Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2011-05-17.
2011-05-17 01:08:00+0000 <rogerio> Xavier 2011-05-17 01:08:04+0000 <rogerio> Are you there? 2011-05-17 01:08:27+0000 <rogerio> antoviaque: Xavier, are you there? 2011-05-17 04:41:38+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-05-17 05:06:44+0000 rogerio (rogerio) is now online 2011-05-17 07:34:12+0000 <da> rogerio: hi there, are you around ? 2011-05-17 07:34:35+0000 <da> I'm David, Xavier's associate 2011-05-17 07:34:52+0000 <da> nice to meet you and welcome aboard :) 2011-05-17 07:35:39+0000 <da> can you please provide me with your email ? it would be easier if we have it 2011-05-17 07:36:05+0000 <da> bbl 2011-05-17 08:15:16+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-05-17 08:17:11+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-05-17 08:19:18+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-05-17 08:19:38+0000 <dachary> rogerio: good morning / night 2011-05-17 08:19:40+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: \o/ 2011-05-17 08:19:46+0000 <antoviaque> hello : ) 2011-05-17 08:27:40+0000 <dachary> http://cardstori.es/trac/changeset/da06b3319e1f9b6e48812672736bb8525ec882c3/ can be seen at http://cardstori.es/?skin=vote_voter_wait 2011-05-17 08:53:31+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-05-17 09:23:17+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: --game-timeout 2592000 (i.e. 1 month) on cardstori.es 2011-05-17 09:23:23+0000 <dachary> and server restarted 2011-05-17 09:24:43+0000 <antoviaque> thanks : ) 2011-05-17 09:44:09+0000 <da> just ended a call with tata (http://www.tata.com/), they're looking for partnerships in game industry. Don't know yet what will come of that but could be fun to work with them (would mean a few trips to mumbai :)) 2011-05-17 09:44:48+0000 <antoviaque> antoviaque looking at the link 2011-05-17 09:44:57+0000 <da> antoviaque: you're supposed to out of office today ! 2011-05-17 09:45:00+0000 <antoviaque> What kind of organization is it? consulting? 2011-05-17 09:45:04+0000 <antoviaque> ahahaha 2011-05-17 09:45:15+0000 <antoviaque> only yesterday, too much stuff piled up ;p 2011-05-17 09:45:16+0000 <da> Tata does everything, it's a monster in india 2011-05-17 09:45:29+0000 <da> it's the local world company 2011-05-17 09:45:48+0000 <antoviaque> huhu, and they are nice chaps? ;p 2011-05-17 09:45:55+0000 <da> hmmm 2011-05-17 09:45:59+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahah 2011-05-17 09:46:04+0000 <da> :) 2011-05-17 09:46:21+0000 <antoviaque> Why not though - what are they looking for? 2011-05-17 09:47:17+0000 <da> they want to enter the market, they don't know how yet. There'll be another meeting next week i should learn more 2011-05-17 09:48:06+0000 <da> they are already in animation => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tata_Elxsi 2011-05-17 09:48:14+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: http://farsides.com/blog/activity/p/621/ => question for you about lynda : ) 2011-05-17 09:51:41+0000 <tartarugafeliz> !!!! I just replied⦠like 2 minutes ago! wow, we're really connected 2011-05-17 09:52:27+0000 <da> antoviaque: tartarugafeliz that's a true sign of love 2011-05-17 09:53:31+0000 <antoviaque> wow :D 2011-05-17 09:54:10+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ;-) 2011-05-17 09:56:25+0000 <antoviaque> replied back ;p 2011-05-17 09:56:49+0000 <antoviaque> antoviaque reloads the page to make sure tartarugafeliz hasn't replied back in the meantime :p 2011-05-17 09:57:04+0000 <antoviaque> ah, you're fast!! 2011-05-17 09:57:28+0000 tempuramerino (tempuramerino) is now online 2011-05-17 09:57:35+0000 <antoviaque> tempuramerino: hi pit! 2011-05-17 09:58:39+0000 <da> hello tempuramerino :) 2011-05-17 10:00:00+0000 <dachary> http://dachary.org/?p=480 2011-05-17 10:23:45+0000 tempuramerino (tempuramerino) is now online 2011-05-17 10:24:50+0000 <rogerio> Ãa va! Bonjour! 2011-05-17 10:25:08+0000 <antoviaque> rogerio: Bonjour :D 2011-05-17 10:25:08+0000 <rogerio> antoviaque: Hi Xavier 2011-05-17 10:25:43+0000 <rogerio> I posted the patches on trac 2011-05-17 10:25:51+0000 <antoviaque> I've seen your emails (and answered) - congratz for the work : ) 2011-05-17 10:25:54+0000 <antoviaque> ah cool! 2011-05-17 10:26:02+0000 <rogerio> the tickets #70 and 64# 2011-05-17 10:26:26+0000 <rogerio> but, I think I had a colision 2011-05-17 10:27:04+0000 <rogerio> because, when I looked the ticked #64 today, I saw that Romulo already attached a patch there 2011-05-17 10:27:20+0000 <rogerio> so, I didn't know he was taking this task 2011-05-17 10:27:44+0000 <rogerio> then the task was made twice 2011-05-17 10:28:24+0000 <rogerio> his solution is better, he also created the tests 2011-05-17 10:29:04+0000 <antoviaque> yup, the issue is that romulo didn't assign the task to himself 2011-05-17 10:29:16+0000 <rogerio> hmm 2011-05-17 10:29:30+0000 <antoviaque> It will be worth discussing this when he arrives, so that we don't end up in this situation again 2011-05-17 10:29:41+0000 <rogerio> neither I did this, :) 2011-05-17 10:29:49+0000 <antoviaque> ahah, yep : ) 2011-05-17 10:30:13+0000 <antoviaque> I guess it's my fault, I should have asked you both to do this - I didn't think you would need to switch task 2011-05-17 10:30:50+0000 <antoviaque> But don't worry, it will still count as a task - you ha no way to know so you shouldn't be penalized for this 2011-05-17 10:30:54+0000 <antoviaque> had 2011-05-17 10:31:32+0000 <antoviaque> Get #70 accepted and it will be fine : ) 2011-05-17 10:31:34+0000 <rogerio> no problem Xavier, I should assign 2011-05-17 10:31:45+0000 <rogerio> great 2011-05-17 10:33:04+0000 <rogerio> so, what goes next? 2011-05-17 10:35:19+0000 <rogerio> antoviaque: about the Ticket #61 2011-05-17 10:35:27+0000 <antoviaque> So now you will get your code reviewed by dachary, so you'll just need to follow the ticket 2011-05-17 10:35:41+0000 <rogerio> I understand 2011-05-17 10:36:53+0000 <antoviaque> About #61, you can either post your issues on the ticket, or discuss it here - if I or dachary have ideas about how to solve the issue you faced you can try again if you want 2011-05-17 10:37:08+0000 <rogerio> Xavier, is there a problem to make the meet in the morning and then work tonight? 