Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2011-06-13.
2011-06-13 07:30:42+0000 <antoviaque> antoviaque@antoviaque-laptop:~/tmp$ git clone http://cardstori.es/cardstories.git 2011-06-13 07:30:43+0000 <antoviaque> Cloning into cardstories... 2011-06-13 07:30:43+0000 <antoviaque> antoviaque@antoviaque-laptop:~/tmp$ cd cardstories/ 2011-06-13 07:30:43+0000 <antoviaque> antoviaque@antoviaque-laptop:~/tmp/cardstories$ git tag -v 1.0.3 2011-06-13 07:30:43+0000 <antoviaque> error: tag '1.0.3' not found. 2011-06-13 07:30:47+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: ^ 2011-06-13 07:30:51+0000 <antoviaque> and hello : ) 2011-06-13 07:39:11+0000 <antoviaque> antoviaque@antoviaque-laptop:~/tmp/cardstories$ git describe --tags 2011-06-13 07:39:11+0000 <antoviaque> fatal: No names found, cannot describe anything. 2011-06-13 07:48:51+0000 divya (divya) is now online 2011-06-13 07:57:54+0000 <antoviaque> hi divya! 2011-06-13 07:58:09+0000 <divya> antoviaque: hi! 2011-06-13 08:00:22+0000 <antoviaque> how are you? Everything alright? 2011-06-13 08:00:44+0000 mtyaka (mtyaka) is now online 2011-06-13 08:00:58+0000 <antoviaque> hi mtyaka! 2011-06-13 08:01:07+0000 <mtyaka> hi! 2011-06-13 08:01:14+0000 <antoviaque> nice to meet you : ) 2011-06-13 08:01:23+0000 <mtyaka> nice to meet you, too 2011-06-13 08:01:28+0000 <divya> antoviaque: I am in office right now and a little busy, shall be active after 3-4 hours .... meanwhile let me know if you have a sandbox server where I could connect and test stuff 2011-06-13 08:01:52+0000 <divya> antoviaque: yeah I am fine doing good ! how are you doing today 2011-06-13 08:02:07+0000 <antoviaque> divya: no sandbox server nope, you can simply test it on yours - changes appear on live when they are merged 2011-06-13 08:02:16+0000 <antoviaque> really well : ) 2011-06-13 08:02:30+0000 <antoviaque> about to start an interview with mtyaka : ) 2011-06-13 08:02:30+0000 <divya> antoviaque: oh ok 2011-06-13 08:02:48+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: ready for this? : ) 2011-06-13 08:02:54+0000 <mtyaka> ready :) 2011-06-13 08:02:57+0000 <antoviaque> ok! 2011-06-13 08:03:19+0000 <antoviaque> we'll try using big blue button, to avoid skype and its proprietary stuff : ) 2011-06-13 08:03:34+0000 <antoviaque> if it doesn't work well we'll switch 2011-06-13 08:03:38+0000 <antoviaque> sounds good? 2011-06-13 08:03:57+0000 <antoviaque> http://demo.bigbluebutton.org/bigbluebutton/demo/create.jsp?action=invite&meetingID=antoviaque%27s+meeting 2011-06-13 08:04:10+0000 <mtyaka> ok 2011-06-13 08:17:12+0000 <dachary> hey 2011-06-13 08:30:12+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-06-13 09:14:58+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: re : ) 2011-06-13 09:15:11+0000 <mtyaka> here i am : ) 2011-06-13 09:15:17+0000 <antoviaque> :D 2011-06-13 09:15:28+0000 <antoviaque> let's see if anyone is around : ) 2011-06-13 09:15:46+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: dachary - there? 2011-06-13 09:16:07+0000 <blanchard> hello :) 2011-06-13 09:16:12+0000 <antoviaque> ah! : ) 2011-06-13 09:16:24+0000 <mtyaka> hello 2011-06-13 09:16:32+0000 <antoviaque> so, Matjaz, this is david, my cofounder 2011-06-13 09:16:37+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-06-13 09:16:43+0000 <mtyaka> happy to meet you, david 2011-06-13 09:16:49+0000 <blanchard> hi mtyaka nice to meet you :) 2011-06-13 09:16:55+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-06-13 09:17:07+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: yes 2011-06-13 09:17:09+0000 <blanchard> both of you had a call together ? 2011-06-13 09:17:33+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: what can I do you for ? 2011-06-13 09:17:33+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: this is Matjaz, one of the candidates for the developer position : ) 2011-06-13 09:17:40+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: yup! 2011-06-13 09:17:47+0000 <antoviaque> we just finished the presentation 2011-06-13 09:18:00+0000 <antoviaque> want to play a game of card stories? : ) 2011-06-13 09:18:18+0000 <blanchard> i've read your presentation this morning antoviaque it's really cool 2011-06-13 09:18:19+0000 <dachary> I remember his resume. I'm game 2011-06-13 09:18:20+0000 <blanchard> sure 2011-06-13 09:18:31+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: glad you like it : ) 2011-06-13 09:18:47+0000 <antoviaque> ok, I create a game : ) 2011-06-13 09:19:33+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: dachary: mtyaka: http://cardstori.es/?game_id=182&; 2011-06-13 09:19:43+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: you'll probably find it confusing 2011-06-13 09:20:02+0000 <antoviaque> as I was explaining accessibility is the main issue with the game right now 2011-06-13 09:20:16+0000 <antoviaque> so don't hesitate to ask question or tell me when you're confused 2011-06-13 09:20:27+0000 <antoviaque> it will help to spot what is wrong : ) 2011-06-13 09:21:08+0000 <mtyaka> ok, i'll see how it goes 2011-06-13 09:21:50+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I did a little cleanup yesterday. My goal was to fix the obvious visual glitches & most prominent bugs before it enters Debian GNU/Linux. But I did not install the version on cardstori.es yet. 2011-06-13 09:22:04+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: ok : ) 2011-06-13 09:22:20+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I