Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2011-04-30.
2011-04-30 07:20:25+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: tssss 2011-04-30 07:20:36+0000 <dachary> I've seen it, it's hype 2011-04-30 07:31:25+0000 da (da) is now online 2011-04-30 08:37:49+0000 <dachary> da: bonjour hi 2011-04-30 08:38:25+0000 <dachary> I've installed a symfony based framework to look at how things are done http://diem-project.org/ 2011-04-30 08:39:02+0000 <dachary> http://cardstori.es/diem/web/admin_dev.php 2011-04-30 08:39:04+0000 <dachary> user admin 2011-04-30 08:39:06+0000 <dachary> pass admin 2011-04-30 08:39:21+0000 <dachary> in /var/www/diem on cardstories.politis.vm.gnt 2011-04-30 08:42:22+0000 <da> dachary: hello bien le bonjour 2011-04-30 08:46:51+0000 <dachary> da: antoviaque told me that you were considering focusing on cardstories 2011-04-30 08:50:11+0000 <da> dachary: we've been talking about it, yep 2011-04-30 08:51:12+0000 <da> card stories is an interesting game and the scope is more reasonable than humanity project 2011-04-30 08:51:54+0000 <da> it could be interesting to start with this one before going back to humanity project 2011-04-30 08:51:59+0000 <da> what dyou think ? 2011-04-30 08:56:23+0000 <dachary> da I think it's a good idea. It is definitely small and the business model can be implemented fairly simply. 2011-04-30 08:57:55+0000 <dachary> Assuming I understand the business model correctly : the user can either buy new cards (expensive and rare) or acquire the right to use a given set of cards (cheap). It essentially means providing a virtual item shop where users can acquire cards or decks of cards. 2011-04-30 08:58:49+0000 <dachary> I'm still unclear about the integration in the social networks, but it's getting a lot better after talking with antoviaque yesterday. 2011-04-30 09:03:29+0000 <da> regarding the business model, i agree this is the most obvious one, it makes sense. This said depending on how the players will use the game, we might discover other ways to monetize i guess. For instance if you want to be the author in mode than n games at a given time (model close to conquerclub.com) 2011-04-30 09:05:04+0000 <da> it's just an example. what i have in mind is that the business model could derive from what we understand of the way players use the game, as a second step. Or do you think we should decide it now from the beginning ? 2011-04-30 09:06:26+0000 <da> i'm going to have some eggs and coffee and stuff, i'll be glad to continue discussing some other time when i grab you here 2011-04-30 09:07:02+0000 <da> a tout' bye :) 2011-04-30 09:09:10+0000 <dachary> I agree with you about adapting to the user demand. It makes sense. 2011-04-30 09:16:07+0000 tempuramerino (tempuramerino) is now online 2011-04-30 11:10:17+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-04-30 11:11:08+0000 <antoviaque> gnome3 is really kewl : ) 2011-04-30 11:45:56+0000 <dachary> ahaha 2011-04-30 11:57:15+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-04-30 12:29:57+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: happy gnome ? 2011-04-30 12:30:15+0000 <dachary> I keep educating myself 2011-04-30 12:30:18+0000 <dachary> about symfony 2011-04-30 12:32:46+0000 <dachary> using jobeet as described at http://www.symfony-project.org/jobeet/1_4/Propel/en/ and downloaded from http://svn.jobeet.org/propel/trunk/ and installed at http://cardstori.es/jobeet/web/frontend_dev.php/en/ 2011-04-30 12:35:30+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: yep, very happy about this new version : ) 2011-04-30 12:35:45+0000 <dachary> :-D 2011-04-30 12:35:51+0000 <antoviaque> I don't understand why Ubuntu doesn't use it by default 2011-04-30 12:36:02+0000 <antoviaque> let me see for symfony : ) 2011-04-30 12:36:40+0000 <dachary> there is nothing to see yet 2011-04-30 12:37:05+0000 <dachary> it requires some getting used to 2011-04-30 12:37:42+0000 <antoviaque> thanks for the link to the doc, I'll use it too then : ) 2011-04-30 12:38:07+0000 <dachary> I'm not saying you should. Just so that you know where I am currently. 