Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2011-05-09.
2011-05-09 03:48:26+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-05-09 06:05:27+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-05-09 07:33:56+0000 da (da) is now online 2011-05-09 07:59:08+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-05-09 08:08:46+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-05-09 08:15:56+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-05-09 08:29:48+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-05-09 08:38:11+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-05-09 09:20:12+0000 dachary1 (dachary1) is now online 2011-05-09 09:26:26+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-05-09 10:16:14+0000 <antoviaque> da: https://github.com/kanaka/noVNC 2011-05-09 10:16:25+0000 <antoviaque> if you want to create a group for these things in the buddy press ;p 2011-05-09 10:33:50+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-05-09 11:28:23+0000 Marius (Marius) is now online 2011-05-09 11:28:40+0000 <Marius> Hi David, are u around? 2011-05-09 11:30:06+0000 * Guest87909 slaps da around a bit with a large fishbot 2011-05-09 11:31:14+0000 <da> ha, Marius, you have to pose as Guest87909 when you want to slap me ? :) 2011-05-09 11:31:39+0000 <da> I'm about to leave for lunch, would it be possible for you to talk in a couple of hours from now ? 2011-05-09 11:32:02+0000 <Guest87909> Hi David, I didn't mean it, didn't know what was all about :) 2011-05-09 11:32:10+0000 <Guest87909> yes, sure 2011-05-09 11:32:20+0000 <da> cool 2011-05-09 11:32:22+0000 <Guest87909> please email me when you are around 2011-05-09 11:32:29+0000 <da> I'll ping you when I'm back, yes 2011-05-09 11:32:49+0000 <Guest87909> great. have a nice lunch 2011-05-09 12:25:45+0000 da (da) is now online 2011-05-09 13:07:01+0000 <da> Hi again Guest87909 2011-05-09 13:19:48+0000 <Guest87909> HI David 2011-05-09 13:19:58+0000 <Guest87909> how can I keep my nick name? 2011-05-09 13:19:58+0000 <da> how are you ? 2011-05-09 13:20:09+0000 <Guest87909> fine, thanks 2011-05-09 13:20:10+0000 <da> i have no idea :) 2011-05-09 13:20:39+0000 <da> maybe you could quit the chat and come back as Marius ? But it's ok for me, i know who you are ;) 2011-05-09 13:21:07+0000 <Guest87909> ok, I'll stick with the Guest, because everytime I log in with Marius, but after 1 minute it changed to Guest 2011-05-09 13:21:36+0000 <da> weird... there would be an anti-Marius system within the chat ? 2011-05-09 13:22:03+0000 <da> Xav might have an idea about that when he's back 2011-05-09 13:22:03+0000 <Guest87909> lol 2011-05-09 13:22:12+0000 <da> :) 2011-05-09 13:22:14+0000 <da> so 2011-05-09 13:22:37+0000 <Guest87909> ok 2011-05-09 13:22:51+0000 <da> we discuss the case of candidates who do not fit full time, but rather than nothing we are tempted with part time correct ? 2011-05-09 13:23:06+0000 <da> i understand that it's the same amount of work for you upfront 2011-05-09 13:23:43+0000 <Guest87909> I guess we might consider it as a part-time 2011-05-09 13:23:59+0000 <Guest87909> and have half of the fee attached to it 2011-05-09 13:24:35+0000 <Guest87909> it's rather complicated to count what happen when is not really a part-time 2011-05-09 13:24:56+0000 <Guest87909> so, for instance if you only work with that guy for 1 day/week 2011-05-09 13:25:06+0000 <da> it could actually be any kind of involvement, from one day per month to full time. With a contract that specifies the number of days. 2011-05-09 13:25:19+0000 <da> sorry go ahead 2011-05-09 13:25:49+0000 <Guest87909> I think this situation you won't have it often 2011-05-09 13:26:24+0000 <Guest87909> ussually they involve for at least 3-4 hours/day 2011-05-09 13:26:57+0000 <da> well if you look at the team we have currently : we have some people a couple of days per month, some five days, some 10 days, and we're looking for full-time too 2011-05-09 13:27:14+0000 <da> it's true that with you our primary objective is to find a full time 2011-05-09 13:27:17+0000 <da> person 2011-05-09 13:27:32+0000 <da> but I want to tackle the other cases just in case 2011-05-09 13:28:49+0000 <Guest87909> yes, sure 2011-05-09 13:29:16+0000 <da> i was thinking maybe we could work with you with a package ? Like, for one full time we hire with you (full fee for you), we can also hire two part times where we pay you a fee based on the ratio (number of days) 2011-05-09 13:29:24+0000 <da> Just an idea, what do you think ? 2011-05-09 13:29:51+0000 <da> the idea would be to add flexibility but also to make sure that the primary objective remains to find a full time 2011-05-09 13:30:11+0000 <Guest87909> we can work on a ratio 2011-05-09 13:30:11+0000 <da> or if it's too complicated i'm open to something more simple :) 2011-05-09 13:30:25+0000 <Guest87909> is not that is complicated 2011-05-09 13:30:30+0000 <da> ok 2011-05-09 13:30:32+0000 <Guest87909> just that 2011-05-09 13:31:00+0000 <Guest87909> if the ratio is too small (say 5 days/month) is not worthy for us 2011-05-09 13:31:22+0000 <da> i understand that 2011-05-09 13:31:47+0000 <Guest87909> on the other hand, our primarly objective is for full time 2011-05-09 13:31:52+0000 <da> absolutely 2011-05-09 13:32:18+0000 <da> if you suggest candidates who are top notch we really want to go for full time 2011-05-09 13:32:37+0000 <Guest87909> so if we come accross with a guy which is only available for a couple of hours/ day, instead loosing him we may present him 2011-05-09 13:32:37+0000 <da> it will depend on the level of the candidate and the way he fits in our strange organisation 2011-05-09 13:32:43+0000 <da> yes 2011-05-09 13:33:35+0000 <Guest87909> ok, so if we work on the ratio, then we'll have 22 days contract as 100% and then calculate a procent accordingly? 2011-05-09 13:33:50+0000 <da> yes 2011-05-09 13:33:51+0000 <Guest87909> percent down I mean 2011-05-09 13:34:16+0000 <Guest87909> ok, let's agree on this one 2011-05-09 13:34:25+0000 <Guest87909> one more thing 2011-05-09 13:34:31+0000 <da> for part time there are two possible reasons : either because he's only available a few days per month or because we don't feel he has the profile to be full time. It's according to the test phase where we see how he fits 2011-05-09 13:34:40+0000 <da> sure shoot m 2011-05-09 13:34:42+0000 <da> me 2011-05-09 13:34:58+0000 <Guest87909> is there any limitation to the monthly income? 2011-05-09 13:35:18+0000 <Guest87909> we have a very good guy, experienced with games etc 2011-05-09 13:35:33+0000 <Guest87909> but he is asking for something around 4k usd/monthly 2011-05-09 13:36:46+0000 <da> it's expensive for our budget, but if he is really good and is comfortable with the way we work we should be looking at this kind of profile, yes 2011-05-09 13:37:10+0000 <da> i suggest we don't put a limitation for this first phase 2011-05-09 13:37:27+0000 <da> it will be a way for us to assess the level of the very good candidates 2011-05-09 13:37:47+0000 <Guest87909> ok 2011-05-09 13:38:14+0000 <Guest87909> so, let's finish with the contract part then 2011-05-09 13:38:20+0000 <da> indeed 2011-05-09 13:38:36+0000 <da> and then we can run some tests on your first candidates :) 2011-05-09 13:38:43+0000 <Guest87909> sure 2011-05-09 13:38:58+0000 <Guest87909> will you modify the contract or you want me to do that? 2011-05-09 13:39:22+0000 <da> i'll let you do it if you don't mind :) 2011-05-09 13:40:15+0000 <da> then can you post it like last time ? I can sign it then and send it back to you. 2011-05-09 13:41:20+0000 <Guest87909> sure, IÈll do so 2011-05-09 13:41:25+0000 <Guest87909> I'll 2011-05-09 13:41:32+0000 <da> thanks a lot Marius 2011-05-09 13:41:52+0000 <da> are we good or is there something else we should discuss ? 