replaced the solo button ;-) 2011-06-13 09:22:22+0000 <antoviaque> thanks for this - I'm sure tartaruga will be delighted :p 2011-06-13 09:23:26+0000 <dachary> it would be cool to have a irc bot that announces the URL for new games here 2011-06-13 09:23:37+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: true : ) 2011-06-13 09:23:40+0000 <dachary> it's probably easy to make a plugin for this 2011-06-13 09:23:44+0000 <dachary> wow 2011-06-13 09:23:49+0000 <dachary> impressive spread on this one 2011-06-13 09:23:50+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: you want to enter a ticket? :D 2011-06-13 09:23:52+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahha 2011-06-13 09:23:54+0000 <antoviaque> YEYYYYYY 2011-06-13 09:24:06+0000 <antoviaque> I won!! and you too mtyaka : ) 2011-06-13 09:24:08+0000 <blanchard> mtyaka: good pick 2011-06-13 09:24:11+0000 <antoviaque> very well done 2011-06-13 09:24:11+0000 <blanchard> :) 2011-06-13 09:24:14+0000 <blanchard> i fell for it 2011-06-13 09:24:19+0000 <dachary> mtyaka: did yo collude with antoviaque ? 2011-06-13 09:24:23+0000 <antoviaque> heheheh 2011-06-13 09:24:36+0000 <mtyaka> heh, great :) i'm not really sure i understand why i won, hough : ) 2011-06-13 09:24:38+0000 <dachary> not fair 2011-06-13 09:24:45+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: hehe, yep 2011-06-13 09:24:46+0000 <mtyaka> *though* 2011-06-13 09:24:54+0000 <antoviaque> what did you understand of the game? 2011-06-13 09:24:55+0000 <blanchard> they've been speaking on the phone i think they came up with a strategy dachary 2011-06-13 09:24:58+0000 <dachary> mtyaka: because you guess the card that antoviaque picked to write the phrase down 2011-06-13 09:25:00+0000 <antoviaque> it's interesting as a playtest 2011-06-13 09:25:22+0000 <mtyaka> aha, ok 2011-06-13 09:25:25+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: damn, blanchard figured us out ! 2011-06-13 09:25:52+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: what was confusing for you? what did you miss to understand the game? 2011-06-13 09:26:43+0000 <mtyaka> i wasn't sure how many people were playing the game 2011-06-13 09:26:57+0000 <mtyaka> and it took me a while to understand that the story was "Yummy!" 2011-06-13 09:28:13+0000 <antoviaque> yup, agreed 2011-06-13 09:28:13+0000 <mtyaka> and I am not sure I understand why I had to choose a card twice 2011-06-13 09:28:26+0000 <antoviaque> yep 2011-06-13 09:28:53+0000 <antoviaque> did you understood that I had picked a card and the sentence, and that you had to find which card I picked? 2011-06-13 09:29:07+0000 <mtyaka> no... 2011-06-13 09:29:21+0000 <antoviaque> yep, that's the core of the issue imho : ) 2011-06-13 09:29:27+0000 <antoviaque> basically 2011-06-13 09:29:39+0000 <antoviaque> when I start a game, I pick a card and a sentence 2011-06-13 09:29:51+0000 <mtyaka> ok, so I understand that now 2011-06-13 09:29:56+0000 <antoviaque> then each of the players chose another card that match that sentence 2011-06-13 09:30:05+0000 <mtyaka> ok... 2011-06-13 09:30:22+0000 <antoviaque> then in the second stage (the vote), you have the cards that everyone chose, and you need to find which one was mine among those 2011-06-13 09:30:45+0000 <antoviaque> what do you think would have helped to understand all that within the game? 2011-06-13 09:30:59+0000 <mtyaka> ok, i see 2011-06-13 09:31:14+0000 <mtyaka> let me think... 2011-06-13 09:32:49+0000 <mtyaka> who would win if we all chose a wrong card 2011-06-13 09:32:52+0000 <mtyaka> ? 2011-06-13 09:32:58+0000 <antoviaque> I would lose 2011-06-13 09:33:04+0000 <antoviaque> and all the other players would win 2011-06-13 09:33:20+0000 <mtyaka> i see 2011-06-13 09:33:27+0000 <antoviaque> (because it would have meant that I would have picked a card that is too hard to guess) 2011-06-13 09:33:35+0000 <mtyaka> and if everybody chooses the correct card, everybody wins? 2011-06-13 09:33:47+0000 <antoviaque> nope, same thing - I lose, and all the players win 2011-06-13 09:33:55+0000 <antoviaque> because then the card is too easy to guess 2011-06-13 09:33:57+0000 <mtyaka> aha, because it was too easy 2011-06-13 09:34:00+0000 <mtyaka> right 2011-06-13 09:34:01+0000 <antoviaque> yup : ) 2011-06-13 09:34:33+0000 <antoviaque> actually, would you mind filling a playtest survey? that would help a lot here 2011-06-13 09:34:42+0000 <mtyaka> sure 2011-06-13 09:34:58+0000 <antoviaque> thanks! : ) 2011-06-13 09:35:02+0000 <antoviaque> here it is: http://farsides.com/stats/survey/index.php?sid=47236&newtest=Y&lang=en 2011-06-13 09:35:03+0000 <mtyaka> no problem 2011-06-13 09:35:12+0000 <antoviaque> if you have questions about it let me know 2011-06-13 09:35:41+0000 <dachary> http://cardstori.es/?game_id=183&; 2011-06-13 09:35:45+0000 <antoviaque> yey :D 2011-06-13 09:35:48+0000 <dachary> revenge ! 2011-06-13 09:35:53+0000 <antoviaque> you wish! 2011-06-13 09:36:02+0000 <dachary> blanchard: ^ 2011-06-13 09:36:17+0000 <mtyaka> can i play again before filling the survey? 