2011-05-17 10:37:47+0000 <rogerio> as I did yesterday 2011-05-17 10:38:20+0000 <antoviaque> not at all 2011-05-17 10:38:56+0000 <antoviaque> the only issue is for you, to get enough support in the chat - as when you perform the tasks the French are sleeping ;p 2011-05-17 10:39:14+0000 <rogerio> I understand 2011-05-17 10:39:43+0000 <antoviaque> rogerio: btw one thing concerning the discussion we had about prices yesterday - when I talked to David afterwards I realized he had started an in-depth discussion about degressivity (ie how the price per day is lowered depending on the number of days done per month). So the price per task we agreed on for the test tasks is still ok (320 if I remember correctly), but we'll need to finish that other discussion before agreeing 2011-05-17 10:39:45+0000 <antoviaque> on a price for the full time. Is that ok? 2011-05-17 10:39:58+0000 * dachary integrating da changes 2011-05-17 10:40:14+0000 <da> hurray 2011-05-17 10:40:36+0000 <da> hi rogerio :) 2011-05-17 10:40:43+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: please hold, there is ONE customer ahead of you in the queue 2011-05-17 10:40:48+0000 <rogerio> hi 2011-05-17 10:40:52+0000 <da> nice to meet you and welcome here 2011-05-17 10:41:07+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: what what? 2011-05-17 10:41:12+0000 <rogerio> my pleasure da 2011-05-17 10:41:19+0000 <da> yay i'm first antoviaque ;) 2011-05-17 10:41:20+0000 <antoviaque> antoviaque thinks dachary is getting crazyier every day 2011-05-17 10:41:45+0000 <rogerio> :) 2011-05-17 10:42:26+0000 <antoviaque> rogerio: did you see my question about the prices? sorry about that, my bad 2011-05-17 10:42:41+0000 <rogerio> yes, I'm answaring 2011-05-17 10:42:46+0000 <antoviaque> ok, sorry : ) 2011-05-17 10:43:03+0000 <dachary> da: I suggest you set your mail + name for git 2011-05-17 10:43:05+0000 <dachary> commit 822f1e7d2eab32fdadb2cb3a8840acb82a208d07 2011-05-17 10:43:05+0000 <dachary> Author: da <da@da-portable-ubuntu.(none)> 2011-05-17 10:43:05+0000 <dachary> Date: Sun May 15 18:00:26 2011 +0200 2011-05-17 10:43:24+0000 <antoviaque> antoviaque is happy to not be the one being reviewed today :p 2011-05-17 10:43:29+0000 <da> sure i will 2011-05-17 10:43:53+0000 <rogerio> antoviaque: about the contract. I'm afraid to quit my current job and after assume this new job don't being safety 2011-05-17 10:44:18+0000 <antoviaque> what bothers you? 2011-05-17 10:44:44+0000 <rogerio> so, after few days or months, the projects is over and I stay with no job 2011-05-17 10:44:45+0000 <da> dachary: i followed antoviaque advice on everything i did (because i'm a newbie) so if there's any issue he's the one to blame. Thanks in advance ;) 2011-05-17 10:45:04+0000 <antoviaque> rahhhh, damned :p 2011-05-17 10:45:34+0000 <antoviaque> rogerio: ah, yes, it's always a risk with startups - I won't lie and say this can't happen 2011-05-17 10:45:54+0000 <rogerio> yes 2011-05-17 10:46:00+0000 <dachary> :-) da this is not mandatory, only easier to read 2011-05-17 10:46:13+0000 <da> yep 2011-05-17 10:46:15+0000 <antoviaque> rogerio: But of course everyone's goal is to make sure we are successful 2011-05-17 10:46:16+0000 <rogerio> I really want to quit my current job 2011-05-17 10:47:10+0000 <rogerio> but if I don't have pretty sure what could happen in future, I can't quit my current job now 2011-05-17 10:47:29+0000 <antoviaque> The thing is - in no company you're never sure you won't be laid off or the company would fail at some point 2011-05-17 10:47:51+0000 <antoviaque> In that regard we don't have better guarantee than anyone else 2011-05-17 10:48:38+0000 <rogerio> yes, I know, but, here in Brazil, If they give up me someday, I have some benefits after that as safety 2011-05-17 10:48:52+0000 <antoviaque> But if you chose to join, you'd work on a project you like - and if the studio is successful, you'd have an edge over those who stayed in a less good job 2011-05-17 10:49:08+0000 <rogerio> I understand 2011-05-17 10:49:11+0000 <antoviaque> Ah - so what you're afraid is that you wouldn't get this from Farsides if it happened? 2011-05-17 10:50:11+0000 <rogerio> I was thinking not working fulltime 2011-05-17 10:50:19+0000 <dachary> da: http://cardstori.es/trac/changeset/822f1e7d2eab32fdadb2cb3a8840acb82a208d07 you used "ticket 69" which is not enough for your change to show at http://cardstori.es/trac/ticket/69 . You should use ref#69 2011-05-17 10:51:17+0000 <rogerio> I don't want to quit my job now, so maybe I can help using 4 or 6 hours a day doing tasks, and weekends if needed 2011-05-17 10:51:36+0000 <antoviaque> rogerio: I'm wondering, what would give you an equivalent of the safety you'd get from a company in Brazil? 2011-05-17 10:51:51+0000 <da> dachary: ok i'll look at this this afternoon i've gotta go now 2011-05-17 10:52:35+0000 <da> antoviaque: rogerio i need to leave for lunch, i'll be back later and look at the log to see if i can help with your current conversation 2011-05-17 10:52:41+0000 <da> bbl 2011-05-17 10:53:08+0000 <rogerio> here in Brazil for example exists the "unemployment insurance" 2011-05-17 10:53:41+0000 <rogerio> so, if the company fires you, you have this insurance for 4 months 2011-05-17 10:54:23+0000 <antoviaque> I see - is there any way to make you benefit from it within Farsides? 