2011-05-09 13:43:11+0000 <Guest87909> for me everything is ok 2011-05-09 13:43:18+0000 <da> perfect 2011-05-09 13:43:21+0000 <da> for me too 2011-05-09 13:43:21+0000 <Guest87909> I'll update the contract by tomorrow 2011-05-09 13:43:28+0000 <Guest87909> and 2011-05-09 13:43:45+0000 <Guest87909> for the candidates, I think it will be better/easier to send them through mail 2011-05-09 13:44:19+0000 <da> you mean for confidentiality purpose ? 2011-05-09 13:44:22+0000 <Guest87909> also, what I suggest is that some comments to keep them private 2011-05-09 13:44:24+0000 <Guest87909> yes 2011-05-09 13:44:34+0000 <Guest87909> not the cv's in itselfs 2011-05-09 13:44:37+0000 <Guest87909> but our comments 2011-05-09 13:44:49+0000 <da> they don't want their name to be disclosed for instance ? 2011-05-09 13:45:09+0000 <Guest87909> maybe, but my point is not related to that 2011-05-09 13:45:15+0000 <Guest87909> we use to make comments 2011-05-09 13:45:29+0000 <Guest87909> some may be positive, logically most of them 2011-05-09 13:45:41+0000 <Guest87909> but some may be some minus points 2011-05-09 13:45:48+0000 <Guest87909> from our perspective 2011-05-09 13:46:29+0000 <Guest87909> so, if you won't mind for those comments we'll want confidentiality 2011-05-09 13:46:37+0000 <da> understood 2011-05-09 13:46:47+0000 <da> Let me brief Xavier on this point as he will handle the candidates. I guess he'll be ok but he will want the discussions with the candidate to become public as soon as possible. 2011-05-09 13:47:11+0000 <Guest87909> sure, that is your part etc 2011-05-09 13:47:49+0000 <da> I'll get back to you on this one but i think it should be ok 2011-05-09 13:51:17+0000 <da> Guest87909: so, contract to be updated on your side, and on my side i owe you a confirmation on the last point you raised. 2011-05-09 13:51:49+0000 <da> a good end of day to you :) 2011-05-09 13:51:49+0000 <Guest87909> ok, thanks 2011-05-09 13:52:03+0000 <Guest87909> a good day to you too, thanks 2011-05-09 13:52:06+0000 <da> and let's talk soon 2011-05-09 13:52:31+0000 <Guest87909> by wednesday at last, tomorrow, I'll be out after lunch 2011-05-09 13:52:35+0000 <Guest87909> bye 2011-05-09 13:52:53+0000 <da> bye Marius 2011-05-09 16:13:38+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-05-09 17:32:09+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-05-09 22:23:16+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-05-09 22:55:54+0000 romulo (romulo) is now online 2011-05-09 22:55:57+0000 <romulo> hi there =] 2011-05-09 23:07:28+0000 <antoviaque> romulo: hi! 2011-05-09 23:07:37+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, hi there =] 2011-05-09 23:07:40+0000 <antoviaque> how are you? :D 2011-05-09 23:07:55+0000 <romulo> I am fine, thanks. Except from some small problems, everything is ok. 2011-05-09 23:07:58+0000 <romulo> You? 2011-05-09 23:08:07+0000 <antoviaque> oh, nothing bad I hope... 2011-05-09 23:08:13+0000 <antoviaque> Yep, I'm really fine! 2011-05-09 23:08:37+0000 <antoviaque> It's a nice weather over here, and we're having fun developing Card Stories :D 2011-05-09 23:08:59+0000 <romulo> haha thats cool 2011-05-09 23:09:03+0000 <antoviaque> ;p 2011-05-09 23:09:06+0000 <romulo> its kinda hot here, but its ok 2011-05-09 23:09:27+0000 <antoviaque> Ah, it's always hot - you're so lucky with that :) 2011-05-09 23:09:45+0000 <romulo> ewww 2011-05-09 23:09:46+0000 <romulo> i hate it :P 2011-05-09 23:09:49+0000 <romulo> wish it was snowing 2011-05-09 23:09:59+0000 <antoviaque> ahah, be careful what you wish for :p 2011-05-09 23:10:24+0000 <antoviaque> Snow is cool the first day, but then it gets muddy and it's a pain ;p 2011-05-09 23:10:41+0000 <romulo> yeah i know =P 2011-05-09 23:11:06+0000 <antoviaque> You lived in a place which got snow already? 