2011-06-13 09:36:23+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: of course 2011-06-13 09:36:29+0000 <mtyaka> great 2011-06-13 09:36:34+0000 <antoviaque> let's kick their asses again ;p 2011-06-13 09:37:07+0000 * antoviaque is happy, he never wins usually :p 2011-06-13 09:37:26+0000 <dachary> dam 2011-06-13 09:37:31+0000 <antoviaque> hehehhe 2011-06-13 09:37:36+0000 <dachary> you guys did not help me there 2011-06-13 09:37:48+0000 <antoviaque> I did my best :p 2011-06-13 09:37:53+0000 <antoviaque> yey! 2011-06-13 09:37:55+0000 <blanchard> me too 2011-06-13 09:38:04+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: rofl 2011-06-13 09:38:06+0000 <blanchard> i had no card whatso ever with cloud 2011-06-13 09:38:08+0000 <dachary> tssss 2011-06-13 09:38:16+0000 <dachary> there are tons of cards with clouds 2011-06-13 09:38:22+0000 <dachary> how could I be so unlucky 2011-06-13 09:38:25+0000 <dachary> UNFAIR 2011-06-13 09:38:29+0000 <dachary> the server is rigged 2011-06-13 09:38:31+0000 <blanchard> so i took the most absurd one hoping that someone would think that dachary you play strangely 2011-06-13 09:38:46+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: ah, it's true, it's a good strategy :p 2011-06-13 09:38:53+0000 <blanchard> haha 2011-06-13 09:38:57+0000 <blanchard> don't care, i won 2011-06-13 09:39:03+0000 <antoviaque> me too 2011-06-13 09:39:18+0000 <dachary> ahahah 2011-06-13 09:39:23+0000 <dachary> anyway 2011-06-13 09:39:28+0000 <antoviaque> and well done to mtyaka : ) 2011-06-13 09:39:32+0000 <antoviaque> too 2011-06-13 09:39:43+0000 <mtyaka> beginners luck :) 2011-06-13 09:39:50+0000 <antoviaque> :D 2011-06-13 09:39:53+0000 <blanchard> :) 2011-06-13 09:40:40+0000 <blanchard> dachary: question for you. When i see tickets changed to merged (for instance yesterday night many of them), the only ways for me to know if it's applied on cardstori.es is if you say it on the chat or if i go play on cardstori.es 2011-06-13 09:40:43+0000 <blanchard> correct ? 2011-06-13 09:41:45+0000 <dachary> correct 2011-06-13 09:42:04+0000 <blanchard> ok 2011-06-13 09:42:18+0000 <dachary> hum 2011-06-13 09:43:02+0000 <dachary> blanchard: there is another way 2011-06-13 09:43:06+0000 <dachary> http://cardstori.es/packaging-farm/cardstories/gnulinux/debian/x86_64/natty/src/ 2011-06-13 09:43:18+0000 <dachary> the dates there are the dates of the last build installed on cardstori.es 2011-06-13 09:43:38+0000 <dachary> all changes made after this date are not installed on cardstori.es 2011-06-13 09:43:58+0000 <blanchard> thanks 2011-06-13 09:44:23+0000 <dachary> blanchard: there is a ticket to add the version number / build date to the interface to avoid this kind of confusion 2011-06-13 09:45:02+0000 <antoviaque> yup - I'll need to see how this can be put in the tickets, since there is no field for version right now 2011-06-13 09:45:08+0000 <antoviaque> maybe there is a plugin for this though 2011-06-13 09:51:10+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: I've put the list of the tools I mentioned during the presentation there so you can have a look: http://farsides.com/wiki/Project_Tools 2011-06-13 09:51:49+0000 <mtyaka> great, thanks 2011-06-13 09:52:40+0000 <antoviaque> I let you complete the playtest survey and have a look around at your own pace - let me know if you have question or when you're finished : ) 2011-06-13 09:52:52+0000 <antoviaque> then we'll look at the test task & price 2011-06-13 09:53:15+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: actually since you're around you may want to have the price discussion now? 2011-06-13 09:54:05+0000 <blanchard> as mtyaka you prefer, we can discuss the price now or once you finish what you're currently doing. No hurry 2011-06-13 09:54:35+0000 <mtyaka> I'm finishing the survey 2011-06-13 09:54:38+0000 <mtyaka> we can discuss now 2011-06-13 09:54:49+0000 <blanchard> ok 2011-06-13 09:55:24+0000 <blanchard> let me grab your candidature page 2011-06-13 09:56:19+0000 <blanchard> so if you want, i can tell you how we deal with pricing of tasks and then we can compare it to the expectations you mentioned in your candidature and discuss 2011-06-13 09:56:31+0000 <blanchard> works for you mtyaka ? 2011-06-13 09:56:44+0000 <mtyaka> I have a question about the game... During the first round, when you get to choose a card to "confuse" your opponents, does the card that the game organizer chose, ever show up as one of the choices? 2011-06-13 09:56:58+0000 <mtyaka> works for me 2011-06-13 09:57:01+0000 <blanchard> no 2011-06-13 09:57:14+0000 <blanchard> your cards are different from the organizer 2011-06-13 09:57:32+0000 <blanchard> every player receives a different set of cards actually 2011-06-13 09:57:50+0000 <mtyaka> ok, I thought so... But during the second round, the card that I chose also shows up as one of the candidates. 2011-06-13 09:58:03+0000 <blanchard> yes 2011-06-13 09:58:16+0000 <blanchard> but you cannot vote for it 2011-06-13 09:58:24+0000 <mtyaka> Aha, I see. That makes sense. 2011-06-13 09:58:29+0000 <blanchard> :) 2011-06-13 09:59:07+0000 <blanchard> so, the pricing : as Xavier told you, we pay per delivery corresponding to one day work 2011-06-13 10:00:12+0000 <mtyaka> ok 2011-06-13 10:00:13+0000 <blanchard> for a developer, full time, in paris, with a background comparable to yours, the price i would offer per day is 200⬠2011-06-13 10:00:19+0000 <blanchard> that's 8 hours 2011-06-13 10:00:34+0000 <blanchard> so 25⬠in paris 2011-06-13 10:00:58+0000 <mtyaka> ok 2011-06-13 10:00:58+0000 <blanchard> per hour, on which we apply a cost of life coefficient 2011-06-13 10:01:12+0000 <blanchard> based on http://www.numbeo.com 2011-06-13 10:02:14+0000 <blanchard> so if I apply to Slovenia, I get 18⬠per hour, or 144⬠per day 2011-06-13 10:02:41+0000 <blanchard> that's the price per day for a full time job 2011-06-13 10:03:04+0000 <mtyaka> ok 2011-06-13 10:03:58+0000 <blanchard> for the first task, there would be an increase of approx 30% => i would pay the first task 190⬠2011-06-13 10:04:51+0000 <blanchard> the reason why the price is higher for the first task : 2011-06-13 10:04:56+0000 <blanchard> http://farsides.com/blog/members/blanchard/activity/697/ 2011-06-13 10:05:21+0000 <blanchard> so now i stop talking :), let me know what you think about this - does it seem fair ? 