2011-05-17 10:55:42+0000 <rogerio> can Farsides make some kind of guarantee? 2011-05-17 10:56:15+0000 <rogerio> kind 2 months of insurance, just for me to find another job if the project get over 2011-05-17 10:57:00+0000 <antoviaque> It's something to think about yup 2011-05-17 10:57:17+0000 <rogerio> if the project get over, I'll need to find another job very soon and this is not too easy to do here 2011-05-17 10:57:42+0000 <rogerio> or we maybe can work together, but not fulltime 2011-05-17 10:58:31+0000 <rogerio> what do you prefer? fulltime? 2011-05-17 10:58:32+0000 <antoviaque> The way it works (at least in France) for unemployment, is that a portion of the salary is kept on the side, to allow to fund unemployment insurance 2011-05-17 10:59:00+0000 <rogerio> hmm 2011-05-17 10:59:04+0000 <antoviaque> It would be very useful for the project to have at least one full time coder yep 2011-05-17 10:59:18+0000 <antoviaque> So for this I see two possible options: 2011-05-17 10:59:39+0000 <antoviaque> 1) We try to see if there is a way to subscribe to the unemployment insurance scheme in Brazil 2011-05-17 11:01:30+0000 <antoviaque> This way it's paid for and if it happens you are covered 2011-05-17 11:02:26+0000 <rogerio> antoviaque: about the price you told me before: how much would be per month, for a full time job? 2011-05-17 11:02:49+0000 <antoviaque> 2) We can simply use the contractual close in the contract, to warn you 2 or 3 months in advance and give you more time to look for a job 2011-05-17 11:03:40+0000 <rogerio> I understand 2011-05-17 11:03:58+0000 <antoviaque> rogerio: that's the part where we would need to finish discussing the degressivity 2011-05-17 11:04:09+0000 <antoviaque> the idea is to make sure it's faire for everyone 2011-05-17 11:04:14+0000 <antoviaque> fair 2011-05-17 11:04:21+0000 <rogerio> the project can belongs how much time do you thing? 2011-05-17 11:04:28+0000 <antoviaque> belong? 2011-05-17 11:04:42+0000 <rogerio> duration 2011-05-17 11:05:17+0000 <rogerio> just to give me an ideia 2011-05-17 11:05:44+0000 <antoviaque> ah - hopefully for centuries : ) 2011-05-17 11:05:51+0000 <rogerio> hehehehehehehehehehehe 2011-05-17 11:05:53+0000 <rogerio> :) 2011-05-17 11:06:01+0000 <rogerio> I hope too!! 2011-05-17 11:06:07+0000 <antoviaque> If you're asking about visibility, right now there is enough money to cover everything until the beginning of autumn 2011-05-17 11:06:35+0000 <rogerio> septembre? 2011-05-17 11:07:03+0000 <antoviaque> it depends how much we spend, but yes, until september/october 2011-05-17 11:07:12+0000 <antoviaque> Basically every "turn" of investor, we'll have money for another duration of time 2011-05-17 11:07:38+0000 <rogerio> hmm, I understand 2011-05-17 11:07:57+0000 <rogerio> so, maybe, if I quit my job, I need to get "maybe" prepared for 2011-05-17 11:08:01+0000 <rogerio> september 2011-05-17 11:08:02+0000 <rogerio> :) 2011-05-17 11:08:18+0000 <antoviaque> Yes, it's always good to be cautious : ) 2011-05-17 11:08:28+0000 <rogerio> ok, I'll think about that 2011-05-17 11:08:59+0000 <antoviaque> But we have already good leads for a second turn, so hopefully this shouldn't be too worrysome 2011-05-17 11:09:00+0000 <rogerio> but will help me think knowing how much per month 2011-05-17 11:09:45+0000 <antoviaque> what we can do about that is discuss the price per month as soon as da comes back 2011-05-17 11:09:57+0000 <antoviaque> this way we should be able to sort it out together 2011-05-17 11:10:09+0000 <rogerio> I understand 2011-05-17 11:10:43+0000 <antoviaque> And you'll have all the elements to think about it 2011-05-17 11:10:52+0000 <rogerio> yes 2011-05-17 11:11:51+0000 <rogerio> xavier, a have to go soon, to my current job 2011-05-17 11:12:11+0000 <rogerio> theres is another task for me tonight? 2011-05-17 11:12:22+0000 <rogerio> or may I wait for the review? 2011-05-17 11:12:25+0000 <antoviaque> ok - I don't know when da will be back, but if you stick around on IRC we should find a time to finish the discussion 2011-05-17 11:12:38+0000 <antoviaque> You can take on another task yep 2011-05-17 11:12:46+0000 <antoviaque> Which one(s) would you like to work on? 2011-05-17 11:13:08+0000 <rogerio> let me see 2011-05-17 11:14:17+0000 <antoviaque> Btw it's actually half a day tasks, while you're still at your job, right? 2011-05-17 11:14:34+0000 <antoviaque> Or do you prefer to take on a full day task and spread it over two days? 2011-05-17 11:15:29+0000 <rogerio> for me any one it's ok 2011-05-17 11:16:20+0000 <rogerio> the problem is that the most task on (http://cardstori.es/trac/report/9) I could not understand properly the description 2011-05-17 11:16:27+0000 <antoviaque> ok - we can start with half day tasks then, and if you realize that it gives chunks of work that are too small (or that you can't take on big tasks this way), we can always switch 2011-05-17 11:16:38+0000 <antoviaque> yep, it's hard to understand the context on some tasks 2011-05-17 11:16:46+0000 <antoviaque> But we can discuss some of them 2011-05-17 11:17:00+0000 <antoviaque> Or you can tell me what you usually like to work on, and I can try to find some that fit 2011-05-17 11:18:37+0000 <rogerio> I have to pick one of those in http://cardstori.es/trac/report/9, am I right? 