 <antoviaque> Probably in the meantime you can use the font she used, but it will likely change the alignment when she switches to another font 2011-04-01 19:32:26+0000 <dachary> there will be many adjustement anyways 2011-04-01 19:32:33+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-04-01 19:32:40+0000 <dachary> what fond is almost but not quite good enough ? 2011-04-01 19:32:48+0000 <dachary> s/fond/font/ 2011-04-01 19:33:08+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: ^ 2011-04-01 19:34:05+0000 <dachary> I am able to open the SVG 2011-04-01 19:34:29+0000 <dachary> for starters it will allow me to export the "pick a card bubble" without the line in the background :-D 2011-04-01 19:35:00+0000 <antoviaque> Not sure the name of the font *newb with Inkscape*, but it's the one of the "Start a new story" for example 2011-04-01 19:35:02+0000 <antoviaque> ahah ;p 2011-04-01 19:35:26+0000 <antoviaque> Interesting - this bubble is actually an image, not text 2011-04-01 19:37:04+0000 <antoviaque> Btw the issue with the font of "Start a new story" for example, is that when it is displayed in the browser it doesn't look good (not as neat and sharp embedded as in Illustrator) 2011-04-01 19:37:06+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I have all I need to keep going. Thanks ! 2011-04-01 19:37:13+0000 <antoviaque> Cool : ) 2011-04-01 19:37:36+0000 <dachary> I will keep the text as drawings and not worry about the fond for player names for now. 2011-04-01 19:37:42+0000 <dachary> s/fond/font/ 2011-04-01 19:37:44+0000 <antoviaque> Btw sorry I didn't see earlier, I hope I didn't make you stay late just for that! 2011-04-01 19:37:47+0000 <antoviaque> ok 2011-04-01 19:38:19+0000 <antoviaque> Oh and I was seeing Charles Gaudron again with David earlier when I was away : ) 2011-04-01 19:38:41+0000 <antoviaque> It's cool, we'll give it a try on a test task - curious to see how it works out : ) 2011-04-01 19:38:42+0000 <dachary> I was not waiting for you :-) I had champagne and salmon with my mother in law. Celebrating her retirement (today) and the first day of Yvi as an actor (wednesday). 2011-04-01 19:38:57+0000 <antoviaque> Ohh - double congratulations then :D 2011-04-01 19:39:05+0000 <dachary> I had an idea for the invitations. 2011-04-01 19:39:11+0000 <dachary> Instead of mailto 2011-04-01 19:39:44+0000 <dachary> When a player displays the game page, it sees the pending invitations it has, for games that are ongoing. 2011-04-01 19:40:18+0000 <dachary> When the author of a game invites friends, it sets a a game2invitations table with the pending invitations. 2011-04-01 19:45:19+0000 <antoviaque> And how does the friend accesses his list of games ? Custom link sent by email ? 2011-04-01 19:46:19+0000 <antoviaque> In any case it's certainly much better to do it like that - it doesn't make it bigger though? 2011-04-01 19:50:43+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: yes, link like http://cardstories.dachary.org/cardstories/static/?player_id=antoviaque that can be bookmarked 2011-04-01 19:51:07+0000 <dachary> and when you want to invite someone to play, you just ask him to "come" to the game 2011-04-01 19:51:16+0000 <dachary> and then it can click on the pending invitations. 2011-04-01 19:51:35+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I think it's very practical for testing purposes 2011-04-01 19:51:36+0000 <antoviaque> That's the perfect scenario yep, in absence of a social network 2011-04-01 19:52:31+0000 <dachary> is it just me or the http://cardstories.dachary.org/cardstories/static/?player_id=antoviaque page looks very empty. I suppose I must configure the list of cards to start as if the mouse was over the card in the middle to fill the space. 2011-04-01 19:52:43+0000 <dachary> Otherwise it really looks empty. 