2011-06-13 10:06:00+0000 <mtyaka> yes, that seems ok 2011-06-13 10:06:34+0000 <blanchard> good. Do you have some questions about this approach ? 2011-06-13 10:07:25+0000 <mtyaka> not specifically about the approach, but how is the money paid? 2011-06-13 10:07:58+0000 <blanchard> paypal is the easiest for me. But we can also use wire transfer 2011-06-13 10:08:21+0000 <blanchard> on my side, I'll need to know that you can create invoice 2011-06-13 10:08:30+0000 <blanchard> for a foreign country 2011-06-13 10:08:43+0000 <blanchard> because i'll need the invoice on my side 2011-06-13 10:08:58+0000 <blanchard> are you familiar with this already ? 2011-06-13 10:09:51+0000 <mtyaka> Not really, I'm afraid... What do I need to be able to create an invoice? 2011-06-13 10:11:29+0000 <blanchard> well, in Slovenia, i don't know how this works :) You might need a status of some kind from the administration that gives you the right to create invoices 2011-06-13 10:11:37+0000 <blanchard> at least in france it's this way 2011-06-13 10:12:26+0000 <mtyaka> I understand. 2011-06-13 10:12:31+0000 <blanchard> but i've heard that in Brazil, it's easier any individual can create an invoice. So it varies, do you have a way to enquire how it works in your country ? 2011-06-13 10:13:32+0000 <blanchard> if you know someone in the finance department of a company for instance, he could probably help 2011-06-13 10:13:58+0000 <mtyaka> I think Slovenia is more like France in this regard.... not everybody can do that. 2011-06-13 10:14:07+0000 <blanchard> ok 2011-06-13 10:14:44+0000 <mtyaka> I'll ask around, see what I can find out. 2011-06-13 10:15:13+0000 <blanchard> ok thanks. Let me know if you're stuck, i'll see if i can help 2011-06-13 10:16:23+0000 <blanchard> mtyaka: any other question related to this topic or should we move on to the task with antoviaque ? 2011-06-13 10:16:50+0000 <mtyaka> no other questions for now 2011-06-13 10:17:32+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: I let you have a look at the tools, tasks, codebase... When you feel you're ready to discuss a test task, let me know : ) 2011-06-13 10:17:38+0000 <antoviaque> or if you have questions along the way 2011-06-13 10:17:41+0000 <blanchard> ok don't hesitate to ping me anytime while you start looking at the invoice thing mtyaka 2011-06-13 10:18:09+0000 <mtyaka> great, thanks 2011-06-13 10:18:39+0000 <mtyaka> I'm sorry, but I'll have to leave soon - I have a meeting at my current employer. 2011-06-13 10:18:47+0000 <antoviaque> no problem 2011-06-13 10:18:50+0000 <mtyaka> Can we continue the discussion another time? 2011-06-13 10:18:57+0000 <antoviaque> Sure 2011-06-13 10:19:03+0000 <antoviaque> this way you have time to look around 2011-06-13 10:19:11+0000 <mtyaka> Great, thanks! 2011-06-13 10:19:16+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-06-13 10:19:21+0000 <antoviaque> have a good meeting! 2011-06-13 10:19:29+0000 <mtyaka> Thanks :) 2011-06-13 10:19:31+0000 <antoviaque> and thanks for your time : ) 2011-06-13 10:19:39+0000 <mtyaka> My pleasure 2011-06-13 10:19:43+0000 <mtyaka> see you later 2011-06-13 10:28:17+0000 <dachary> divya: hi 2011-06-13 10:28:35+0000 <divya> dachary: hi 2011-06-13 10:29:08+0000 <divya> I've a question is cardstrories registered to debian repository 2011-06-13 10:29:27+0000 <divya> I can not get it using apt-get install 2011-06-13 10:48:18+0000 tempuramerino (tempuramerino) is now online 2011-06-13 11:05:35+0000 <dachary> divya: it is http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?packages=cardstories 2011-06-13 11:05:56+0000 <dachary> and also in ubuntu 2011-06-13 11:05:57+0000 <dachary> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cardstories 2011-06-13 11:06:03+0000 <dachary> but only recently 2011-06-13 11:06:13+0000 <dachary> which distribution are you using ? 2011-06-13 11:18:34+0000 <divya> dachary: 10.04 2011-06-13 11:18:43+0000 <divya> ubuntu 2011-06-13 11:22:53+0000 <dachary> divya: cardstories is more recent ;-) 2011-06-13 11:23:20+0000 <dachary> divya: you will, however, find repositories suited for your distribution 2011-06-13 11:23:42+0000 <dachary> they are maintained here http://cardstori.es/trac/#Install 2011-06-13 11:25:03+0000 <dachary> I suggest you try Maverick 2011-06-13 11:25:14+0000 <dachary> which is slightly more recent 2011-06-13 11:25:22+0000 <dachary> and let me know if you have any trouble 2011-06-13 11:29:39+0000 <divya> dachary: ok sure 2011-06-13 11:34:09+0000 <divya> dachary: thanks :) 2011-06-13 11:50:21+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-06-13 12:40:07+0000 * blanchard is catching up with some games, for instance http://www.kongregate.com/games/undefined/elements-of-arkandia 2011-06-13 12:40:50+0000 <blanchard> maybe not a good design, maybe a bit hardcore, but quite addictive :) 2011-06-13 12:42:36+0000 <blanchard> interesting mechanism of debt 2011-06-13 12:42:40+0000 <dachary> :-D 2011-06-13 12:45:01+0000 <dachary> blanchard: for rmll.info it would be great to have a very large cardstories poster (2M high 1M wide in a mounted frame) that explains the game steps. 