Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2011-05-07.
2011-05-07 00:43:01+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-05-07 04:45:33+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-05-07 05:20:13+0000 lincoln (lincoln) is now online 2011-05-07 08:28:05+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-05-07 09:18:21+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-05-07 09:49:00+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-05-07 11:25:52+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-05-07 11:26:16+0000 <antoviaque> hi dachary 2011-05-07 11:26:21+0000 <antoviaque> had a good travel back? 2011-05-07 11:26:23+0000 <dachary> hey 2011-05-07 11:26:26+0000 <dachary> yes 2011-05-07 11:26:36+0000 <dachary> and now at a wedding in britany 2011-05-07 11:26:50+0000 <antoviaque> Cool agenda :D 2011-05-07 11:27:06+0000 <antoviaque> Lots of hips and burps 2011-05-07 11:27:46+0000 * antoviaque is having fun with the cardstories dock :D 2011-05-07 11:28:09+0000 <antoviaque> Less hips and burps, but fun nonetheless : ) 2011-05-07 13:10:15+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-05-07 13:20:10+0000 lincoln (lincoln) is now online 2011-05-07 13:20:25+0000 <antoviaque> hi lincoln 2011-05-07 13:20:31+0000 <lincoln> antoviaque, hello there :) 2011-05-07 13:21:01+0000 <antoviaque> had a good week aside from your proxy issues? : ) 2011-05-07 13:22:08+0000 <lincoln> antoviaque, hehe, I had a hard week, but it was good 2011-05-07 13:22:13+0000 <lincoln> and you? 2011-05-07 13:24:05+0000 <antoviaque> quite good - it's getting to summer here : ) 2011-05-07 13:24:32+0000 <antoviaque> and I've started some polish work on CS interface, quite cool : ) 2011-05-07 13:31:10+0000 <lincoln> hehe, and we are entering in the winter here, not good! :P 2011-05-07 13:31:47+0000 <antoviaque> ah, your winter is the same weather as my summer, so it should be ok ;p 2011-05-07 13:32:12+0000 <lincoln> hahahaha, definitely 2011-05-07 13:32:20+0000 <antoviaque> Btw let me know when you're ready - I let you arrive peacefully : ) 2011-05-07 13:32:34+0000 <lincoln> ok, I'll just finish a phone call here 2011-05-07 13:32:39+0000 <lincoln> btw, are you going to attend to FISL? 2011-05-07 13:32:40+0000 <antoviaque> np 2011-05-07 13:32:47+0000 <antoviaque> I'd like to yep 2011-05-07 13:32:58+0000 <antoviaque> When is it again? 2011-05-07 13:33:03+0000 <antoviaque> July I think? 2011-05-07 13:33:30+0000 <lincoln> from 29th Jun to 02 JUL 2011-05-07 13:33:51+0000 <antoviaque> ok, after the RMLL (the French equivalent : ) ) 2011-05-07 13:34:30+0000 <lincoln> nice :) 2011-05-07 14:06:51+0000 <lincoln> antoviaque, sorry for the delay, people have rented my ears :P 2011-05-07 14:07:19+0000 <antoviaque> ahah : ) 2011-05-07 14:09:22+0000 <lincoln> so, before effectively starting, I'd like to talk about two small things about my next month 2011-05-07 14:10:30+0000 <antoviaque> yup? 2011-05-07 14:10:47+0000 <lincoln> hehe, actually, I can summarize in only one point :P 2011-05-07 14:11:43+0000 <lincoln> people in my work at the government have suggested my name to help organizing our presentations in FISL, that includes starting the process of releasing software written with public money in free licenses 2011-05-07 14:12:29+0000 <antoviaque> oh cool : ) 2011-05-07 14:12:59+0000 <lincoln> hehe, yup, I was not imagining that this would start so quick! 2011-05-07 14:13:45+0000 <antoviaque> but I thought the new government was hostile ? 