Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2011-05-02.
2011-05-02 07:38:52+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-05-02 07:40:43+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: work for hire today 2011-05-02 07:44:40+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: hi! 2011-05-02 07:45:16+0000 <antoviaque> you moved your paid day to another day? 2011-05-02 07:46:13+0000 <antoviaque> Well good to have you for today in any case : ) 2011-05-02 07:48:26+0000 <antoviaque> so for deciding a task on a paid day the process is the following: you look at http://cardstori.es/trac/report/9 , see if there are some tasks that you'd prefer, then we discuss them to see if they fit the priorities & the volume of work 2011-05-02 07:49:35+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: 2011-05-02 07:50:34+0000 <dachary> reading 2011-05-02 07:50:46+0000 <dachary> pay day is monday 2011-05-02 07:51:07+0000 <antoviaque> I'll have to be afk at 10 to sort stuff with my scooter fyi 2011-05-02 07:51:21+0000 <dachary> ok 2011-05-02 07:53:50+0000 <antoviaque> ahhhh - got it *stupid* 2011-05-02 07:57:00+0000 <dachary> ahahah 2011-05-02 08:00:16+0000 <antoviaque> For a beer proposition, see => http://farsides.com/blog/groups/project-management/ 2011-05-02 08:00:54+0000 <antoviaque> I also posted a quick update about the shift to card Stories (da this doesn't replace your blog post - it's just my conscience which was harassing me ;p ) 2011-05-02 08:11:32+0000 da1 (da1) is now online 2011-05-02 10:30:57+0000 da_ (da_) is now online 2011-05-02 11:03:10+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-05-02 11:03:44+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: tartarugafeliz: da_: if you can say when you could for the beer here : ) http://farsides.com/blog/members/antoviaque/activity/508/ 2011-05-02 11:10:46+0000 <dachary> done 2011-05-02 11:13:10+0000 <antoviaque> thx 2011-05-02 11:27:12+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-05-02 11:59:36+0000 da1 (da1) is now online 2011-05-02 12:03:31+0000 da_ (da_) is now online 2011-05-02 12:16:11+0000 lincoln (lincoln) is now online 2011-05-02 12:39:39+0000 lincoln (lincoln) is now online 2011-05-02 12:47:04+0000 lincoln (lincoln) is now online 2011-05-02 12:54:12+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-05-02 12:58:08+0000 smartwhiz (smartwhiz) is now online 2011-05-02 13:02:30+0000 <da_> antoviaque: do you remember, in social games, what is 'user' in ARPU : registered users or active users ? 2011-05-02 13:05:47+0000 <smartwhiz> <da_> I guess its active user 2011-05-02 13:06:22+0000 <smartwhiz> ARPU is calculated among registered users only I suppose 2011-05-02 13:06:38+0000 <smartwhiz> ARPU (Average revenue per user) right? 2011-05-02 13:06:48+0000 <da_> correct 2011-05-02 13:07:22+0000 <antoviaque> hi lincoln : ) 2011-05-02 13:07:28+0000 <antoviaque> hi smartwhiz : ) 2011-05-02 13:07:35+0000 <da_> it's calculated among registered users but i wonder if it includes all registered or just the active ones 2011-05-02 13:07:35+0000 <lincoln> hello there :) 2011-05-02 13:07:41+0000 <da_> hi everyone :) 2011-05-02 13:07:50+0000 <smartwhiz> there can be active and non active, but most of the cases, I guess, ARPU is calculated only within active users I suppose 2011-05-02 13:08:02+0000 <smartwhiz> Hey antoviaque 2011-05-02 13:08:14+0000 <smartwhiz> by the way David must me thinkin who am i 2011-05-02 13:08:15+0000 <smartwhiz> :P 2011-05-02 13:08:23+0000 <da_> antoviaque: just told me :) 2011-05-02 13:08:27+0000 <antoviaque> lincoln: I'm finishing my pile of late emails and I'll have a look at this