2011-06-13 12:45:41+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: ^ 2011-06-13 12:45:59+0000 <blanchard> maybe we could reuse for the poster what is going to be done on the first screen dachary 2011-06-13 12:46:06+0000 * blanchard looking for the ticket 2011-06-13 12:46:28+0000 <dachary> yes 2011-06-13 12:46:44+0000 <dachary> exactly 2011-06-13 12:47:04+0000 <blanchard> http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/61 2011-06-13 12:49:41+0000 tempuramerino (tempuramerino) is now online 2011-06-13 12:52:40+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: blanchard: good idea the poster : ) 2011-06-13 12:53:06+0000 <antoviaque> We may have to hide it sometimes to not tamper with the playtests, but it's a good idea : ) 2011-06-13 12:53:30+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I'm glad you like it. I can picture myself explaining the game in front of it. It would be less sexy explaining it in front of a screen and being forced to bend and type things in the process. 2011-06-13 12:53:41+0000 <antoviaque> hehe 2011-06-13 12:53:53+0000 <antoviaque> remember that the main goal is playtesting though ;p 2011-06-13 12:54:38+0000 <antoviaque> http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/145 2011-06-13 12:56:23+0000 * antoviaque scratches his head at the list of 41 new tickets he will have to sort out tomorrow ;) 2011-06-13 12:57:16+0000 * blanchard would be glad to help if needed (i kind of like sorting tickets :p) 2011-06-13 12:57:27+0000 <antoviaque> crazy guy : ) 2011-06-13 12:57:32+0000 <blanchard> haha 2011-06-13 12:57:37+0000 <antoviaque> well you can definitely help yep 2011-06-13 12:58:11+0000 <antoviaque> the first step is to go through the tickets to make them a bit clearer (add explanations, sort by categories and importance, etc.) 2011-06-13 12:58:18+0000 <blanchard> else i can also play elements of arkandia tomorrow, i like it even more than sorting tickets 2011-06-13 12:58:41+0000 <antoviaque> most of them are just notes taken in a hurry right now 2011-06-13 12:58:55+0000 <blanchard> ok antoviaque you ping me tomorrow on this when you start ? 2011-06-13 12:59:06+0000 <antoviaque> ah you can start now if you want 2011-06-13 12:59:11+0000 <blanchard> no :) 2011-06-13 12:59:20+0000 <blanchard> lunch (late) 2011-06-13 12:59:50+0000 <antoviaque> ahah : ) 2011-06-13 13:00:12+0000 <blanchard> and then akandia a bit, i need to get to the bottom of this game 2011-06-13 13:00:59+0000 <blanchard> i'm sure that deep beneath the crazy accessibility issues i face now, there is some great ideas for our games 2011-06-13 13:01:03+0000 <blanchard> hehe 2011-06-13 13:02:13+0000 <dachary> ahaha 2011-06-13 13:02:19+0000 <dachary> crazy guys 2011-06-13 13:04:09+0000 <dachary> regarding Matjaz Gregoric do you think my assessment of him doing jquery works still stands ? 2011-06-13 13:04:17+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: ^ 2011-06-13 13:32:45+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: yup, definitely 2011-06-13 13:34:52+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I'm glad. Did you learn anything else about Matjaz that you'd like to share ? 2011-06-13 13:36:10+0000 <antoviaque> nothing that you couldn't have seen by yourself : ) during the presentation I'm mostly the one talking to explain the way farsides works, the real test is the interaction in the chat and the test task : ) 2011-06-13 13:37:06+0000 * antoviaque tries hard to keep everything public : ) 2011-06-13 13:38:39+0000 * dachary was kind of fishing for a oneliner executive summary ;-) 2011-06-13 13:51:58+0000 <antoviaque> ahaha : ) 2011-06-13 13:52:34+0000 <antoviaque> The contact was good, Matjaz seem to be nice - but I have to see how it goes to form an opinion 2011-06-13 15:02:04+0000 <divya> dachary: I tried to install the deb package for marverick and it got screwed not able to resolve the dependencies .... I am not even able to purge it, could you please just list me all the dependencies to avoid such problems 2011-06-13 15:03:02+0000 <dachary> divya: I will try to build the packages for lucid 2011-06-13 15:03:41+0000 <dachary> lucid = 10.04 2011-06-13 15:04:22+0000 <divya> hey now I am installing it on marverick 2011-06-13 15:05:40+0000 <dachary> ah 2011-06-13 15:05:41+0000 <dachary> :-D 2011-06-13 15:06:01+0000 <dachary> divya: so the problem you have is on maverick ? 2011-06-13 15:06:04+0000 <divya> dachary: I created a marverick vm 2011-06-13 15:06:10+0000 <divya> dachary: yes 2011-06-13 15:06:25+0000 <dachary> could you please pastebin the errors you got ? 2011-06-13 15:09:47+0000 romulo (romulo) is now online 2011-06-13 15:09:50+0000 <romulo> good morning 2011-06-13 15:11:31+0000 <dachary> divya: ^ 2011-06-13 15:11:36+0000 <dachary> romulo: hi 2011-06-13 15:12:25+0000 <romulo> dachary, is #68 reproductible on your machine? 2011-06-13 15:12:54+0000 <divya> ls 2011-06-13 15:13:07+0000 <dachary> romulo: I'm working on another project today. 2011-06-13 15:13:19+0000 <romulo> dachary, oh i see. 2011-06-13 15:14:52+0000 <romulo> dachary, do you see any problem on me erasing my gitorious? Its quite outdated now and merging it with cardstories will do no good (since the email patch is already merged) 2011-06-13 15:25:35+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, ping 2011-06-13 15:27:21+0000 <romulo> blanchard, poke me when you come back, i have the number 2011-06-13 15:31:15+0000 <dachary> divya: could you please pastebin the errors you got ? 