Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2011-06-15.
2011-06-15 07:26:28+0000 blanchard (blanchard) is now offline 2011-06-15 07:32:33+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: ahah, crazy guy : ) *didn't understand anything at recuit simule* :P 2011-06-15 07:34:23+0000 <antoviaque> for the minified JS and the single image, yep - not the most urgent task but something that would be good to have one day yep : ) 2011-06-15 07:34:53+0000 <dachary> yep 2011-06-15 08:00:11+0000 laurent__ (laurent__) is now online 2011-06-15 08:00:17+0000 <laurent__> Hi all 2011-06-15 08:00:40+0000 <laurent__> antoviaque: Hi Xavier 2011-06-15 08:01:24+0000 <laurent__> antoviaque: for menilmontant, i don't know where it is, not at 62 bd de Reuilly ? 2011-06-15 08:19:17+0000 * dachary preparing 1.0.4 for publication on debian 2011-06-15 08:19:28+0000 <dachary> http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?packages=cardstories 2011-06-15 08:19:37+0000 <dachary> shows all bugs have been closed 2011-06-15 08:21:07+0000 Laurent__ (Laurent__) is now online 2011-06-15 08:22:15+0000 <dachary> cardstories 1.0.4 installed on http://cardstori.es/ 2011-06-15 08:22:19+0000 blanchard (blanchard) is now online 2011-06-15 08:22:27+0000 <dachary> the changes are really small though 2011-06-15 08:30:39+0000 * dachary uploading cardstories-1.0.4 to debian 2011-06-15 08:31:01+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I'm using git tag -s to sign the releases 2011-06-15 08:31:20+0000 <dachary> if you pull the latest, you should be able to verify my signature with 2011-06-15 08:31:25+0000 <dachary> git tag -v 1.0.3 2011-06-15 08:31:26+0000 <dachary> or 2011-06-15 08:31:29+0000 <dachary> git tag -v 1.0.4 2011-06-15 08:31:49+0000 <dachary> I've never used it before and I'd be gratefull if you could confirm that it works for you 2011-06-15 08:37:34+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: I had tried when you asked last time and it didn't work - let me try again 2011-06-15 08:42:56+0000 <blanchard> beer -> http://papillon.peacefrogs.net/poll/ZlKj8w1308126597 2011-06-15 08:44:13+0000 <antoviaque> antoviaque@antoviaque-laptop:~/tmp$ git clone http://cardstori.es/cardstories.git 2011-06-15 08:44:13+0000 <antoviaque> Cloning into cardstories... 2011-06-15 08:44:13+0000 <antoviaque> antoviaque@antoviaque-laptop:~/tmp$ cd cardstories/ 2011-06-15 08:44:13+0000 <antoviaque> error: tag '1.0.4' not found. 2011-06-15 08:44:13+0000 <antoviaque> antoviaque@antoviaque-laptop:~/tmp/cardstories$ git tag -v 1.0.4 2011-06-15 08:44:17+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: ^ 2011-06-15 09:07:45+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: Am I doing something wrong? 2011-06-15 09:08:20+0000 <dachary> hum 2011-06-15 09:08:43+0000 <dachary> no, it's not wrong 2011-06-15 09:09:06+0000 <dachary> I wonder how it gets propagated 2011-06-15 09:09:09+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-06-15 09:10:40+0000 <dachary> http://cardstori.es/?game_id=214&; 2011-06-15 09:12:07+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: ^ 2011-06-15 09:12:09+0000 <dachary> blanchard: ^ 2011-06-15 09:12:11+0000 <dachary> tartarugafeliz: ^ 2011-06-15 09:42:03+0000 <dachary> cardstories_1.0.4-1_amd64.changes ACCEPTED into unstable 2011-06-15 09:42:56+0000 <dachary> http://cardstori.es/?game_id=214 amazing spread 2011-06-15 09:43:10+0000 <antoviaque> yeyey!! 2011-06-15 09:43:20+0000 * antoviaque is winning again!!! hahahaha 2011-06-15 09:46:11+0000 <tartarugafeliz> http://cardstori.es/?game_id=217&; 2011-06-15 11:02:38+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2011-06-15 11:02:49+0000 <arbrandes> Hi folks 2011-06-15 11:03:11+0000 <blanchard> hi there 2011-06-15 11:03:43+0000 <blanchard> how are you arbrandes ? 2011-06-15 11:04:03+0000 <arbrandes> Fine, blanchard! You? 2011-06-15 11:04:08+0000 <blanchard> i wanted to discuss with you about the payment of the test task 2011-06-15 11:04:10+0000 <blanchard> good :) 2011-06-15 11:04:22+0000 <blanchard> Usually we pay the first task 2011-06-15 11:05:20+0000 <blanchard> but antoviaque mentioned that you discussed it briefly together 2011-06-15 11:05:46+0000 <arbrandes> Yes, I understand. But if it's all the same to you guys, I'd like to do it in "open source spirit". If you guys like what you see, THEN we can discuss payment for the next ones. :) 2011-06-15 11:05:47+0000 <blanchard> and that you had another view on it :) 2011-06-15 11:06:08+0000 <blanchard> if you feel like doing it this way, I won't push you :) 2011-06-15 11:06:17+0000 <arbrandes> Hehehe, ok, then we're set! 2011-06-15 11:06:31+0000 <blanchard> Then can we quickly discuss the topic of after so that i can start working on my side 2011-06-15 11:07:04+0000 <arbrandes> Okeydokey 2011-06-15 11:07:06+0000 <blanchard> i saw in your answer to the job board that you were expecting 3k⬠after taxes correct ? 