2011-05-07 14:14:20+0000 <lincoln> hehe, a lot of parts of it are 2011-05-07 14:14:29+0000 <lincoln> but the Governor itself likes this idea :) 2011-05-07 14:14:46+0000 <antoviaque> ah - when you mean government, you mean the state one : ) 2011-05-07 14:14:52+0000 <lincoln> yup 2011-05-07 14:15:50+0000 <lincoln> the good part of working on the cabinet of the Governor is that you can show him some cool software and say that some things are only possible when it's free 2011-05-07 14:17:17+0000 <antoviaque> yep, that's nice : ) 2011-05-07 14:17:41+0000 <antoviaque> So you're going to focus on that until the FISL? 2011-05-07 14:17:50+0000 <lincoln> exactly :( 2011-05-07 14:18:11+0000 <lincoln> I'm concerned about my commitment of 20h per week 2011-05-07 14:18:48+0000 <antoviaque> No worries - you want to lower it a bit? 2011-05-07 14:18:56+0000 <lincoln> it would be nice :) 2011-05-07 14:19:35+0000 <antoviaque> np - it's a good idea to not target too high 2011-05-07 14:19:46+0000 <antoviaque> how many hours would you rather do? 2011-05-07 14:20:50+0000 <lincoln> what about 10? is that good to you? 2011-05-07 14:21:14+0000 <antoviaque> yup, ok for me 2011-05-07 14:21:45+0000 <lincoln> hehe, so I'm ready to rock :) 2011-05-07 14:22:52+0000 <antoviaque> the only change, since it's a small amount, would be good to really block it in one row, like a long day or a day and a half, if it works for you 2011-05-07 14:23:14+0000 <antoviaque> otherwise it may be harder to find time to meet during the week I think 2011-05-07 14:23:37+0000 <antoviaque> but of course it would have to work for you - if it's hard tell me 2011-05-07 14:24:45+0000 <lincoln> ok 2011-05-07 14:25:14+0000 <antoviaque> all good then 2011-05-07 14:25:25+0000 <antoviaque> and like always don't hesitate, we can adapt stuff as we go 2011-05-07 14:26:32+0000 <antoviaque> So the tasks are still at http://cardstori.es/trac/report/9 - but you'll see that I altered the view, to isolate the available tickets 2011-05-07 14:27:00+0000 <antoviaque> Loic is working on the CMS and has some commits to review 2011-05-07 14:27:15+0000 <antoviaque> on my side I work on improving the usability of jDock 2011-05-07 14:28:06+0000 <lincoln> nice 2011-05-07 14:29:00+0000 <lincoln> so, it is a good idea to kill that unassigned bugs :P 2011-05-07 14:29:40+0000 <antoviaque> Yup - there isn't a lot of them, but you can still make some choices : ) 2011-05-07 14:29:55+0000 <lincoln> hehe, ok 2011-05-07 14:30:03+0000 <antoviaque> You'll see that there is a lot on the design queue: http://cardstori.es/trac/report/9 2011-05-07 14:30:10+0000 <antoviaque> sorry http://cardstori.es/trac/report/10 2011-05-07 14:31:03+0000 <antoviaque> Deborah will work more next week to try to catch up - this should grow the software queue ;p 2011-05-07 14:31:20+0000 <lincoln> hehehe 2011-05-07 14:31:34+0000 <antoviaque> actually there are two in that queue that she finished, but that I haven't checked yet: http://cardstori.es/trac/ticket/21 http://cardstori.es/trac/ticket/38 2011-05-07 14:31:54+0000 <antoviaque> If they interest you you can also pick from those 2011-05-07 14:34:56+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I had plans to work on a polished set of mockups + interactions next wednesday. Will this be ready ? 2011-05-07 14:36:13+0000 <dachary> I'm worried that cardstories is going to have a bad reputation in debian if nothing is done soon. 2011-05-07 14:36:14+0000 <antoviaque> A part, but most likely mot everything - her list has grown a lot with the playtests and the art direction review 2011-05-07 14:36:25+0000 <dachary> It entered debian a two weeks ago. 2011-05-07 14:37:07+0000 <antoviaque> you mean among the users? or the developers? 2011-05-07 14:37:09+0000 <dachary> At the moment if someone downloads the game from debian, the situation is most confusinng 2011-05-07 14:37:15+0000 <antoviaque> ah for sure 2011-05-07 14:37:39+0000 <dachary> If someone comes in cardstori.es the situation is also most confusing 2011-05-07 14:37:44+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-05-07 14:37:52+0000 <dachary> actually, I can hardly think of a situation that is not most confusing ;-) 2011-05-07 14:38:22+0000 <antoviaque> that's why she has proposed to spend 5 days on it next week (full time), to clear up her queue so that we can integrate it 2011-05-07 14:38:47+0000 <antoviaque> but have a look, you'll see that she now has a ton: http://cardstori.es/trac/report/10 2011-05-07 14:39:01+0000 <dachary> That's a problem 2011-05-07 14:39:47+0000 <antoviaque> the UI is very confusing right now, even with people sitting next to me and to whom I explain the rules and work around the bugs, they have a hard time getting it 2011-05-07 14:40:12+0000 <antoviaque> in any case this part is not Deborah's fault, but the game will require a lot of work still to be playable without help 2011-05-07 14:40:14+0000 <dachary> I've been able to play numerous games with Yvi and Agnes, we're not so far from useable. 