2011-05-17 11:19:23+0000 <rogerio> I was think tackle this one: http://cardstori.es/trac/ticket/15 2011-05-17 11:20:32+0000 <rogerio> or maybe this one: http://cardstori.es/trac/ticket/35 2011-05-17 11:21:28+0000 <antoviaque> let me see 2011-05-17 11:22:19+0000 <antoviaque> #35 could be tricky, the bug isn't completly specified so you may have troubles identifying a good reproduction use case 2011-05-17 11:22:32+0000 <rogerio> yes 2011-05-17 11:22:39+0000 <rogerio> so, look that: http://cardstori.es/trac/ticket/65 2011-05-17 11:22:55+0000 <rogerio> this task is now pretty clear to me 2011-05-17 11:23:01+0000 <rogerio> now = not 2011-05-17 11:23:12+0000 <antoviaque> #15 seem good yep - you may want to do it along with #71 which is the actual HTML code containing GAME_URL 2011-05-17 11:23:26+0000 <dachary> da http://cardstori.es/trac/ticket/69#comment:5 and http://cardstori.es/trac/ticket/69#comment:6 2011-05-17 11:23:53+0000 <antoviaque> rogerio: yes, #65 describes a bug that hasn't been precisely identified, so it's confusing 2011-05-17 11:24:10+0000 <dachary> rogerio: would you be so kind as to remind me which patch I should review ? 2011-05-17 11:24:22+0000 <antoviaque> what is described is just what was done when the bug happened, not what to fix/do precisely 2011-05-17 11:24:30+0000 <rogerio> dachary: the Ticket #70 2011-05-17 11:25:13+0000 <antoviaque> I'll have to go to lunch very soon *hungry* : ) 2011-05-17 11:25:25+0000 <rogerio> dachary: and also the ticket #64 2011-05-17 11:25:30+0000 <antoviaque> rogerio: you opt for #15 & #71 ? 2011-05-17 11:26:18+0000 <antoviaque> (#71 is just applying a patch once #15 is done) 2011-05-17 11:26:32+0000 <dachary> da #63 + #69 have been installed and can be viewed at http://cardstori.es/?skin 2011-05-17 11:27:05+0000 <rogerio> antoviaque: yes, for me it's ok, #15 & #71 2011-05-17 11:27:13+0000 <rogerio> I'm sorry Xavier, you can go now 2011-05-17 11:27:31+0000 <rogerio> I have to go as well 2011-05-17 11:27:38+0000 <antoviaque> rogerio: perfect - thanks! 2011-05-17 11:27:44+0000 <rogerio> I'll be late in my job 2011-05-17 11:27:45+0000 <antoviaque> good luck : ) 2011-05-17 11:27:55+0000 <antoviaque> sorry about that - hope it won't be an issue 2011-05-17 11:28:01+0000 <dachary> rogerio: I don't see a test case for http://cardstori.es/trac/ticket/70 . Am I missing something ? 2011-05-17 11:28:06+0000 <rogerio> no problem at all 2011-05-17 11:28:43+0000 <rogerio> dachary: I didn't made test case 70, :( 2011-05-17 11:28:46+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: I think that one is my fault - I don't think I mentioned the tests to rogerio 2011-05-17 11:29:28+0000 <rogerio> dachary: really sorry, can I make this tonight? 2011-05-17 11:29:46+0000 <dachary> rogerio: :-) If you don't mind, I would prefer reviewing the patch once the tests are done. I'm in no hurry ;-) 2011-05-17 11:29:53+0000 * dachary reviewing 64 2011-05-17 11:30:07+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: rogerio did the test for #64 2011-05-17 11:30:21+0000 <rogerio> no I didn't 2011-05-17 11:30:25+0000 <rogerio> it was Romulod 2011-05-17 11:30:35+0000 <rogerio> the romulo patch 2011-05-17 11:31:11+0000 <rogerio> you'll will see two patches attached 2011-05-17 11:31:41+0000 <rogerio> my patch is too simple, without test 2011-05-17 11:32:04+0000 <rogerio> the romulo's patch seems to be better than my pacth 2011-05-17 11:32:08+0000 <rogerio> patch 2011-05-17 11:32:43+0000 <dachary> ah 2011-05-17 11:33:16+0000 <rogerio> so, I'll make the tests for the #70 tonight, ok? 2011-05-17 11:33:33+0000 <dachary> rogerio: ok 2011-05-17 11:33:36+0000 <rogerio> I have to go now, I'm late 2011-05-17 11:33:41+0000 <dachary> rogerio: see you 2011-05-17 11:33:44+0000 <rogerio> sorry 2011-05-17 11:34:12+0000 <rogerio> have you all a good work today, nice lunch for you too 2011-05-17 11:34:26+0000 <rogerio> see you soon 2011-05-17 11:34:38+0000 <rogerio> bonjour! 2011-05-17 12:34:52+0000 romulo (romulo) is now online 2011-05-17 12:34:57+0000 <romulo> morning =] 2011-05-17 12:35:14+0000 <antoviaque> hi romulo : ) 2011-05-17 12:35:35+0000 <antoviaque> How are you? 2011-05-17 12:35:43+0000 <romulo> im fine, thanks. You? 2011-05-17 12:45:54+0000 <antoviaque> very good : ) 2011-05-17 12:46:06+0000 <antoviaque> dachary told me your task went fine 2011-05-17 12:46:15+0000 <romulo> yesterday one? 2011-05-17 12:46:30+0000 <antoviaque> Ah, one thing - you and rogerio ended up taking on the same ticket 2011-05-17 12:46:39+0000 <romulo> oh T_T 2011-05-17 12:46:46+0000 <antoviaque> Because rogerio had to switch task while I was away 2011-05-17 12:47:11+0000 <antoviaque> So one way to avoid this is to systematically attribute a task to ourself when we start working on it 2011-05-17 12:47:18+0000 <romulo> yeah, exactly. 2011-05-17 12:47:21+0000 <antoviaque> ("accept" it) 2011-05-17 12:47:57+0000 <romulo> alright 2011-05-17 12:48:16+0000 <antoviaque> Do you know which task(s) you'll try to tackle today? 2011-05-17 12:48:23+0000 <romulo> not yet, trying to decide 2011-05-17 12:48:25+0000 <romulo> any suggestion? 2011-05-17 12:48:31+0000 <antoviaque> Let me see 2011-05-17 12:50:38+0000 <romulo> By the way, i forgot to ask you how you are sending money to foreigns 2011-05-17 12:50:45+0000 <romulo> Western Union? Paypal? 2011-05-17 12:51:17+0000 <antoviaque> That part is more with David, but usually any way you prefer - we already did Paypal and bank transfer 2011-05-17 12:51:50+0000 <romulo> ah ok 2011-05-17 12:52:06+0000 <romulo> Well, no worried yet about it. I can discuss it with David later. 