2011-06-15 11:07:24+0000 <arbrandes> Well, that is what I make nowadays in my full-time day job. 2011-06-15 11:07:29+0000 <blanchard> oki 2011-06-15 11:07:50+0000 <arbrandes> If I am to maintain my standard of living, a full time job would have to pay something like that. However... 2011-06-15 11:08:02+0000 <blanchard> my first question is that i have no idea about taxes in Brazil => do you know what would be the cost for Farsides to achieve that ? 2011-06-15 11:08:21+0000 <arbrandes> Ok, let me answer that first: 2011-06-15 11:08:23+0000 <blanchard> i understand 2011-06-15 11:09:39+0000 <arbrandes> If I were emit invoices through a company of the type we call "Limitada" (for "limited") here in Brazil, I would pay very little taxes; it is something below 1%. 2011-06-15 11:09:54+0000 <arbrandes> 0,88%, if I'm not mistaken. 2011-06-15 11:10:29+0000 <blanchard> impressive ;) Would it be possible for you to do it this way ? 2011-06-15 11:10:44+0000 <arbrandes> This of course only applies to services rendered to companies abroad, which is the case. 2011-06-15 11:11:05+0000 <arbrandes> Yes, that is what I intend to do! There is only one (initial) complication: 2011-06-15 11:13:24+0000 <arbrandes> I am a partner in such a company, so I can emit invoices immediately. However, said company's denomination does not allow rendering specific programming or such services. In other words, I can't just say in the invoice that I helped develop cardstories. To do so, I will have to change the company's denomination or open another one, and both processes aren't very quick or very cheap. 2011-06-15 11:14:03+0000 <arbrandes> What I'm saying is: changing the denomination is what I intend to do, but it won't happen overnight. 2011-06-15 11:14:16+0000 <blanchard> i get your point 2011-06-15 11:15:00+0000 <arbrandes> The alternative: emiting an invoice as an individual. But that will incur in 27.5% taxes! 2011-06-15 11:15:00+0000 <blanchard> how much time do you think it would take ? 2011-06-15 11:15:22+0000 <blanchard> hehe 2011-06-15 11:16:18+0000 <blanchard> what i have in mind then is that we could do it in two steps => begin with invoices as individual until we can switch to emiting as a company 2011-06-15 11:16:20+0000 <arbrandes> If I start the process now, I believe it'll take around two months. 2011-06-15 11:16:26+0000 <blanchard> ok 2011-06-15 11:16:55+0000 <arbrandes> Ok, that is exactly what I was going to suggest. 2011-06-15 11:17:03+0000 <blanchard> ok good 2011-06-15 11:17:10+0000 <arbrandes> Of course, this all depends on how well you guys get along with my code. :) 2011-06-15 11:17:22+0000 <arbrandes> (and vice versa, hehehehe) 2011-06-15 11:17:27+0000 <blanchard> :) 2011-06-15 11:18:03+0000 <blanchard> yep. I'll check on my side what we can offer you and we discuss again after your first task, good for you ? 2011-06-15 11:18:10+0000 <arbrandes> As a matter of fact, I have a couple of design questions. antoviaque or dachary, you guys around? 2011-06-15 11:18:20+0000 <arbrandes> Good for me, thanks blanchard 2011-06-15 11:18:29+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: hi : ) 2011-06-15 11:18:33+0000 <blanchard> There is also the question of the amount of time you'll want to dedicate to Farsides of course 2011-06-15 11:18:33+0000 <antoviaque> yup, I'm around ;p 2011-06-15 11:18:56+0000 <blanchard> we can discuss it all together after the task, thanks to you arbrandes :) 2011-06-15 11:18:58+0000 <dachary> yes 2011-06-15 11:19:02+0000 <antoviaque> I'll have to leave shortly for a meeting, but I'll be glad to answer you if I can : ) 2011-06-15 11:19:08+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: I'm here 2011-06-15 11:20:10+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard, yes, that is something that I'll have to decide very soon! To be completely honest, I'm not sure yet. But let's talk about it after the first task. 2011-06-15 11:21:00+0000 <arbrandes> Hi antoviaque, dachary! Good morning! First question, a quickie: do we have art for a registration / login page? 2011-06-15 11:21:30+0000 <dachary> Good morning. 