2011-05-07 14:41:37+0000 <antoviaque> When you know your way, yes, but all the new players I've playtested were extremely confused 2011-05-07 14:42:29+0000 <dachary> ok 2011-05-07 14:43:42+0000 <antoviaque> I think it's normal, it's the first time we really get to see the game running rather than mockups - as long as we keep doing playtests we're on the right track I think 2011-05-07 14:46:02+0000 <antoviaque> Have a look at the artwork list when you have time, and let me know what you think 2011-05-07 14:48:24+0000 <antoviaque> You can also have a look at the art direction review Laurent did on Friday: http://farsides.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/group-documents/10/1304689239-CS_feedback.odt 2011-05-07 14:48:28+0000 <dachary> hum 2011-05-07 14:48:32+0000 <dachary> I did 2011-05-07 14:48:34+0000 <dachary> it's good 2011-05-07 14:49:26+0000 <dachary> Let see how it goes next week. I'm worried that it goes in too many directions and that in a months from now the situation is still confusing. 2011-05-07 14:49:55+0000 <antoviaque> Too many directions? 2011-05-07 14:51:24+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-05-07 14:51:49+0000 <lincoln> dachary, hello there :) 2011-05-07 14:53:17+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: it's just a feeling. 2011-05-07 14:53:45+0000 <antoviaque> ok - if you see stuff that confirms it let me know 2011-05-07 14:53:56+0000 <lincoln> I have tried to git pull to get the latest version of cardstories, but I got nothing, so I though that maybe that problem happened again 2011-05-07 14:54:14+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hi lincoln! :) hi everyone! 2011-05-07 14:54:27+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hi dachary! :D 2011-05-07 14:54:29+0000 <lincoln> tartarugafeliz, hi :) 2011-05-07 14:54:37+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I think the game interaction + artwork needs a few days work and can be playable. If it turns out to require weeks of work, I think we're on the wrong path. 2011-05-07 14:54:42+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: We still have to find a good spot to hold the priorities meeting, but in the meantime we move to fix the accessibility issues shown by the playtests 2011-05-07 14:55:38+0000 <antoviaque> Hmm, I don't think so - if tartarugafeliz spends the whole next week on it, we'll only have the integration left 2011-05-07 14:55:44+0000 <antoviaque> but yep we'll see 2011-05-07 14:56:37+0000 <antoviaque> lincoln: hmm, I'm not sure dachary's repository was updated 2011-05-07 14:56:54+0000 <antoviaque> On my side I maintain https://gitorious.org/~antoviaque/cardstories/antoviaques-cardstories 2011-05-07 14:57:14+0000 <tartarugafeliz> the improvements I'm going to make will give a much more professional feeling to our first version! :) 2011-05-07 14:57:21+0000 <tartarugafeliz> It will be worth the full week! 2011-05-07 14:58:08+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: my point is, mainly, that for such a simple game we should not look at weeks of work but days of work to be able to play. 2011-05-07 14:59:09+0000 <dachary> bbl 2011-05-07 14:59:12+0000 <antoviaque> ideally yup 2011-05-07 14:59:40+0000 <tartarugafeliz> its just one week for me, because I'm not fast as you, dachary!! :P 2011-05-07 14:59:48+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahahah 2011-05-07 14:59:51+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hihihihi 2011-05-07 15:06:39+0000 <antoviaque> lincoln: found the bugs you want to work on? 2011-05-07 15:06:48+0000 <antoviaque> Would be good to list them at the beginning this time ;p 2011-05-07 15:08:01+0000 <lincoln> ahh, sorry for failing to inform, I'm investigating the ticket #12 2011-05-07 