2011-05-17 12:52:10+0000 <romulo> not* 2011-05-17 12:52:15+0000 <antoviaque> For the task - it's likely to not fit in 1/2 day, but that one would be very helpful: http://cardstori.es/trac/ticket/21 2011-05-17 12:52:58+0000 <antoviaque> It's still attributed to tartarugafeliz because she needs to send source files, but there is work to do on top of the actual design implementation 2011-05-17 12:54:15+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok, I can give you tomorrow 2011-05-17 12:55:22+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, those look like popup boxes to me :P 2011-05-17 12:55:38+0000 <romulo> but looks cool for emails 2011-05-17 12:55:39+0000 <antoviaque> It's email reminders : ) 2011-05-17 12:55:46+0000 <romulo> yeah i know :P 2011-05-17 12:55:50+0000 <romulo> just saying it looks like popup xD 2011-05-17 12:56:28+0000 <antoviaque> The thing is, you can probably stretch the background - it's small to be visible on a small mailer window 2011-05-17 12:56:39+0000 <antoviaque> see it as the minimal size 2011-05-17 12:57:00+0000 <romulo> so, i should use the designed images to send an invitation email (as html) ? 2011-05-17 12:57:14+0000 <romulo> by invitation i mean, invitation/status/etc 2011-05-17 12:57:14+0000 <antoviaque> Yep 2011-05-17 12:57:56+0000 <antoviaque> You'll need to cut & integrate the images though (text as font to be displayed even if images don't show, link on the button, etc.) 2011-05-17 12:58:23+0000 <antoviaque> That's where you'll need at least the source files from tartaruga 2011-05-17 12:59:07+0000 <antoviaque> But before that there is some work, so for half a day job you could focus on the sending of emails 2011-05-17 12:59:44+0000 <antoviaque> But as you want 2011-05-17 12:59:53+0000 <antoviaque> It's only a suggestion because you asked for one ;p 2011-05-17 13:01:13+0000 <antoviaque> Btw about that: remember that you can also create tickets on your own, if you see areas that you think should be worked on (bugs or missing pieces) 2011-05-17 13:01:43+0000 <romulo> hmm 2011-05-17 13:01:56+0000 <romulo> what should i use to send emails? 2011-05-17 13:02:01+0000 <antoviaque> (btw I'll have to run to a meeting in a few minutes) 2011-05-17 13:02:08+0000 <romulo> oh :( 2011-05-17 13:02:10+0000 <antoviaque> You mean as the content of the emails? 2011-05-17 13:03:06+0000 <romulo> no, like smtp, pop 2011-05-17 13:03:14+0000 <romulo> imap... 2011-05-17 13:03:47+0000 <antoviaque> SMTP is good 2011-05-17 13:04:14+0000 <antoviaque> with POP and IMAP I don't really see how you would send them : ) 2011-05-17 13:04:49+0000 <romulo> Pop is for receiving i guess (?). Imap is possible (AFAIK) 2011-05-17 13:04:54+0000 <romulo> if im not that rusty 2011-05-17 13:04:58+0000 <antoviaque> yep 2011-05-17 13:05:06+0000 <antoviaque> to send you'd use SMTP or the local sendmail 2011-05-17 13:05:24+0000 <antoviaque> actually there is already an email sent by the game, for invitations 2011-05-17 13:05:33+0000 <antoviaque> you can probably get inspiration from there ;p 2011-05-17 13:05:46+0000 <romulo> Yeah should be better 2011-05-17 13:05:59+0000 <antoviaque> Ok I have to run! 2011-05-17 13:05:59+0000 <romulo> since i need to wait for the sources, i can work on #12 too 2011-05-17 13:06:31+0000 <antoviaque> that one may be a bit tricky - Lincoln was working on it and got stuck 2011-05-17 13:06:46+0000 <romulo> hmm 2011-05-17 13:06:57+0000 <antoviaque> I think with this already you have plenty for 1/2 day of work, no? 2011-05-17 13:07:08+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, i guess so =P 2011-05-17 13:07:21+0000 <antoviaque> Withs tests & changes for integration, better be on the safe side for the first tasks : ) 2011-05-17 13:07:41+0000 <antoviaque> ok - perfect then 2011-05-17 13:08:05+0000 <antoviaque> I'm running - see you later on, I'll be back in about 2 hours (hopefully) 2011-05-17 13:08:10+0000 <romulo> okay 2011-05-17 14:14:15+0000 <da> back 2011-05-17 15:05:25+0000 <antoviaque> re! 2011-05-17 15:06:57+0000 <da> antoviaque: i'm trying to compile Romulo and Rogerio iterations so far, and I'm lost :), different tickets but not easy to relate to iterations. I'll ask them to include this in daily report to make things easier 2011-05-17 15:07:49+0000 <da> an by the way do you have Rogerio's email ? Would be useful but i can't find it 2011-05-17 15:30:25+0000 romulo (romulo) is now online 2011-05-17 15:30:27+0000 <romulo> hi there 2011-05-17 15:33:08+0000 <da> hi Romulo :) 2011-05-17 15:33:57+0000 <romulo> hi there david 2011-05-17 15:33:58+0000 <romulo> how are you? 2011-05-17 15:36:32+0000 <da> very good thanks. You ? Everything's fine ? 2011-05-17 15:36:45+0000 <da> how is the work with farsides, you like it ? 2011-05-17 15:45:13+0000 <romulo> Everything is fine 2011-05-17 15:45:16+0000 <romulo> I love it. 2011-05-17 15:45:24+0000 <romulo> Its great, at least for now. 2011-05-17 15:52:43+0000 <da> happy to hear that :) 2011-05-17 15:56:28+0000 <romulo> da, i asked Xavier earlier, about the payments. What do you think its the best? 2011-05-17 15:56:51+0000 <da> can you remind the question please ? 2011-05-17 15:57:52+0000 <da> oh yes i remember, the best between paypal and wire correct ? 2011-05-17 15:59:07+0000 <romulo> yeah 2011-05-17 15:59:20+0000 <romulo> I dont know how bank transfers (for a bank in brazil) works 2011-05-17 15:59:32+0000 <da> if it's ok for you, paypal is easier for me, at least for the time being 2011-05-17 15:59:50+0000 <da> would that be ok ? 