2011-06-15 11:22:09+0000 <dachary> not that I know. But antoviaque and tartarugafeliz know better and I may have overlooked something. 2011-06-15 11:22:34+0000 <arbrandes> Ok 2011-06-15 11:22:53+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: nope, only the home that just asks for an email http://cardstori.es/?skin=email but so far we haven't developped the registration/login workflows 2011-06-15 11:23:09+0000 <arbrandes> Ok, that is exactly what I'm after: the registration user story 2011-06-15 11:23:48+0000 <arbrandes> Which relates to how Facebook will integrate with it all 2011-06-15 11:23:59+0000 <antoviaque> the main reason why there is none is that the original specs where meant to have a facebook-only game, so there would be no registration workflow 2011-06-15 11:24:14+0000 <arbrandes> Ok... so I take it Facebook is optional, then? 2011-06-15 11:24:26+0000 <arbrandes> The user will be able to register *without* using FB. 2011-06-15 11:24:28+0000 <antoviaque> yep, we changed our mind about this 2011-06-15 11:24:51+0000 <antoviaque> there should be a way to play without fb 2011-06-15 11:25:22+0000 <antoviaque> but it's true that it's definitely a requirement for your task - sorry for this shameful oversight : ) 2011-06-15 11:25:35+0000 <arbrandes> No problems, this is what "agile" is all about, heheheh 2011-06-15 11:25:41+0000 <antoviaque> : ) 2011-06-15 11:25:47+0000 <antoviaque> let me think to see how we could approach that part 2011-06-15 11:26:09+0000 <arbrandes> I spent yesterday evening reading up on Facebook OpenGraph and what can, and can't, or shouldn't, offer. 2011-06-15 11:26:20+0000 <arbrandes> *cardstories can 2011-06-15 11:26:58+0000 <arbrandes> I surmise from talks with dachary that this will all be distributed as packages on linux distros, right? 2011-06-15 11:27:23+0000 <arbrandes> This affects FB integration because, put simply, to integrate with FB you need a domain and a private API key. 2011-06-15 11:27:27+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-06-15 11:27:39+0000 <dachary> right 2011-06-15 11:28:01+0000 <arbrandes> So what I'm feeling is that, naturally, the domain and API keys should be configurable by the user. 2011-06-15 11:28:15+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: yes 2011-06-15 11:28:27+0000 <arbrandes> And by "user", I mean the user of the package, of course 2011-06-15 11:28:35+0000 <dachary> the sysadmin 2011-06-15 11:28:40+0000 <arbrandes> yup 2011-06-15 11:28:58+0000 <dachary> it's somewhat similar to what you have to do when you install a web server with a SSL certificate 2011-06-15 11:29:21+0000 <arbrandes> Ok, so the package installer will possibly ask some questions 2011-06-15 11:30:07+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: for the login we can start with something very simple - I'll try to put it quickly on a mockup now 2011-06-15 11:31:16+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, that would be nice. I know what I have to do on Django's side, but there are still a few options regarding integration with cardstories (in addition to simply requesting an external URL, which I discussed yesterday with dachary) 2011-06-15 11:32:17+0000 <arbrandes> Facebook itself provides two ways to do this: a server-side workflow, and a client-side one. 2011-06-15 11:33:25+0000 <arbrandes> https://developers.facebook.com/docs/authentication/ 2011-06-15 11:34:24+0000 <arbrandes> And in addition to all this, of course, I believe you're going to want to have simple email verification, maybe even before any Facebook stuff! 2011-06-15 11:38:08+0000 <arbrandes> Meanwhile, if anybody's curious, this is what I intend to use to help out with FB integration: https://github.com/aidanlister/django-facebook 2011-06-15 11:38:32+0000 <arbrandes> There are a few libs out there, but this seems to be the more solid and better supported. 2011-06-15 11:39:50+0000 <arbrandes> Runner-up was this one, but it seems too bloated: https://github.com/tschellenbach/Django-facebook 2011-06-15 11:42:32+0000 <dachary> reading 2011-06-15 11:43:34+0000 <dachary> Bloated libs can indeed be a problem 2011-06-15 11:44:19+0000 <dachary> I don't think we need email verification for now. 2011-06-15 11:44:27+0000 <dachary> I assume it will come up eventually. 