2011-06-13 15:31:25+0000 <blanchard> romulo: hi 2011-06-13 15:31:26+0000 <blanchard> ello 2011-06-13 15:31:33+0000 <romulo> hi there =] 2011-06-13 15:31:36+0000 <blanchard> :) 2011-06-13 15:38:41+0000 <divya> when I try to purge I get http://pastebin.com/EwJW9Ft8 2011-06-13 15:39:04+0000 <divya> dachary: ^^ 2011-06-13 15:39:36+0000 <dachary> divya: could you send me the errors you got when you tried to install ? 2011-06-13 15:44:55+0000 <divya> dachary: this time I tried in a different vm, with python-lxml and python-twisted-mail preinstalled, I got the following error 2011-06-13 15:44:57+0000 <divya> http://pastebin.com/U3QwD75V 2011-06-13 15:45:02+0000 <divya> dachary: ^^ 2011-06-13 15:45:25+0000 <dachary> divya: I think this is a bug in the postrm script 2011-06-13 15:45:50+0000 <divya> dachary: is there any other way I could setup 2011-06-13 15:46:24+0000 <dachary> unless you feel in the mood of debuging it, I suggest you sudo vi /var/lib/dpkg/info/cardstories.postrm and and exit 0 before nginx_remove() { 2011-06-13 15:46:31+0000 <dachary> divya: that should take care of it 2011-06-13 15:52:43+0000 <divya> dachary: thanks purge works now :) 2011-06-13 15:56:00+0000 <dachary> http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/146 divya < it will be fixed eventually 2011-06-13 15:57:05+0000 <divya> dachary: you are fast 2011-06-13 16:02:39+0000 <divya> dachary: trying to install with apache2, i got the error http://pastebin.com/Pj4trwUn 2011-06-13 16:02:46+0000 <antoviaque> romulo: pong : ) 2011-06-13 16:03:09+0000 <divya> dachary: do I need to install a separate package for twisted.conch 2011-06-13 16:04:14+0000 * antoviaque is rebooting, sound got all screwed up, missing chat notifications 2011-06-13 16:05:10+0000 <dachary> divya: I don't think so 2011-06-13 16:05:41+0000 <divya> dachary: usually which server you configure it with ? 2011-06-13 16:05:57+0000 <dachary> divya: you should do as intructed in the trac page 2011-06-13 16:05:59+0000 <dachary> not sudo dpkg --install cardstories_1.0.3-1_all.deb 2011-06-13 16:06:25+0000 <dachary> add 2011-06-13 16:06:26+0000 <dachary> deb  http://cardstori.es/packaging-farm/cardstories/gnulinux/debian/x86_64/maverick/src ./ 2011-06-13 16:06:30+0000 <dachary> in /etc/apt/sources.list 2011-06-13 16:06:33+0000 <dachary> apt-get update 2011-06-13 16:06:36+0000 <dachary> sudo apt-get update 2011-06-13 16:06:44+0000 <dachary> apt-get install cardstories 2011-06-13 16:07:00+0000 <dachary> otherwise you will need to install the dependencies manually and it will be painfull 2011-06-13 16:08:05+0000 <divya> dachary: oops I dint notice the page, which page you are pointing to 2011-06-13 16:09:00+0000 <dachary> http://cardstori.es/trac/#Install 2011-06-13 16:12:44+0000 <antoviaque> divya: oh it's true those are missing from the developer doc 2011-06-13 16:12:49+0000 * antoviaque adding it 2011-06-13 16:13:28+0000 <antoviaque> sorry, my bad 2011-06-13 16:15:39+0000 <divya> antoviaque: thats ok, I am afraid I won't be able to give you fix today as promised 2011-06-13 16:16:15+0000 <antoviaque> no worries, I understand how this can have delayed you 2011-06-13 16:16:24+0000 <antoviaque> tomorrow instead? 2011-06-13 16:17:11+0000 <divya> antoviaque: hope this was not very urgent getting delayed coz of my fault 2011-06-13 16:17:55+0000 <divya> dachary: which version of python does it work with 2011-06-13 16:18:35+0000 <antoviaque> divya: no, a one day delay is ok, especially during the learning phase : ) 2011-06-13 16:19:09+0000 <dachary> divya: python-2.6 for sure 2011-06-13 16:19:21+0000 <dachary> python-2.5 & 2.7 most probably too 2011-06-13 16:19:25+0000 <antoviaque> http://farsides.com/wiki/Card_Stories_-_Developer_Documentation fixed 2011-06-13 16:21:54+0000 <divya> dachary: now installing it as by the above method you suggested, I get http://pastebin.com/wkTwX571 2011-06-13 16:22:51+0000 <dachary> divya: could you please show me the line you added to /etc/apt/sources.list ? 2011-06-13 16:23:23+0000 <divya> I added deb http://cardstori.es/packaging-farm/cardstories/gnulinux/debian/x86_64/unstable/src ./ 2011-06-13 16:23:24+0000 <divya> deb-src http://cardstori.es/packaging-farm/cardstories/gnulinux/debian/x86_64/unstable/src ./ 2011-06-13 16:23:41+0000 <dachary> your distribution is maverick 2011-06-13 16:23:55+0000 <dachary> you copy/pasted the wrong lines 2011-06-13 16:24:01+0000 <divya> dachary: oops let me check if I have put the same line 2011-06-13 16:24:16+0000 <divya> I just copy pasted from browser to put it here 2011-06-13 16:24:55+0000 <divya> dachary: sorry my mistake 2011-06-13 16:28:29+0000 <divya> dachary: I still get the same error ImportError: No module named conch 2011-06-13 16:29:19+0000 <dachary> divya: sudo apt-get install python-twisted-conch 2011-06-13 16:29:50+0000 <divya> dachary: but this should have resolved the dependency right ? 2011-06-13 16:30:02+0000 <dachary> it's apparently missing 2011-06-13 16:30:16+0000 <dachary> divya: let me know if it works and I'll add it to the list of dependencies 2011-06-13 16:30:16+0000 <divya> ok 2011-06-13 16:31:13+0000 <dachary> ah, it's because of manhole 2011-06-13 16:31:17+0000 <dachary> definitely missing 2011-06-13 16:32:02+0000 <dachary> divya: added http://cardstori.es/trac/changeset/f0d8d32df5e9b072a34fc4c6512f26f84645b71f/ 2011-06-13 16:32:08+0000 <dachary> it will be in the next build 2011-06-13 16:32:34+0000 <divya> ok 2011-06-13 16:33:59+0000 <divya> dachary: how can I test if its installed properly 2011-06-13 16:36:08+0000 <dachary> http://localhost:4293/ 2011-06-13 16:36:14+0000 <dachary> what does it say ? 