2011-05-17 16:00:29+0000 <romulo> Yeah sure 2011-05-17 16:01:08+0000 <da> while we talk about this stuff, there is something I'll need you to look at, it's a document that shows that you can do invoices 2011-05-17 16:01:19+0000 <da> i'll need that at some point for the administration in france 2011-05-17 16:01:54+0000 <da> are you aware of this kind of document ? I don't know how this works in brazil 2011-05-17 16:01:59+0000 <romulo> Hmm. Ok. Will you be there? Its my lunch time 2011-05-17 16:02:03+0000 <romulo> will be back in half an hour 2011-05-17 16:02:04+0000 <da> sure 2011-05-17 16:02:08+0000 <romulo> here* 2011-05-17 16:02:10+0000 <da> have a good lunch :) 2011-05-17 16:02:13+0000 <romulo> thanks =] 2011-05-17 16:04:10+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-05-17 16:04:21+0000 <dachary> \o 2011-05-17 16:21:35+0000 <antoviaque> da: Catching up with the backlog - I'm sending you Rogerio's email 2011-05-17 16:26:22+0000 <da> antoviaque: i was about to write to Fernanda and realized that you had just done it and that i had not received the messages of this group for at least a week. This is so weird :) 2011-05-17 16:26:49+0000 <da> Buddypress choses which messages it wants to send me or not, according to its tastes 2011-05-17 16:27:03+0000 <antoviaque> ahah - maybe because we all have these checks on the same day : ) 2011-05-17 16:27:10+0000 <antoviaque> I wrote it one hour ago ;p 2011-05-17 16:28:34+0000 <dachary> :-D 2011-05-17 16:29:32+0000 <dachary> da let me know if you want to discuss the integration of your patches 2011-05-17 16:29:48+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: so how was Thor? :D 2011-05-17 16:30:21+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: awesome. I already saw it on computer and that's why I wanted to see it in the movies. 2011-05-17 16:30:42+0000 <antoviaque> : ) 2011-05-17 16:31:19+0000 <antoviaque> I think I'm going to wait for it to be released in bittor... DVD I mean : ) 2011-05-17 16:31:33+0000 <da> dachary: I'll definitely let you know as soon as i have a look at it :) 2011-05-17 16:33:23+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: :_D 2011-05-17 16:45:03+0000 * dachary claimed ownership of http://cardstori.es/trac/ticket/18 2011-05-17 16:46:01+0000 <dachary> ××Ö·××¢× ××× 2011-05-17 16:48:54+0000 <da> dachary: i'm trying to understand your comments, http://cardstori.es/trac/ticket/69#comment:6 2011-05-17 16:49:09+0000 <da> it's going to take a little time, not familiar yet with js 2011-05-17 16:50:05+0000 <da> already a question : i didn't understand your previous note : da: http://cardstori.es/trac/changeset/822f1e7d2eab32fdadb2cb3a8840acb82a208d07 you used "ticket 69" which is not enough for your change to show at http://cardstori.es/trac/ticket/69 . You should use ref#69 2011-05-17 16:51:27+0000 <da> i should use ref#69 in the message of the commit that's what it means ? 2011-05-17 16:52:56+0000 <antoviaque> btw sorry about that da - when we discussed it I still thought my solution was good ;p ( http://cardstori.es/trac/ticket/69#comment:6 ) 2011-05-17 16:53:10+0000 <dachary> da yes, that means you should use ref#69 in the message of the commit 2011-05-17 16:53:27+0000 <da> dachary: ok 2011-05-17 16:53:41+0000 <da> antoviaque: no worry, perfect way to learn ;) 2011-05-17 16:53:56+0000 <dachary> regarding http://cardstori.es/trac/ticket/69#comment:6 I implemented the solution as part of http://cardstori.es/trac/changeset/93b813ff6826c7b88f51c1f0d642a2512ecd5b95 2011-05-17 16:54:12+0000 <dachary> reading it will probably clarify the comment 2011-05-17 16:54:40+0000 <da> reading it makes the comment even more complicated to me 2011-05-17 16:54:44+0000 <da> :) 2011-05-17 16:55:17+0000 Netoca (Netoca) is now online 2011-05-17 16:55:31+0000 <Netoca> hello everyone 2011-05-17 16:55:57+0000 <da> hello Netoca 2011-05-17 16:56:02+0000 <Netoca> sorry about the meeting...i had to travel in the weekend =( 2011-05-17 16:56:22+0000 <dachary> da :-) 2011-05-17 16:56:27+0000 <dachary> Netoca: \o/ 2011-05-17 16:56:52+0000 <antoviaque> da: instead of setting the z-index in the CSS file, you set it in the javascript function that handles the selection of card with link.css({zIndex: zindex}); 2011-05-17 16:56:56+0000 <antoviaque> hope it helps : ) 2011-05-17 16:57:04+0000 <Netoca> so, how is everything? Did the meeting went well? 2011-05-17 16:57:06+0000 * da wondering if it's still possible to go back to programming after 10 years of forgetting it by doing business bullshit 2011-05-17 16:57:13+0000 <antoviaque> hi Netoca : ) 2011-05-17 16:57:20+0000 <antoviaque> yup, it went well! 2011-05-17 16:57:21+0000 <Netoca> hello antoviaque =) 2011-05-17 16:57:41+0000 <Netoca> nice 2011-05-17 16:57:46+0000 <antoviaque> Netoca: cf http://farsides.com/blog/activity/p/617/ 2011-05-17 16:57:57+0000 <antoviaque> you can also find a link to read the meeting log there 2011-05-17 16:58:02+0000 <antoviaque> if you're interested :D 2011-05-17 16:58:49+0000 <Netoca> I'm checking it out right now 2011-05-17 16:58:59+0000 <antoviaque> if you have questions don't hesitate 2011-05-17 16:59:48+0000 <Netoca> Ok, thanks! 2011-05-17 16:59:54+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-05-17 17:03:57+0000 <dachary> da: the idea is basically that it's more consistent to do it in js because there already are many z-index manipulations in js for this area of the HTML page. 2011-05-17 17:06:03+0000 <da> dachary: thx, i get the idea. I'm fighting with the syntax of javascript actually, that's my first obstacle. It's kind of yiddish for me right now 2011-05-17 17:06:22+0000 <dachary> ââ«××Ö·××¢× ××× 2011-05-17 17:07:00+0000 <da> mazel tov, definitely 2011-05-17 17:07:30+0000 <Netoca> I liked the set of priorities of the game, i think it's the best one too. Following it will make the game good and easy to play =) 2011-05-17 17:07:41+0000 <antoviaque> Netoca: :) 2011-05-17 17:07:41+0000 <dachary> da since you already read yiddish, am I to understand that your comment means JS is easy to read ? 