2011-06-15 11:45:47+0000 <dachary> Because authentication is an endless list of demands and changes. Which is the primary reason why relying on a framework such as django is preferred. Implementing all authentication related features by hand would be a lot of work. 2011-06-15 11:45:51+0000 <arbrandes> Ok, but how is registration going to work without Facebook (for now)? Or should I just focus on a FB backend for this task? 2011-06-15 11:46:26+0000 <arbrandes> And for that matter, is there going to be any registration of cardstories' side? 2011-06-15 11:46:30+0000 <arbrandes> *on 2011-06-15 11:46:32+0000 <dachary> The idea is that it works in the way that is most natural to django. 2011-06-15 11:47:16+0000 <dachary> Instead of specifying how it should work, we accept the "django way" of doing things that requires the less amount of work. 2011-06-15 11:48:05+0000 <dachary> And there is no registration whatsoever in cardstories (server side) 2011-06-15 11:48:39+0000 <arbrandes> The most natural way to do it in Django is with "django registration": https://bitbucket.org/ubernostrum/django-registration/wiki/Home 2011-06-15 11:48:53+0000 <arbrandes> Assuming some king of registration is needed, of course 2011-06-15 11:49:22+0000 <arbrandes> If we're just talking "logging in", it is perfectly possible to use Facebook as a backend. 2011-06-15 11:49:55+0000 <dachary> registration is needed 2011-06-15 11:49:59+0000 <arbrandes> With no registration necessary on cardstories' (or django's) side. 2011-06-15 11:50:05+0000 <arbrandes> Ok, registration it is. 2011-06-15 11:50:12+0000 <dachary> relying on just facebook for account management would be a mistake 2011-06-15 11:50:17+0000 <arbrandes> I agree. 2011-06-15 11:50:33+0000 <arbrandes> Especially since FB should be optional, according to antoviaque. 2011-06-15 11:50:44+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-06-15 11:50:59+0000 <dachary> yes. One could play on cardstories and never have a fb account 2011-06-15 11:51:36+0000 <arbrandes> Ok, I get the drift. Thanks guys. 2011-06-15 11:52:41+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, if you have a simple mockup or workflow, that would be nice. Keep in mind that we're going to get email verification "for free" with django-registration (now that it's clear it is needed). 2011-06-15 11:53:28+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: as a first step we can probably leave email verification aside imho 2011-06-15 11:53:37+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, ok then 2011-06-15 11:54:20+0000 <antoviaque> it stops the workflow and adds a step, so we can probably see if we get abuses from the start without it, but I doubt it 2011-06-15 11:54:47+0000 <antoviaque> and in any case someone registering someone else's email can recover the account through lost password 2011-06-15 11:54:59+0000 <antoviaque> when people start abusing it we'll add it : ) 2011-06-15 11:56:31+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, ok, makes sense. But there should be at least some form of email address format validation, right? 2011-06-15 11:56:48+0000 <antoviaque> yup, that definitely 2011-06-15 11:57:23+0000 <antoviaque> btw on the JS side you can reuse the validation used on the welcome page 2011-06-15 11:57:51+0000 <antoviaque> I'll put it on the mockup but it's going to be similar 2011-06-15 11:57:54+0000 <arbrandes> Hmmm, ok, it is done client side currently 2011-06-15 11:58:54+0000 <arbrandes> Found it, you guys are using jquery.validate. cool 2011-06-15 12:02:18+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: you'll probably want to check it on the server side too to be safe, but I guess django takes care of that - it's just that it gives a better UI to have JS validation 2011-06-15 12:03:54+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, yes, that is how I felt 2011-06-15 12:13:35+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: have a look and let me know what you think : ) http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/150 2011-06-15 12:14:23+0000 <antoviaque> it would be on http://cardstori.es/?skin=email 2011-06-15 12:14:56+0000 <antoviaque> the idea is to keep it as small and unintrusive as possible for the player 2011-06-15 12:15:17+0000 <antoviaque> (smallest possible number of