2011-04-30 12:38:09+0000 <antoviaque> and what do you think of it so far? 2011-04-30 12:38:22+0000 <antoviaque> ah no, but I was looking for a good doc 2011-04-30 12:38:25+0000 <dachary> I chose propel over doctrine because my symfony friend is familiar with propel 2011-04-30 12:38:59+0000 <dachary> I think it's shit and I want to throw up. But I think the same of all drupal/joomla & friends ;-) 2011-04-30 12:39:05+0000 <antoviaque> yup, could prove useful to keep following the friend path to the end : ) 2011-04-30 12:39:11+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahah 2011-04-30 12:39:43+0000 <dachary> There is one positive thing : tests are in the culture of symfony 2011-04-30 12:39:49+0000 <dachary> they are everywhere 2011-04-30 12:40:20+0000 <dachary> and you know what it means ;-) 2011-04-30 12:40:21+0000 <dachary> for me 2011-04-30 12:40:26+0000 <antoviaque> ahah, this is the kind of things that could make you change your mind ;p 2011-04-30 12:40:33+0000 <antoviaque> about a CMS :D 2011-04-30 12:40:59+0000 <dachary> I don't think so 2011-04-30 12:41:10+0000 <dachary> I think CMS are doomed to disapear. 2011-04-30 12:41:22+0000 <dachary> I'm not sure how it will happen yet. 2011-04-30 12:42:03+0000 <antoviaque> evolve, maybe, they need to take more into account the client side in their archi, but I don't see them disappearing any time soon : ) 2011-04-30 12:42:50+0000 <antoviaque> just like python didn't take over PHP 2011-04-30 12:43:01+0000 * antoviaque is in the mood for trolling 2011-04-30 12:44:31+0000 <dachary> let me rephrase that : I think they might be replaced by distributions of web related software fitting together. 2011-04-30 12:45:30+0000 <dachary> It would be sensible since a lot of them implement things that are best described as tools for distributions and enforcing common api. 2011-04-30 12:47:16+0000 <antoviaque> then it would need a layer that would make it easier for the lambda PHP developer to hack it without much programming culture 2011-04-30 12:47:22+0000 <antoviaque> which is far from the case right now 2011-04-30 12:47:45+0000 <dachary> the "plugins" for drupal, joomla or symfony or... are here to stay. They are what you'll apt-get install / pear install / gem install etc. to build your web application. But the "drupal" / "joomla" distributions are vastly redundant with existing distribution systems such as fedora or debian 2011-04-30 12:48:18+0000 <dachary> true 2011-04-30 12:48:24+0000 <dachary> anyway 2011-04-30 12:48:27+0000 <antoviaque> You mean a web os then? 2011-04-30 12:56:23+0000 <dachary> maybe 2011-04-30 12:56:33+0000 <dachary> I found help today on #symfony-fr 2011-04-30 13:04:57+0000 <antoviaque> made new friends? : ) 2011-04-30 13:12:33+0000 <dachary> sidekicks ;-) 2011-04-30 13:36:47+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahah 2011-04-30 15:05:52+0000 <dachary> back 2011-04-30 16:11:41+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-04-30 17:41:13+0000 <dachary> je continue a ramer dans symfony avec des conneries typiques des CMS 2011-04-30 17:41:57+0000 <dachary> Oh, you did not know that you need to "php symfony cc" to clear the cache before running the tests ? It's not written in http://www.symfony-project.org/gentle-introduction/1_4/en/15-Unit-and-Functional-Testing but you should have guess. WTF ! 