buddypress issue you had : ) 2011-05-02 13:08:30+0000 <da_> hi Jithin 2011-05-02 13:08:31+0000 <smartwhiz> :D 2011-05-02 13:08:50+0000 <smartwhiz> hello sir 2011-05-02 13:09:08+0000 <lincoln> antoviaque, :) 2011-05-02 13:11:11+0000 <antoviaque> da: I think it's active users, otherwise the ARPU would decrease with time and churn, no? 2011-05-02 13:11:40+0000 <smartwhiz> antoviaque 2011-05-02 13:11:50+0000 <smartwhiz> adding to your sentence 2011-05-02 13:12:00+0000 <smartwhiz> consider you have 10 registered users 2011-05-02 13:12:07+0000 <smartwhiz> and you have 2 active users 2011-05-02 13:12:08+0000 <da_> agreed, and it makes more sense also to calculate based on active. thx 2011-05-02 13:12:29+0000 <smartwhiz> oh, you didn't want an eg: :P 2011-05-02 13:12:34+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahah 2011-05-02 13:12:37+0000 <da_> :) 2011-05-02 13:12:43+0000 <antoviaque> no keep going, I'm still thinking about it ;p 2011-05-02 13:13:10+0000 <smartwhiz> out of which 2 people being the guys who are playing and spending 2011-05-02 13:13:28+0000 <smartwhiz> the ARPU would be calculated only among them 2011-05-02 13:13:31+0000 <smartwhiz> not the others 2011-05-02 13:13:54+0000 <smartwhiz> because they are not spending -> when revenue is considered 2011-05-02 13:14:06+0000 <smartwhiz> may be they are playing or they have quit 2011-05-02 13:14:37+0000 <smartwhiz> their contribution to the revenue part is not there 2011-05-02 13:14:48+0000 <smartwhiz> and hence I guess they are not calculated 2011-05-02 13:15:09+0000 <smartwhiz> so the ARPU would be average revenue spent by the 2 people 2011-05-02 13:15:15+0000 <smartwhiz> on the game 2011-05-02 13:15:22+0000 <smartwhiz> did I get that correct? 2011-05-02 13:17:45+0000 <antoviaque> sure you're not confusing with ARPPU? : ) 2011-05-02 13:19:27+0000 <smartwhiz> ah.. 2011-05-02 13:19:58+0000 <da_> :) 2011-05-02 13:20:01+0000 <da_> no i think Jithin is mentioning the ARWTFU, which is a very interesting variable for social gaming 2011-05-02 13:20:05+0000 <antoviaque> those acronyms are really shitty, it says a lot about the industry ;p 2011-05-02 13:20:44+0000 <smartwhiz> ARPPU, is actually a quotient for most MMOs good enough for non-premium i suppose 2011-05-02 13:21:06+0000 <smartwhiz> now I am confused too 2011-05-02 13:21:07+0000 <smartwhiz> :( 2011-05-02 13:21:15+0000 <da_> you mean subscription based MMOs ? 2011-05-02 13:21:48+0000 <smartwhiz> yep.. 2011-05-02 13:22:00+0000 <da_> then ARPU=ARPPU 2011-05-02 13:22:06+0000 <da_> if everyone pays 2011-05-02 13:22:09+0000 <smartwhiz> ok, this is gonna change my statement though 2011-05-02 13:22:16+0000 <smartwhiz> but i think I made a mistake 2011-05-02 13:22:17+0000 <smartwhiz> http://www.raphkoster.com/2009/03/16/arpu-vs-arppu/ 2011-05-02 13:22:25+0000 <smartwhiz> ARPU = registered users 2011-05-02 13:22:40+0000 <smartwhiz> ARPPU = Paying users (or active and playing users) 2011-05-02 13:22:59+0000 <da_> hmmm 2011-05-02 13:23:48+0000 <da_> so ARPU would be registered players and not "active but not paying" 2011-05-02 13:24:07+0000 <da_> confused i am 2011-05-02 13:24:53+0000 <da_> sorry, not "active but not paying", rather "active whether paying or not" 2011-05-02 13:29:52+0000 <da_> after thinking, i now have a good reason to think that it's the active user : lifetime value is usually defined as ARPUx(number of months where user is active) 2011-05-02 13:30:13+0000 <da_> so this makes sense only if ARPU considers active users and not registered 2011-05-02 13:52:08+0000 smartwhiz (smartwhiz) is now online 2011-05-02 13:52:25+0000 <smartwhiz> hey, just came back after a power