fields, steps, etc.) 2011-06-15 12:16:11+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, excellent!! Looks good, and what you expect is now much clearer to me. 2011-06-15 12:16:14+0000 <antoviaque> clicking on register or login would bring directly to the lobby or the requested game, as it it now with the current email field 2011-06-15 12:16:19+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: cool : ) 2011-06-15 12:16:42+0000 <arbrandes> +1 on keeping it unobstrusive 2011-06-15 12:17:23+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-06-15 12:19:29+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, regarding a deadline, I'm aiming for Sunday, is that ok? The next few days are going to be a bit hectic (probably no more than 1 or 2 hours available per day), but I'm going to have the weekend free to work on it. 2011-06-15 12:19:49+0000 <antoviaque> sounds good : ) 2011-06-15 12:19:52+0000 <arbrandes> ok 2011-06-15 12:20:14+0000 <antoviaque> and thanks for the contribution btw :D 2011-06-15 12:20:26+0000 <antoviaque> really appreciate it 2011-06-15 12:20:34+0000 <arbrandes> Oh, no problem, I'm really enjoying it so far 2011-06-15 12:20:40+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-06-15 12:20:43+0000 <arbrandes> (which is why I'm here in the first place, hehehe) 2011-06-15 12:20:50+0000 <antoviaque> ;) 2011-06-15 12:21:04+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: I will be working on sunday. However, I'm not working saturdays. 2011-06-15 12:21:13+0000 <antoviaque> ok, off to my meeting - bbl! 2011-06-15 12:21:20+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: ttyl 2011-06-15 12:21:32+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, ok, I'll try not to feel too lonely on saturday. :) 2011-06-15 12:21:36+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, later! 2011-06-15 12:21:47+0000 <dachary> :-) 2011-06-15 12:24:29+0000 <antoviaque> see you : ) 2011-06-15 12:54:05+0000 romulo (romulo) is now online 2011-06-15 12:54:10+0000 <romulo> good morning 2011-06-15 12:57:32+0000 tempuramerino (tempuramerino) is now online 2011-06-15 13:01:01+0000 <antoviaque> hi romulo! 2011-06-15 13:35:43+0000 blanchard (blanchard) is now online 2011-06-15 14:01:19+0000 Laurent__ (Laurent__) is now online 2011-06-15 14:01:21+0000 <Laurent__> H all 2011-06-15 14:01:36+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: hello Deborah 2011-06-15 14:01:59+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: a quick coming on the chat 2011-06-15 14:02:12+0000 <antoviaque> hi Laurent__ : ) 2011-06-15 14:02:16+0000 <antoviaque> how are you? 2011-06-15 14:02:43+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: i can be present this friday afternoon ou this sunday morning 2011-06-15 14:02:50+0000 <Laurent__> antoviaque: hi xavier 2011-06-15 14:03:07+0000 <Laurent__> antoviaque: very busy ;/ 2011-06-15 14:03:20+0000 <Laurent__> antoviaque: and u ? 2011-06-15 14:03:36+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz is arriving in 5 minutes, she's finishing cooking her lunch ;p 2011-06-15 14:03:42+0000 <Laurent__> héhé 2011-06-15 14:04:00+0000 <Laurent__> antoviaque: i'll wait her bip so ;) 2011-06-15 14:04:07+0000 <antoviaque> Laurent__: hehe, ok ;p 2011-06-15 14:05:23+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'm here! Laurent__ 2011-06-15 14:06:31+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: Hi ;) 2011-06-15 14:06:37+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ça va? :) 2011-06-15 14:07:03+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: fine and u ? 2011-06-15 14:07:10+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: busy too ? 2011-06-15 14:07:29+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'm working for FarSides today :) 2011-06-15 14:07:37+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and I'm eating scrumbled eggs ahhaha 2011-06-15 14:07:47+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: ohoh 2011-06-15 14:08:15+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: so when can we work toghether ? 