2011-04-30 17:46:13+0000 <dachary> this gentle introduction looks like a brutal fist fuck 2011-04-30 17:47:16+0000 <dachary> I think the most irritating thing about the state of the CMS is the absurdity of the learning curve. You have to learn a bunch of stupid tricks that noone in his right mind would approve of. 2011-04-30 17:48:07+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: with regard to symfony2 it's *vastly* different from symfony1 to the point where it's barely recognizable 2011-04-30 17:48:51+0000 <dachary> that re-enforces my opinion that we should stay on the stable branch 2011-04-30 17:49:46+0000 <dachary> I will meet tomorrow with my symfony friend who already help me via mail thru this learning curve 2011-04-30 17:52:09+0000 <antoviaque> I empathize, every time I went through this I lost some hair : ) 2011-04-30 18:11:15+0000 <dachary> (08:08:47 PM) dachary: l'erreur complete est la http://pastebin.com/2HHqpMkj 2011-04-30 18:11:15+0000 <dachary> (08:09:01 PM) dachary: je n'ai pas encore fait d'installation 2011-04-30 18:11:15+0000 <dachary> (08:09:11 PM) dachary: j'essaye juste de faire tourner le test 2011-04-30 18:11:15+0000 <dachary> (08:09:25 PM) serard: comment ça pas d'installation ? 2011-04-30 18:11:15+0000 <dachary> (08:09:37 PM) dachary: je veux dire que je n'ai pas essayé via le browser 2011-04-30 18:11:15+0000 <dachary> (08:09:48 PM) serard: ah 2011-04-30 18:11:15+0000 <dachary> (08:09:51 PM) dachary: tu y crois a l'idée que l'exemple est buggé ? 2011-04-30 18:11:16+0000 <dachary> (08:09:56 PM) serard: bon là l'erreur c'est qu'il faut que tu t'identifies, 2011-04-30 18:11:17+0000 <dachary> (08:10:06 PM) serard: je ne sais pas, nul part ils disent qu'il faut se logger ? 2011-04-30 18:11:18+0000 <dachary> (08:10:17 PM) serard: peut être que la doc n'a pas été mise à jour, tu sais dans le dev logiciel c'est assez courant :) 2011-04-30 18:11:18+0000 <dachary> (08:10:45 PM) serard: ++ 2011-04-30 18:11:18+0000 <dachary> (08:10:46 PM) dachary: serard: le code c'est http://www.symfony-project.org/jobeet/1_4/Propel/en/09 2011-04-30 18:11:19+0000 <dachary> (08:10:47 PM) serard left the room (quit: Quit: Quitte). 2011-04-30 18:11:22+0000 <dachary> that's a pearl 2011-04-30 18:11:56+0000 <dachary> most of the people on #symfony-fr are useless 2011-04-30 18:12:28+0000 <antoviaque> ahah - at least he tried to answer, it's better than silence : ) 2011-04-30 18:12:47+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: he wasted my time by not having a clue 2011-04-30 18:13:02+0000 <dachary> he knew about clearing the cache 2011-04-30 18:23:16+0000 <dachary> I found the source of the problem 2011-04-30 18:23:18+0000 <dachary> WTF 2011-04-30 18:53:25+0000 <dachary> je confirme donc que l'exemple ne fonctionne pas par défaut 2011-04-30 18:53:36+0000 <dachary> c'est la classe 2011-04-30 19:32:16+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-04-30 21:22:51+0000 lincoln (lincoln) is now online 2011-04-30 21:26:35+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: http://dachary.org/?p=415 I prevailed 2011-04-30 21:26:45+0000 <dachary> \o/ 2011-04-30 21:31:48+0000 <dachary> the backlog is such that there is a *very* slim chance it is accepted or even attended http://trac.symfony-project.org/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&component=jobeet&order=priority 2011-04-30 21:32:29+0000 <dachary> that being said, it's a problem shared with drupal although the community is much larger 2011-04-30 21:57:17+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-04-30 23:09:16+0000 <lincoln> antoviaque, hehe, just confirming that I'll be able to work tomorrow :)
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