2011-05-17 17:07:47+0000 <dachary> ahahah 2011-05-17 17:07:48+0000 <antoviaque> Netoca: glad you like it 2011-05-17 17:08:20+0000 <Netoca> =) 2011-05-17 17:08:26+0000 <antoviaque> Netoca: Actually if you spot things that would help attaining those priorities and that aren't already marked in the tickets, don't hesitate to add it : ) 2011-05-17 17:08:56+0000 <antoviaque> http://cardstori.es/trac/report/9 http://cardstori.es/trac/report/10 http://cardstori.es/trac/report/11 2011-05-17 17:09:44+0000 <Netoca> Ok, I'll look into it too and think about it. If I think in anything that might be useful I'll be sure to tell you 2011-05-17 17:09:52+0000 <romulo> hi there 2011-05-17 17:09:53+0000 <da> dachary: you're right, there is a flaw in the logic here, haha 2011-05-17 17:10:09+0000 <dachary> da I'm glad you fell in the trap ;-) 2011-05-17 17:11:34+0000 <da> bbl, going to play on the wii with my nephew 2011-05-17 17:12:03+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, how you classify tasks as 1/2 day or full day? 2011-05-17 17:12:54+0000 <romulo> i'd rather work on full day tasks initially 2011-05-17 17:13:36+0000 <antoviaque> That's up to you : ) 2011-05-17 17:13:49+0000 <romulo> was #62 and #64 full or half? 2011-05-17 17:14:00+0000 <romulo> (trying to save money for a new computer) 2011-05-17 17:14:53+0000 <antoviaque> Since you can allocate about 4 hours per day now, you can either chose a set of tasks that take you about 1/2 day every day, or 1 full day every two days 2011-05-17 17:15:15+0000 <antoviaque> ah, but you're able to work the equivalent of a full time job? 2011-05-17 17:15:28+0000 <romulo> that really depends on the task 2011-05-17 17:16:13+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-05-17 17:17:22+0000 <antoviaque> actually because it's the beginning, we only assign one very small task - but for a full day job, once the learning curve passed, it would likely be several tasks per day 2011-05-17 17:18:39+0000 <antoviaque> But it depends on the tasks themselves - you try to approximate the time it will take you (which will be easier once you'll be used to the codebase). For a half day of work you'd take on half of the workload that you would for one full day 2011-05-17 17:20:01+0000 <antoviaque> To answer your question about the tasks you've done so far, how much time did you spend on each? 2011-05-17 17:20:42+0000 <antoviaque> I assumed it was half days, but I may have assumed wrong, since it's true that we didn't say it explicitely 2011-05-17 17:20:43+0000 <romulo> on the tasks itself? Really short time. On the docs, setup, testing and digging code? More than 2/3 hours =P 2011-05-17 17:21:16+0000 <antoviaque> Yep, taking into account the time you've spent on the docs, setup,etc. - all included 2011-05-17 17:21:48+0000 <romulo> i'd say full time on the first task, and like 4 hours on this second one 2011-05-17 17:21:58+0000 <antoviaque> ok 2011-05-17 17:23:02+0000 <antoviaque> so for those two tasks we say 1.5 day, and from now on you select work for half a day each day? Or are you able to work the equivalent of a full time? 2011-05-17 17:23:40+0000 <antoviaque> let me know if anything doesn't sound fair 2011-05-17 17:25:53+0000 <romulo> It sounds fair enough. I will try (if possible) to get full time tasks. If not, i can keep doing the half time ones 2011-05-17 17:26:31+0000 <antoviaque> ok then 2011-05-17 17:27:45+0000 <antoviaque> In this case, let me know in the morning when you want to take on a full day task (and then mark it in your report for David to know for the payments) - sounds good? 2011-05-17 17:28:20+0000 <romulo> yeah =] 2011-05-17 17:28:25+0000 <antoviaque> perfect! 2011-05-17 17:28:36+0000 <dachary> diner time, bbl 2011-05-17 17:28:38+0000 <antoviaque> da: ok for you? 2011-05-17 17:36:44+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, will be back later. Class now =P 2011-05-17 18:04:34+0000 <da> antoviaque: ok for me, i'll update that in buddypress 2011-05-17 19:53:04+0000 Avek (Avek) is now online 2011-05-17 19:53:20+0000 <Avek> hello 2011-05-17 20:12:49+0000 <dachary> Avek: hi 2011-05-17 21:15:55+0000 <Netoca> I got to go guys 2011-05-17 21:16:10+0000 <Netoca> Be back tomorrow =) 2011-05-17 21:26:27+0000 <Avek> I posted my first update in the group 2011-05-17 21:51:22+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-05-17 22:20:09+0000 romulo (romulo) is now online 2011-05-17 22:20:13+0000 <romulo> hi there =] 2011-05-17 22:30:00+0000 <romulo> tartarugafeliz, antoviaque, dachary: ping? 2011-05-17 22:30:10+0000 <dachary> pong 2011-05-17 22:30:17+0000 <romulo> oh great, you here =] 2011-05-17 22:30:21+0000 <dachary> :-D 2011-05-17 22:30:30+0000 <romulo> http://cardstori.es/trac/ticket/ 2011-05-17 22:30:30+0000 <dachary> working on the credits display 2011-05-17 22:30:33+0000 <romulo> ops,http://cardstori.es/trac/ticket/21 2011-05-17 22:30:41+0000 <romulo> lacks a bit of explanation 2011-05-17 22:31:05+0000 <dachary> romulo: +1 2011-05-17 22:31:35+0000 <romulo> Im not sure if I am supposed to send emails everytime those things happen or what 2011-05-17 22:32:00+0000 <dachary> this actually is a complex ticket 2011-05-17 22:32:26+0000 <romulo> yeah, i guess. Innocent Romulo for accepting it. 2011-05-17 22:32:50+0000 <dachary> ahahah 2011-05-17 22:32:57+0000 <romulo> feels like doing something else now 2011-05-17 22:33:01+0000 <romulo> mainly because the art is not ready 2011-05-17 22:33:13+0000 <dachary> romulo: you need to discuss the details with antoviaque and extract detailed specifications from him 2011-05-17 22:33:35+0000 <romulo> Yeah. We should make bug reports explanation *mandatory* 2011-05-17 22:33:38+0000 <dachary> romulo: more importantly, there needs to be a precise definition of the expected behavior 2011-05-17 22:33:46+0000 <romulo> exactly 2011-05-17 22:34:00+0000 <romulo> We should start doing like gnome bugzilla asks 2011-05-17 22:34:18+0000 <dachary> that being said, there is a lot you could do to prepare the ground for the implementation even before knowing what is desired exactly 2011-05-17 22:34:18+0000 <romulo> What happened, whats wrong, what to expect, suggestions. 