failure 2011-05-02 13:52:27+0000 <smartwhiz> :( 2011-05-02 13:53:19+0000 lincoln (lincoln) is now online 2011-05-02 14:00:31+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-05-02 14:44:10+0000 <antoviaque> lincoln: I found the issue for the email you didn't get 2011-05-02 14:44:13+0000 <antoviaque> May 1 23:52:01 farsides postfix/smtp[11168]: 77E2D34036: to=<[email protected]>, relay=mail.comum.org[178.79.152.6]:25, delay=0.61, delays=0.09/0.01/0.37/0.14, dsn=4.7.1, status=deferred (host mail.comum.org[178.79.152.6] said: 450 4.7.1 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [91.121.254.231] (in reply to RCPT TO command)) 2011-05-02 14:44:23+0000 <antoviaque> $ host 91.121.254.231 2011-05-02 14:44:25+0000 <antoviaque> 231.254.121.91.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer hackit.cx. 2011-05-02 14:44:31+0000 <lincoln> humm, your reverse dns :) 2011-05-02 14:44:36+0000 <antoviaque> which has expired - I'm going to change the reverse ;p 2011-05-02 14:44:40+0000 <antoviaque> yep 2011-05-02 14:45:28+0000 <lincoln> hehe, I changed it in my postfix during a fight against spammers. I was receiving more than 300 spams each night :/ 2011-05-02 14:45:48+0000 <antoviaque> try postgrey, it solved all my problems ;p 2011-05-02 14:47:27+0000 <antoviaque> lincoln: ok, reverse changed, but it's going to take a little time to take into account 2011-05-02 14:47:44+0000 <lincoln> humm, thank you for the tip :) 2011-05-02 14:48:02+0000 <lincoln> I'll try it soon :) 2011-05-02 14:48:05+0000 <antoviaque> ahah : ) 2011-05-02 14:48:21+0000 <antoviaque> the only drawback is that the first time you get an email from someone, you have to wait a few minutes 2011-05-02 14:48:41+0000 <antoviaque> But it works so well that I found it really worth the drawback 2011-05-02 14:50:56+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: how do you want to proceed to review Lincoln's change to the debian package? Can I do anything helpful? http://git.comum.org/gitweb.cgi?p=lincoln/cardstories.git;a=commitdiff;h=fee1870d87e8aacff36d39518e4ab39d57d4d216 2011-05-02 14:53:46+0000 <dachary> Hi, this is a fine patch :-) lincoln congratulations. Are you sure the restart is required ? I don't mind really but it may be frowned upon. 2011-05-02 14:53:59+0000 <dachary> I'm not sure though. 2011-05-02 14:54:25+0000 <lincoln> dachary, yep, it is required. Removing a file and reloading makes apache complains :( 2011-05-02 14:54:30+0000 <lincoln> hehe, thank you :) 2011-05-02 14:54:43+0000 <dachary> ok then 2011-05-02 14:57:15+0000 <dachary> lincoln: http://cardstori.es/trac/ticket/9#comment:1 2011-05-02 14:58:04+0000 <lincoln> nice! 2011-05-02 14:58:19+0000 <lincoln> I have to fix my openid provider to be able to comment on trac :/ 2011-05-02 14:58:48+0000 <dachary> I'm busy today but I'm happy about the prospect of uploading your contribution to debian :-) 2011-05-02 14:59:04+0000 <dachary> lincoln: you can use another provider, it's not just openid 2011-05-02 14:59:27+0000 <dachary> I'm busy with other things today, ttyl. 2011-05-02 14:59:40+0000 <lincoln> dachary, ok, thank you for your comments :) 2011-05-02 15:00:18+0000 <antoviaque> so congratz lincoln, you passed the test of the Old Dragon :P 2011-05-02 15:00:35+0000 <lincoln> hehehe, ihuu! 2011-05-02 15:00:45+0000 * antoviaque hopes loic doesn't see that ;p 2011-05-02 15:01:06+0000 <antoviaque> What about you? Did you like working on that task and with us? 2011-05-02 15:01:32+0000 <lincoln> antoviaque, definitely :) 2011-05-02 15:01:41+0000 <antoviaque> ready for more then? :D 2011-05-02 15:02:21+0000 <lincoln> I tried to close more bugs yesterday but