15:09:32+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: it's the one about the leak if I remember correctly 2011-05-07 15:10:25+0000 <antoviaque> Not sure if it will be the easiest, but I didn't look at it myself : ) 2011-05-07 15:12:03+0000 <antoviaque> Do you want to take this one on as your deliverable for this week? 2011-05-07 15:12:30+0000 <antoviaque> lincoln: 2011-05-07 15:12:41+0000 <lincoln> that's good for me :) 2011-05-07 15:12:49+0000 <antoviaque> ok then! 2011-05-07 15:13:18+0000 <lincoln> my plans are to work about 5 hours today and more five tomorrow, is that ok? 2011-05-07 15:14:19+0000 <antoviaque> yup - my remark was just to try to concentrate the time you work on the game, but afterwards it's still a weekly deliverable, so you can organize yourself as you want 2011-05-07 15:14:39+0000 <lincoln> ok :) 2011-05-07 15:14:54+0000 <antoviaque> Good luck : ) 2011-05-07 15:15:10+0000 <lincoln> before focusing on this, I'll leave to have some food and find a table, working on my bed is killing my backs :P 2011-05-07 15:15:27+0000 <antoviaque> If you get stuck, let me know - there is that one which blocks game completion (#35)so if this one proves tricky we can switch 2011-05-07 15:15:30+0000 <antoviaque> ok! :D 2011-05-07 15:16:03+0000 <lincoln> antoviaque, ok, I'll be around when working on it and I'll let you know if I have any problem :) 2011-05-07 15:16:31+0000 <lincoln> bbl 2011-05-07 15:16:40+0000 <antoviaque> ok! 2011-05-07 15:25:42+0000 da (da) is now online 2011-05-07 15:52:21+0000 lincoln (lincoln) is now online 2011-05-07 16:07:04+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: thinking of what you said about having a bad reputation in Debian - is there something small that we/I could do to prevent this? Maybe joining the mailing-list discussion that you mentioned? fixing the project home? 2011-05-07 16:15:31+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I don't know what to do. I can only acknowledge that the game cannot be played that the longer it lasts the worst it becomes. Although I'm just a developer, I will feel compeled to resolve the issue in a month from now, even if the required graphics are not available or if the interaction have not been solved. 2011-05-07 16:16:12+0000 <antoviaque> ah yes, this can't stay like this, clearly 2011-05-07 16:18:11+0000 <dachary> back to wedding 2011-05-07 16:18:19+0000 <antoviaque> Let's see where we are by the end of next week, it's a good moment to see where the work on the design is, and how much extra work is needed 2011-05-07 16:18:23+0000 <antoviaque> ok : ) 2011-05-07 16:18:28+0000 <dachary> yu[ 2011-05-07 16:18:31+0000 <dachary> up 2011-05-07 16:18:33+0000 <dachary> yup 2011-05-07 16:18:35+0000 <antoviaque> ;p 2011-05-07 16:20:22+0000 <antoviaque> Commited the first set of changes to the dock. I've refactored even more select_card() to cover all calls to jqDock. Missing work on the labels and the tests though. 2011-05-07 16:20:29+0000 <antoviaque> https://gitorious.org/~antoviaque/cardstories/antoviaques-cardstories/commit/ef3b12add4e86bc44fcb3dfbd24044d4b44a6925 2011-05-07 16:22:42+0000 <antoviaque> I've tried to solve both #7 and #56 at the same time - allowing the cards to overlap, to increase the size of the cards and make the dock readable when it's inactive: http://cardstories.antoviaque.org:4923/static/?skin=create_pick_card 2011-05-07 16:23:14+0000 <antoviaque> The feeling is also much closer to having the cards in our hands 2011-05-07 17:16:21+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-05-07 20:13:48+0000 da (da) is now online 2011-05-07 21:46:28+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I read http://farsides.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/group-documents/10/1304689239-CS_feedback.odt 2011-05-07 21:46:38+0000 <dachary> and I agree with all it says _______________________________________________ Farsides mailing list - [email protected] Wiki: http://farsides.com/ List: http://farsides.com/ml/ Forum: http://farsides.com/forum/ Ideas: http://farsides.com/ideas/ Chat: http://farsides.com/chat/