2011-06-13 16:36:28+0000 <dachary> http://localhost:4923/ 2011-06-13 16:36:55+0000 <dachary> did you select nginx configuration or apache configuration ? 2011-06-13 16:37:37+0000 <divya> strange things are happening 2011-06-13 16:38:07+0000 <dachary> divya: could you be a little more specific ? 2011-06-13 16:43:12+0000 <divya> now after installing python-twisted-conch, I resumed to install install but it dint ask me for server http://pastebin.com/Fh60pKwk 2011-06-13 16:43:49+0000 <divya> dachary: that is why I got confused if it happened properly and asked you as how I can check if its working properly 2011-06-13 16:45:46+0000 <dachary> hum 2011-06-13 16:46:04+0000 <divya> dachary: any clue ? 2011-06-13 16:46:18+0000 <dachary> what if you try to access http://localhost:4293/ with your browser ? 2011-06-13 16:46:25+0000 <dachary> sorry 2011-06-13 16:46:26+0000 <dachary> dam 2011-06-13 16:46:31+0000 <dachary> http://localhost:4923/ 2011-06-13 16:46:45+0000 <divya> It says Unable to connect 2011-06-13 16:49:34+0000 <dachary> could you try 2011-06-13 16:49:39+0000 <dachary> /etc/init.d/cardstories start 2011-06-13 16:49:57+0000 <dachary> and try again 2011-06-13 16:50:04+0000 <dachary> or let me know what error you get 2011-06-13 16:50:39+0000 <divya> unrecognized service error 2011-06-13 16:51:07+0000 <divya> but I see cardstories present in /etc/init.d 2011-06-13 16:51:07+0000 <dachary> hum 2011-06-13 16:51:29+0000 <dachary> bash -x /etc/init.d/cardstories start | pastebinit 2011-06-13 16:51:34+0000 <dachary> bash -x /etc/init.d/cardstories start 2>&1 | pastebinit 2011-06-13 16:51:43+0000 <dachary> apt-get install pastebinit 2011-06-13 16:51:45+0000 <dachary> before that 2011-06-13 16:51:56+0000 <dachary> it will sent the full trace of what happens in pastebin 2011-06-13 16:54:57+0000 <divya> http://pastebin.com/NFiyiqe8 2011-06-13 16:56:15+0000 <divya> I guess exceptions.OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/etc/cardstories/twisted/plugins/u1zx5PTrUtvLMGi4dropin.cache.new' is the culprit 2011-06-13 16:57:53+0000 <divya> dachary: I am very late, its 10.30 pm here and I am still in office .... got to go home, may be I shall come online after reaching home 2011-06-13 16:58:28+0000 * divya says bye to everyone 2011-06-13 16:58:38+0000 <antoviaque> bye divya : ) 2011-06-13 17:02:38+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-06-13 17:04:20+0000 <dachary> divya caught another packaging bug http://cardstori.es/trac/changeset/747d7ff95d65c1b6ce4791c78721a59b271b7166/ 2011-06-13 17:24:06+0000 tempuramerino (tempuramerino) is now online 2011-06-13 18:57:09+0000 * dachary is back 2011-06-13 19:06:57+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: any objection about me re-installing cardstori.es ? 2011-06-13 19:18:48+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: resinstalling? nope, unless there are some side effects? 2011-06-13 19:19:28+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: no undesirable side effects, as far as i can tell 2011-06-13 19:20:39+0000 <antoviaque> no problem at all then : ) 2011-06-13 19:27:16+0000 <dachary> version 1.0.4 is available 2011-06-13 19:27:19+0000 <dachary> and installed 2011-06-13 19:27:50+0000 <dachary> including fixes related to divya installation problems 2011-06-13 19:28:04+0000 <dachary> (except for the --purge that I did not figure out yet) 2011-06-13 19:31:17+0000 <dachary> blanchard: http://cardstori.es/?game_id=187 2011-06-13 19:31:19+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: ^ 2011-06-13 19:31:21+0000 <dachary> romulo: ^ 2011-06-13 19:31:24+0000 <dachary> eve_: ^ 2011-06-13 19:31:24+0000 <eve> dachary: *blink* 2011-06-13 19:31:33+0000 <dachary> /kick eve 2011-06-13 19:32:23+0000 <antoviaque> chosen :D 2011-06-13 19:34:16+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: ^ 2011-06-13 19:34:17+0000 <dachary> vote 2011-06-13 19:34:19+0000 * dachary need 2011-06-13 19:34:22+0000 * dachary vote 2011-06-13 19:34:26+0000 <dachary> need 2011-06-13 19:34:30+0000 * dachary PITA 2011-06-13 19:34:51+0000 <antoviaque> here it is pita :P 2011-06-13 19:35:04+0000 <dachary> dam 2011-06-13 19:35:24+0000 <dachary> honestly 2011-06-13 19:35:27+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: 2011-06-13 19:35:36+0000 <dachary> it *looks* like a fucking saucepan 2011-06-13 19:35:47+0000 <dachary> not a *flying saucer* for fuck sake 2011-06-13 19:35:52+0000 <dachary> ahahah 2011-06-13 19:38:52+0000 <dachary> I see rogerio has a pending review 2011-06-13 19:38:58+0000 <dachary> I'll get to it tomorrow morning 2011-06-13 19:43:55+0000 <romulo> ill have one today too 2011-06-13 19:43:56+0000 <romulo> :D 2011-06-13 19:44:46+0000 <romulo> as soon as my computer stop bitching @ me 2011-06-13 19:53:25+0000 <dachary> review complete 2011-06-13 19:53:40+0000 <dachary> I could not resist ;-) 2011-06-13 19:56:12+0000 <antoviaque> hi romulo : ) 2011-06-13 19:56:15+0000 <romulo> dachary, my internet access here is slow at its best 2011-06-13 19:56:20+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: ahahah 2011-06-13 19:56:26+0000 <romulo> can i send you a patch for my commit? 