I could not work more because other things I had to do at night 2011-05-02 15:02:25+0000 <lincoln> antoviaque, hehe, yup! 2011-05-02 15:03:12+0000 <antoviaque> Yes, no worries - for the first tasks there is the learning curve overhead, quantity don't matter really 2011-05-02 15:04:06+0000 <antoviaque> How do you see this? I mean time wise, how much time and how often would you be able to work for Farside and maintain sanity? : ) 2011-05-02 15:05:56+0000 <lincoln> humm 2011-05-02 15:06:31+0000 <tartarugafeliz> lincoln: congratulations for passing the test of the old french dragon!!! 2011-05-02 15:06:42+0000 <lincoln> tartarugafeliz, hahaha, thank you :) 2011-05-02 15:07:01+0000 <lincoln> hehe, good to don't know it before entering the test :) 2011-05-02 15:08:14+0000 <dachary> the old french dragon blows a bolt of fire toward the young brazilian tortoise 2011-05-02 15:08:16+0000 <antoviaque> ;p 2011-05-02 15:08:40+0000 <tartarugafeliz> the brazilian tortoise has shields agains all sorts of things coming from french old dragons 2011-05-02 15:08:49+0000 <lincoln> antoviaque, as you know, I have another job (not actually working as a tech guy), so would it be reasonable to work something about 20 hours per week? 2011-05-02 15:09:46+0000 <antoviaque> wow, that's a lot - are you sure you'd be able to sustain that rythm on the long term? 2011-05-02 15:10:32+0000 <antoviaque> I don't want to make you burn out : ) 2011-05-02 15:10:40+0000 <antoviaque> But of course if you can, it would be great 2011-05-02 15:11:50+0000 <lincoln> hehe, actually I'm leaving another sysadmin front, so I guess I'll have this time 2011-05-02 15:12:01+0000 <antoviaque> ok, perfect then! 2011-05-02 15:12:32+0000 <lincoln> but we can start with something different. I'm completely open to talk :) 2011-05-02 15:12:59+0000 <antoviaque> it's good with me - I just want to make sure it will be comfortable for you 2011-05-02 15:14:29+0000 <antoviaque> how would you spread those hours? Also keep in mind that we work with deliverables 2011-05-02 15:15:12+0000 <lincoln> I'll be probably focus on weekends, using something about two or three hours on the other days 2011-05-02 15:15:18+0000 <lincoln> *focused 2011-05-02 15:23:06+0000 <antoviaque> ok, so probably the best would be weekly deliverables ? We decide together at the beginning of each we, and then you have the week to get it finished & commited ? What do you think? 2011-05-02 15:23:56+0000 <antoviaque> Or do you prefer to keep a daily basis? Both have advantages and drawbacks 2011-05-02 15:27:14+0000 <antoviaque> lincoln: 2011-05-02 15:28:06+0000 <lincoln> humm, I like the weekly planning, but the updates can be daily :) 2011-05-02 15:29:56+0000 <lincoln> I like the weekly basis cause it is probable that one day or another, I'll not be able to work, specially on days that I have a meeting in a free software association that I'm member 2011-05-02 15:30:03+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-05-02 15:30:12+0000 <lincoln> antoviaque, did you see my last msg? 2011-05-02 15:30:23+0000 <antoviaque> nope, got disconnected 2011-05-02 15:31:11+0000 lincoln (lincoln) is now online 2011-05-02 15:31:21+0000 <antoviaque> aha your turn :) 2011-05-02 15:31:24+0000 <lincoln> hehe 2011-05-02 15:31:31+0000 <lincoln> I like the weekly basis cause it is probable that one day or another, I'll not be able to work, specially on days that I have a meeting in a free software association that I'm member 2011-05-02 15:31:55+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-05-02 15:32:00+0000 <antoviaque> ok then 2011-05-02 15:32:30+0000 lincoln_ (lincoln_) is now online 2011-05-02 15:32:48+0000 <lincoln_> ahh, there's someone with the nick "lincoln" claiming his identity :) 2011-05-02 15:33:14+0000 <antoviaque> ahah, damn, another lincoln? : ) 2011-05-02 15:33:57+0000 <lincoln_> hehe, I staid more than 60 days without connecting here and they stolen my nick :( 2011-05-02 15:34:25+0000 <da_> lincoln_: for the paiement of days how do you want to proceed ? 