2011-04-01 19:52:52+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: ^ 2011-04-01 19:52:56+0000 <dachary> tartarugafeliz: 2011-04-01 19:53:43+0000 <antoviaque> ah yep, true 2011-04-01 19:55:10+0000 <antoviaque> actually the best probably would be to only take the x position of the mouse into account, and always act like if the y was at the level of the cards, but that's probably not something that the plugin handles ;p 2011-04-01 19:55:41+0000 <dachary> the plugin has an amazing number of options, I'll dig it 2011-04-01 20:03:15+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: reload http://cardstories.dachary.org/cardstories/static/?player_id=antoviaque 2011-04-01 20:03:22+0000 <dachary> it's much better initialy 2011-04-01 20:03:53+0000 <antoviaque> ah ouep 2011-04-01 20:04:11+0000 <antoviaque> It's easier to understand what's going on 2011-04-01 20:10:30+0000 <dachary> ok. I won't obses over what happens while selecting for now. It's more important to skin all the steps, I think. 2011-04-01 20:11:03+0000 <dachary> tartarugafeliz: I was able to make http://cardstories.dachary.org/cardstories/static/css/images/pick_a_card.png out of the SVG. This is why I need it, mostly ;-) 2011-04-01 20:15:06+0000 * antoviaque transmits the information :p 2011-04-01 20:23:15+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: tartarugafeliz in http://cardstories.dachary.org/cardstories/static/?player_id=antoviaque the http://cardstories.dachary.org/cardstories/static/css/images/counter_1_of_4.png which I took from the launchpad repository is too small compared to the background . When I compare it to http://farsides.com/wiki/File:Card_Stories_Interface1.png it looks smaller. 2011-04-01 20:25:01+0000 <dachary> I'll try to export from the SVG 2011-04-01 20:29:00+0000 <dachary> this is much better. From then on I will use the SVG to export the elements. tartarugafeliz it makes my work easier and the result cleaner ;-) 2011-04-01 20:32:59+0000 <dachary> tartarugafeliz: I would like to know if http://cardstories.dachary.org/cardstories/static/?player_id=antoviaque looks as you want 2011-04-01 20:33:03+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: ^ 2011-04-01 20:34:34+0000 <tartarugafeliz> dachary: your work is so good!!! 2011-04-01 20:34:42+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'm talking about this with Xav and a friend here 2011-04-01 20:34:49+0000 <tartarugafeliz> Its just perfect! 2011-04-01 20:34:53+0000 * dachary blushes 2011-04-01 20:35:06+0000 <tartarugafeliz> you respect the design without me having to explain everything its amazing, thank you so much for doing this 2011-04-01 20:35:39+0000 <dachary> it's a pleasure to work with well designed material. Thank you :-) 2011-04-01 20:36:23+0000 <dachary> I'll keep going in this direction then. 2011-04-01 20:36:30+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :D 2011-04-01 20:36:55+0000 <dachary> When you return from brazil we will hopefully need at most a day to polish the result. 2011-04-01 20:37:10+0000 <dachary> Thanks for your help today, it made a world of difference. 2011-04-01 20:40:16+0000 <antoviaque> Quoting Deborah: "We have to find a way to hire Loic!!!" 2011-04-01 20:40:19+0000 <antoviaque> I didn't say it ;p 2011-04-01 20:41:40+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahaahaahah 2011-04-01 20:41:52+0000 <tartarugafeliz> its true, we have to find a way to have louic working with us, cmon guys 2011-04-01 20:44:56+0000 <dachary> but ... we're already working together aren't we ? 2011-04-01 20:45:47+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-04-01 21:02:55+0000 <antoviaque> Yes! She means on the long term : ) 2011-04-01 21:06:31+0000 <dachary> :-D 2011-04-01 21:21:41+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-04-01 22:01:25+0000 <dachary> writing the sentence is integrated 2011-04-01 22:01:27+0000 <dachary> http://cardstories.dachary.org/cardstories/static/?player_id=antoviaque 2011-04-01 22:01:35+0000 <dachary> I left out the text from the bubbles 2011-04-01 22:17:11+0000 * dachary proceeding to the "author view, waiting for players to come in" 2011-04-01 22:22:30+0000 <dachary> tartarugafeliz: for the sake of simplicity i will deviate from the mockup and show the name of the player on top of the card. Because the jquery plugin makes it easier this way. I will be happy to come back to it later and introduce the labels you designed under the cards. 2011-04-01 22:22:55+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok! :) 2011-04-01 22:35:03+0000 <dachary> I"m out for the day, have a nice holliday in brazil ! 2011-04-01 23:33:54+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online
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