2011-06-13 19:56:32+0000 <romulo> instead of uploading to gitorious 2011-06-13 20:00:01+0000 <romulo> forget it, repository almost up 2011-06-13 20:02:35+0000 <romulo> http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/65 2011-06-13 20:02:38+0000 <romulo> going to class, cya o/ 2011-06-13 20:07:02+0000 <dachary> http://cardstori.es/?game_id=188 2011-06-13 20:07:11+0000 <dachary> blanchard: ^ 2011-06-13 20:07:13+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: ^ 2011-06-13 20:07:14+0000 <dachary> need 2011-06-13 20:07:19+0000 * dachary pita 2011-06-13 20:09:52+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: I've a bug 2011-06-13 20:10:31+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: rah, you switch the state right before I could take the screenshot : ) 2011-06-13 20:10:32+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: you're late 2011-06-13 20:10:47+0000 <dachary> the visitor page does not exist 2011-06-13 20:10:51+0000 <dachary> it's blank 2011-06-13 20:10:53+0000 <antoviaque> ahhh - it's the case where someone arrives late, true 2011-06-13 20:10:54+0000 <dachary> no mockup 2011-06-13 20:10:57+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-06-13 20:11:00+0000 <dachary> need 2011-06-13 20:11:02+0000 * dachary pita 2011-06-13 20:11:09+0000 <antoviaque> I thought you were waiting for me, sniff! 2011-06-13 20:11:12+0000 <antoviaque> :d 2011-06-13 20:12:58+0000 <dachary> http://cardstori.es/?game_id=190 2011-06-13 20:13:32+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: ^ 2011-06-13 20:13:35+0000 <dachary> blanchard: ^ 2011-06-13 20:14:37+0000 <antoviaque> done, but tough choice : ) 2011-06-13 20:14:55+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: the visitor view becomes urgent 2011-06-13 20:15:18+0000 <dachary> unless there is an organized playtest, a good number of people will arrive too late 2011-06-13 20:16:07+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: agreed - elevated the priority of http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/36 2011-06-13 20:16:14+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: thanks 2011-06-13 20:16:51+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: vote 2011-06-13 20:16:53+0000 <dachary> need vote 2011-06-13 20:22:16+0000 <dachary> when you're in multiple games at the same time the lobby becomes increasingly important 2011-06-13 20:22:32+0000 <dachary> at the moment it does not show if an action is required of you or not 2011-06-13 20:23:49+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: what the fuck happened to http://tickest.farsides.com/ ! 2011-06-13 20:24:24+0000 <dachary> it's back 2011-06-13 20:25:27+0000 <dachary> http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/147 2011-06-13 20:26:02+0000 <antoviaque> very true - thanks for the ticket : ) 2011-06-13 20:27:22+0000 <dachary> (10:10:08 PM) rodo: dachary: j'ai cliqué sur next et j'ai une belle page avec des fleurs, mais impossible de faire quoi que ce soit 2011-06-13 20:27:22+0000 <dachary> (10:10:22 PM) dachary: rodo: tu es arrivé trop tard 2011-06-13 20:27:45+0000 <dachary> (10:09:05 PM) taziden: je comprends juste rien en fait :) 2011-06-13 20:28:00+0000 <dachary> (10:09:26 PM) taziden: mais c'est bien foutu et sous agplv3 <3 2011-06-13 20:28:28+0000 <dachary> (10:12:35 PM) taziden: aaaah, je viens de comprendre 2011-06-13 20:28:28+0000 <dachary> (10:12:40 PM) taziden: c'est mignon 2011-06-13 20:28:40+0000 <dachary> (no explanations in between) 2011-06-13 20:39:10+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: could you go to #cardstories please / 2011-06-13 20:39:10+0000 <dachary> ? 2011-06-13 20:39:29+0000 <dachary> you need to be there for me to op you on the channel i just registered 2011-06-13 20:44:36+0000 <antoviaque> :p 2011-06-13 21:30:34+0000 <dachary> http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/148 2011-06-13 21:44:19+0000 * dachary removed mail notifications on pick & vote 2011-06-13 21:44:53+0000 <dachary> it's spaming my mailbox like crazy, this is insane 2011-06-13 22:00:30+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: do you still receive these notifications every 5 minutes ? 2011-06-13 23:28:05+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: I don't seem to be nope 2011-06-13 23:33:56+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I can't figure it out 2011-06-13 23:34:11+0000 <dachary> that's going to be a tough one ;-) 2011-06-13 23:34:13+0000 <antoviaque> very strange bug indeed 2011-06-13 23:34:23+0000 <dachary> 5min is the timeout 2011-06-13 23:34:26+0000 <dachary> poll timeout 2011-06-13 23:34:56+0000 <dachary> and it keeps occuring 2011-06-13 23:35:17+0000 <dachary> *only* in solo games that reached "complete" state 2011-06-13 23:35:21+0000 <antoviaque> yup, thought about that - it could happen when we leave the browser open, and it would explain why it suddenly stopped in the middle of the day for me 2011-06-13 23:35:33+0000 <antoviaque> oh, solo games 2011-06-13 23:37:39+0000 <dachary> yup 2011-06-13 23:37:49+0000 <dachary> it stopped when I re-installed 2011-06-13 23:37:55+0000 <dachary> I know how to reproduce the problem 2011-06-13 23:38:34+0000 <dachary> I kind of like these last few bugs 2011-06-13 23:38:39+0000 <dachary> real bastards 2011-06-13 23:39:00+0000 <dachary> only the most vicious survive ;-) 2011-06-13 23:41:21+0000 <dachary> I'm making a game on cardstori.es antoviaque please don't try it
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