2011-05-09 23:11:17+0000 <romulo> nop, but my mom is from the US 2011-05-09 23:11:50+0000 <antoviaque> ah - yes, then except if she's in LA or Texas, she probably gets a few of that ;p 2011-05-09 23:12:09+0000 <romulo> hehe she is at Boston 2011-05-09 23:12:10+0000 <romulo> =p 2011-05-09 23:12:15+0000 <romulo> Snows like *hell* xD 2011-05-09 23:12:18+0000 <antoviaque> ah, yes, a lot of it then ahah 2011-05-09 23:12:47+0000 <romulo> any of the guys from that other day got active/any luck 2011-05-09 23:12:47+0000 <romulo> ? 2011-05-09 23:13:00+0000 <antoviaque> And you still want some snow - you'll probably get along well with David, he always wants to go live in Canada ;p 2011-05-09 23:13:12+0000 <romulo> yeah, i wish i was in canada too 2011-05-09 23:13:13+0000 <romulo> =p 2011-05-09 23:13:41+0000 <antoviaque> Yep, Lincoln is now working with Farsides : ) 2011-05-09 23:13:56+0000 <romulo> oh, sweet deal 2011-05-09 23:14:19+0000 <antoviaque> But I haven't got new from the others, actually 2011-05-09 23:14:23+0000 <antoviaque> news 2011-05-09 23:14:32+0000 <romulo> hmm maybe they are just shy 2011-05-09 23:14:33+0000 <romulo> =P 2011-05-09 23:15:03+0000 <antoviaque> Ohh, they shouldn't be really - would be very cool to speak to them again 2011-05-09 23:15:34+0000 <antoviaque> And what about you? Want to try out on a task? 2011-05-09 23:15:41+0000 <romulo> Well, would be cool 2011-05-09 23:15:48+0000 <romulo> as long as you dont ask me to do it like, now :P 2011-05-09 23:15:57+0000 <antoviaque> ahaha 2011-05-09 23:16:04+0000 <romulo> thats because i have a test tomorrow 2011-05-09 23:16:06+0000 <antoviaque> Got a lot of stuff to do lately? 2011-05-09 23:16:07+0000 <romulo> and they just told me today 2011-05-09 23:16:09+0000 <romulo> so i gotta study 2011-05-09 23:16:25+0000 <romulo> dunno if i told you, but im a physicist wannabe =D 2011-05-09 23:16:47+0000 <antoviaque> You mention you liked physics yep : ) 2011-05-09 23:16:51+0000 <antoviaque> mentioned 2011-05-09 23:17:04+0000 <antoviaque> Ok, so when would be a good day for the tryout? 2011-05-09 23:17:06+0000 <romulo> Yeah, im a undergrad bachelor in physics 2011-05-09 23:17:14+0000 <romulo> Tomorrow on 2011-05-09 23:17:24+0000 <romulo> You can just send the task through email 2011-05-09 23:17:30+0000 <romulo> and tell me when to deliver it 2011-05-09 23:17:34+0000 <antoviaque> I used to really like physics - but then got some bad professor in undergrad, and I lost interest :/ 2011-05-09 23:17:49+0000 <romulo> thats very common :/ 2011-05-09 23:18:42+0000 <romulo> any problem in doing that? 2011-05-09 23:18:58+0000 <antoviaque> Ok - so the way we usually work is that we meet up in the morning (or at a time that fits well with everyone), we look at the list of bugs/features and we decide together of a deliverable meant to take about one day of work 2011-05-09 23:19:16+0000 <antoviaque> This way you also get a say in what you work on 2011-05-09 23:19:28+0000 <antoviaque> Since it's always nicer to work on something that interest you more 2011-05-09 23:20:00+0000 <romulo> cool 2011-05-09 23:20:11+0000 <romulo> So, what time (GMT) should i show up? 2011-05-09 23:20:22+0000 <antoviaque> What time is good for you? 2011-05-09 23:20:34+0000 <antoviaque> Me this time is a bit late, it's about 1am 2011-05-09 23:20:47+0000 <antoviaque> But any time earlier during the day should do it 2011-05-09 23:25:03+0000 <romulo> im @ gmt -3 2011-05-09 23:25:15+0000 <antoviaque> here GMT+2 2011-05-09 23:25:18+0000 <romulo> hmm 2011-05-09 23:25:20+0000 <antoviaque> Maybe at the beginning of your day? 2011-05-09 23:25:41+0000 <antoviaque> What are the times of the day while you're busy? 2011-05-09 23:25:42+0000 <romulo> yeah, im @ work at the morning but i can clearly discuss and accept the task 2011-05-09 23:25:58+0000 <romulo> and work on it on arrival (11pm @ gmt+2) 2011-05-09 23:26:22+0000 <antoviaque> Yep 2011-05-09 23:26:50+0000 <romulo> ok, so this is fine 2011-05-09 23:26:57+0000 <romulo> tomorrow @ 9am (GMT-3) 2011-05-09 23:26:59+0000 <romulo> ok? 2011-05-09 23:27:02+0000 <romulo> or 10am 2011-05-09 23:27:18+0000 <antoviaque> as you prefer 2011-05-09 23:27:30+0000 <antoviaque> it's 2 or 3pm, so it's really fine with me both ways 2011-05-09 23:27:33+0000 <romulo> great, so i get on between 9 and 10 am tomorrow 2011-05-09 23:27:35+0000 <romulo> =] 2011-05-09 23:27:49+0000 <antoviaque> Perfect : ) 2011-05-09 23:27:54+0000 <romulo> awesome 2011-05-09 23:28:29+0000 <antoviaque> Ah and another important thing: how much do you charge for a day of work? 2011-05-09 23:28:43+0000 <romulo> i have no idea how much i should :P 2011-05-09 23:28:51+0000 <romulo> can you suggest any amount? and then i say if its good or not 2011-05-09 23:28:58+0000 <antoviaque> hmm, let me check 2011-05-09 23:29:12+0000 <antoviaque> the way we try to do it, is to base it upon the cost of life 2011-05-09 23:29:36+0000 <romulo> hmm 2011-05-09 23:29:42+0000 <romulo> but like - minimum cost? 2011-05-09 23:29:46+0000 <antoviaque> The idea is that everyone gets to afford the same way of life 2011-05-09 23:29:50+0000 <antoviaque> no no 2011-05-09 23:30:13+0000 <antoviaque> Usually it give higher rates than the local market in Brazil 2011-05-09 23:30:28+0000 <antoviaque> Let me try to see for Belo Horizonte 2011-05-09 23:31:24+0000 <antoviaque> So 2011-05-09 23:32:27+0000 <antoviaque> The base we do in France is around 200-250 euros/day depending on the number of days taken in the month. 2011-05-09 23:34:09+0000 <antoviaque> http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=France&country2=Brazil&city1=Paris&city2=Belo+Horizonte shows that Belo Horizonte is at about half of the price of cost of life, so it would give 250/2 euros = 290 reais for one day, and 200/2= 230 reais/day for a few days in the month 2011-05-09 23:34:21+0000 <antoviaque> Does that sound good for you? 2011-05-09 23:34:27+0000 <romulo> it does. 2011-05-09 23:34:49+0000 <antoviaque> Ok perfect 2011-05-09 23:35:06+0000 <romulo> ok, then we will talk more about it at morning? 2011-05-09 23:35:13+0000 <antoviaque> Yup! 2011-05-09 23:35:26+0000 <romulo> cool 2011-05-09 23:35:39+0000 <romulo> sorry for being so quick 2011-05-09 23:35:40+0000 <antoviaque> I'll probably code a bit too today, so we can chat about what you would prefer working on 2011-05-09 23:35:47+0000 <romulo> exams sucks :/ 2011-05-09 23:35:50+0000 <antoviaque> No, no problem : ) 2011-05-09 23:35:55+0000 <romulo> great =] 2011-05-09 23:35:59+0000 <romulo> ill be back later today hopefully 2011-05-09 23:36:00+0000 <antoviaque> Actually I'll be happy to join my bed ;p 2011-05-09 23:36:07+0000 <antoviaque> ok! 2011-05-09 23:36:40+0000 <antoviaque> I'll be back around 7-8am GMT+2, so maybe we'll meet again then ;p 2011-05-09 23:36:42+0000 <romulo> be back later =] 2011-05-09 23:36:51+0000 <romulo> im always at #game_art too =] 2011-05-09 23:36:53+0000 <antoviaque> good luck with the exam preparation : ) 2011-05-09 23:37:01+0000 <antoviaque> ahhh 2011-05-09 23:37:04+0000 * antoviaque joins 2011-05-09 23:37:43+0000 <antoviaque> See you tomorrow : ) 2011-05-09 23:37:50+0000 <romulo> see you, good night
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