2011-05-17 22:34:37+0000 <romulo> enlight me 2011-05-17 22:35:27+0000 <dachary> romulo: for starters, try to send an HTML mail with images. If you can do that, you've made valuable progress. No matter what happens with this ticket, you'll need to do this, won't you ? 2011-05-17 22:36:11+0000 <romulo> gotcha 2011-05-17 22:36:55+0000 <dachary> sometimes you're blocked because there is no way to figure out something required and you have to wait for specifications. I think you're not in such a case for this ticket and you can start work while asking antoviaque for clarifications. 2011-05-17 22:37:01+0000 <romulo> sending a email first, then html embedded. 2011-05-17 22:37:13+0000 <romulo> Yeah, you right 2011-05-17 22:37:19+0000 <dachary> :-) 2011-05-17 22:37:28+0000 <romulo> thanks for the cheering :D 2011-05-17 22:37:36+0000 <dachary> and testing if the mail is sent as expected is going to be a little tricky. 2011-05-17 22:37:59+0000 <romulo> hmm, maybe sending a local copy? 2011-05-17 22:38:17+0000 <dachary> Yes. And testing /var/spool/mail/XXXX 2011-05-17 22:38:25+0000 <dachary> maybe 2011-05-17 22:38:26+0000 <romulo> yep 2011-05-17 22:38:33+0000 <romulo> will you be around 2011-05-17 22:38:34+0000 <romulo> ? 2011-05-17 22:38:38+0000 <dachary> not sure how to approach this in a way that is reliable 2011-05-17 22:38:41+0000 <romulo> gotta go home, brb in a few minutes 2011-05-17 22:38:50+0000 <dachary> I will be around for the next hour yes 2011-05-17 22:38:55+0000 <romulo> okay =] 2011-05-17 22:39:31+0000 <dachary> If you figure out a way to test that works on a Debian / Ubuntu machine and that issues a warning (like "SKIPPING MAIL TEST BECAUSE NOT UBUNTU / DEBIAN" ) this will be acceptable. 2011-05-17 22:39:47+0000 <dachary> Trying to test in a cross OS way would be a nightmare. 2011-05-17 22:43:20+0000 <romulo> ok fine, i use ubuntu anyway :P 2011-05-17 22:47:53+0000 <romulo> dachary, should i fix the \x on the last patch and mark it as fixed? 2011-05-17 22:49:00+0000 <dachary> romulo: yes, please fix the \x . You have a gitorious repository, don't you ? 2011-05-17 22:49:43+0000 <romulo> no, gitorious failed on me. It lacks a very simply explanation about how to clone http://cardstori.es/cardstories.git and keep it as MY repository. Im still messing with it 2011-05-17 22:52:13+0000 <romulo> also, im going to fill a new ticket (if there is none for that) about a test for invite through email. 2011-05-17 22:52:19+0000 <romulo> btw, brb soon, gotta go 2011-05-17 22:55:52+0000 <dachary> k 2011-05-17 22:57:19+0000 <dachary> romulo: once you fixed \x assign the ticket back to me but don't close it. I'll commit your patch with a comment that will close the ticket when the changeset reaches the git repository at cardstori.es 2011-05-17 23:26:08+0000 <romulo> back 2011-05-17 23:29:02+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now offline 2011-05-17 23:29:05+0000 <romulo> dachary, using \x makes it automatically unicode - or non convertible 2011-05-17 23:32:01+0000 <dachary> hop 2011-05-17 23:32:17+0000 <dachary> romulo: let me check 2011-05-17 23:34:41+0000 <dachary> romulo: in test_game.py 2011-05-17 23:34:42+0000 <dachary> @defer.inlineCallbacks 2011-05-17 23:34:43+0000 <dachary> def test01_create(self): 2011-05-17 23:34:45+0000 <dachary> there is 2011-05-17 23:34:51+0000 <dachary> sentence = u'SENTENCE \xe9' 2011-05-17 23:35:11+0000 <dachary> is it not the kind of test you need ? 2011-05-17 23:35:12+0000 <romulo> what i mean is. If you prepend the text with u, you make the string unicode 2011-05-17 23:35:28+0000 <dachary> or in tests/test_service.py 2011-05-17 23:35:29+0000 <romulo> hence, no conversion is needed. If you pass a string with accent, the test will convert and then do it. 2011-05-17 23:35:46+0000 <dachary> hum 2011-05-17 23:36:24+0000 <dachary> let me check your test again 2011-05-17 23:43:51+0000 <dachary> romulo: I wrote my thoughts in http://cardstori.es/trac/ticket/64#comment:3 2011-05-17 23:43:55+0000 <dachary> what do you think ? 2011-05-17 23:45:14+0000 <dachary> utf-8 handling in python is a little tricky 2011-05-17 23:45:21+0000 <romulo> let me check 2011-05-17 23:46:50+0000 <romulo> i tested decode() first and it fails if the string is already unicode 2011-05-17 23:47:09+0000 <romulo> i know i test for it using isinstance() but it really should make no difference to use decode() or unicode() 2011-05-17 23:47:15+0000 <romulo> just telling from what i read on the manual 2011-05-17 23:49:10+0000 <romulo> maybe the difference lies in the return (since unicode() is stable and does not modify the original variable) 2011-05-17 23:51:42+0000 rogerio (rogerio) is now online 2011-05-17 23:55:46+0000 <dachary> romulo: the key is that you receive a str which really is unicode inside and you need to decode it 2011-05-17 23:56:34+0000 <dachary> I don't remember from the top of my head if unicode(x, 'utf-8') is *exactly* the same as x.decode('utf-8') let me check 2011-05-17 23:57:49+0000 <romulo> dachary, afaik -> http://docs.python.org/howto/unicode.html
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