2011-05-02 15:34:31+0000 <da_> Farsides could release at the end of the month the amount corresponding to the number of days x daily rate if that's ok with you ? 2011-05-02 15:34:59+0000 <lincoln_> yes, it is 2011-05-02 15:35:25+0000 <da_> good 2011-05-02 15:35:56+0000 <da_> there is also a contract that we're preparing currently, I'll send it to you when it's ready 2011-05-02 15:36:09+0000 <lincoln_> ok :) 2011-05-02 15:39:21+0000 <antoviaque> good good! 2011-05-02 15:39:37+0000 <antoviaque> Welcome to Farsides then lincoln_ :D 2011-05-02 15:39:48+0000 <lincoln_> ihuu! Thank you all :) 2011-05-02 15:40:13+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eeeeeeeee!!!!! 2011-05-02 15:40:15+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: you'll need to design a business card for lincoln_ :D 2011-05-02 15:40:22+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok! 2011-05-02 15:40:47+0000 <antoviaque> and maybe for dachary too? :p 2011-05-02 15:41:15+0000 <tartarugafeliz> lincoln_: did you see already our business cards? 2011-05-02 15:41:21+0000 <da_> welcome lincoln_ :-) 2011-05-02 15:41:24+0000 <lincoln_> nops 2011-05-02 15:41:32+0000 <antoviaque> ok I have to run to an April meeting 2011-05-02 15:41:35+0000 <dachary> :-) 2011-05-02 15:41:35+0000 <lincoln_> thank you da_ :) 2011-05-02 15:41:36+0000 <antoviaque> bbl! 2011-05-02 15:41:37+0000 <tartarugafeliz> they contain your name and email but on the other side it has a sentence that you can choose 2011-05-02 15:41:49+0000 <lincoln_> tartarugafeliz, humm, very nice :) 2011-05-02 15:41:58+0000 <tartarugafeliz> so, tell me when you know ok? :) 2011-05-02 15:42:02+0000 <lincoln_> ok 2011-05-02 15:42:07+0000 <tartarugafeliz> dachary: YOU TOO! :D 2011-05-02 15:42:12+0000 <lincoln_> hehehe 2011-05-02 15:43:40+0000 <da_> one more thing about money before i forget lincoln_ :) 2011-05-02 15:44:17+0000 <da_> based on the daily fee we agreed on, what is 20 hours per week ? Something like 2,5 days ? 2011-05-02 15:45:17+0000 <da_> i'll use a number of days in the contract that's why i need that 2011-05-02 15:48:18+0000 <lincoln_> yep, it is the half of a full week :) 2011-05-02 15:48:57+0000 <da_> perfect 2011-05-02 15:49:43+0000 <da_> number of hours worked per week can vary a lot according to the country and the kind of job ;) 2011-05-02 15:51:50+0000 <lincoln_> hehe 2011-05-02 17:15:46+0000 antoviaque2 (antoviaque2) is now online 2011-05-02 17:30:03+0000 AndroUser2 (AndroUser2) is now online 2011-05-02 17:38:34+0000 AndroUser2 (AndroUser2) is now online 2011-05-02 19:19:57+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-05-02 19:47:38+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-05-02 19:48:28+0000 <dachary> back 2011-05-02 19:52:45+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: re : ) 2011-05-02 19:52:50+0000 <dachary> :-D 2011-05-02 19:53:23+0000 <antoviaque> So you found a rails friend ? ;p 2011-05-02 20:26:37+0000 <dachary> maybe :-) 2011-05-02 20:26:51+0000 <dachary> It's to have friend. _______________________________________________ Farsides mailing list - [email protected] Wiki: http://farsides.com/ List: http://farsides.com/ml/ Forum: http://farsides.com/forum/ Ideas: http://farsides.com/ideas/ Chat: http://farsides.com/chat/