2011-06-15 14:08:20+0000 <tartarugafeliz> now? 2011-06-15 14:08:23+0000 <tartarugafeliz> it would be good now 2011-06-15 14:08:26+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: haf day 2011-06-15 14:08:37+0000 <tartarugafeliz> we can at least start 2011-06-15 14:08:45+0000 <tartarugafeliz> can you start now? 2011-06-15 14:08:52+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: sorry, just possible to find some day 2011-06-15 14:09:13+0000 <tartarugafeliz> what do you mean? 2011-06-15 14:09:15+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: i'll be free friday ans sunday 2011-06-15 14:09:28+0000 <tartarugafeliz> but I thought we would be able to work today... 2011-06-15 14:09:39+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I was planning to talk to you, that's what we agreed on, no? :) 2011-06-15 14:09:46+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: oh mistaken 2011-06-15 14:10:14+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: this quick chat is just to find a common day for us :) 2011-06-15 14:10:36+0000 <tartarugafeliz> that's weird 2011-06-15 14:10:41+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I thought we agreed on working today 2011-06-15 14:10:45+0000 <tartarugafeliz> (here we go again) 2011-06-15 14:10:47+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahahahahaha 2011-06-15 14:10:48+0000 <Laurent__> antoviaque: soory for this mistaken... my english 2011-06-15 14:11:09+0000 <Laurent__> antoviaque: my mail isn't not clear so 2011-06-15 14:11:37+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: so when is your next day for cardstorieis ? 2011-06-15 14:11:44+0000 <tartarugafeliz> its sunday, but 2011-06-15 14:11:50+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I really want to solve this with you 2011-06-15 14:11:53+0000 <tartarugafeliz> so, any day you want 2011-06-15 14:11:57+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'll be here to talk about it 2011-06-15 14:12:12+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: sunday is possible for me 2011-06-15 14:12:25+0000 <tartarugafeliz> before that is not possible? 2011-06-15 14:12:35+0000 <tartarugafeliz> friday 2011-06-15 14:12:39+0000 <tartarugafeliz> vendredi!! :D 2011-06-15 14:12:40+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: friday afternoon 2011-06-15 14:12:46+0000 <tartarugafeliz> deal! 2011-06-15 14:12:52+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: yes vendredi aprés midi 2011-06-15 14:12:53+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'll be here. afternoon, 2pm? 2011-06-15 14:12:58+0000 <tartarugafeliz> d'accord! 2011-06-15 14:13:08+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: fine :) 2011-06-15 14:13:18+0000 <blanchard> hurray :D 2011-06-15 14:13:41+0000 <antoviaque> youpiiiiiiiiiii :D 2011-06-15 14:13:44+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: but if u have questions, u can mail me before, i can prepare something 2011-06-15 14:13:47+0000 <tartarugafeliz> meanwhile, I'm trying to figure out a way to make the game look more like a board game 2011-06-15 14:14:15+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: a board game ? like poker's table ? 2011-06-15 14:14:18+0000 <tartarugafeliz> we need to discuss Laurent__ because I have some ideas, but I don't know if they're applicable 2011-06-15 14:14:32+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeap. I was thinking that this will probably help people to understand the concept 2011-06-15 14:14:36+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: Laurent__: did you look at http://farsides.com/blog/members/blanchard/activity/842/ ? 2011-06-15 14:14:41+0000 <Laurent__> blanchard: salut David 2011-06-15 14:14:52+0000 <blanchard> hello Laurent__ :) 2011-06-15 14:18:32+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: ok, i see, i'm sure that the board game aspect solve all the problem, the most important is to point active zone during the workflow to help player 2011-06-15 14:19:22+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: but it's useful to have a board game aspect to see the others players 2011-06-15 14:20:46+0000 <tartarugafeliz> Yes, I read what blanchard wrote and it was useful to organize the ideas! :) 2011-06-15 14:21:00+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: during the playtest, i must have search inside all the visual element , what is active or not 2011-06-15 14:21:02+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and to make a decision, because we really need to move forward if we're taking this step 2011-06-15 14:21:22+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'm thinking about trying to make a mockup of the table 2011-06-15 14:21:43+0000 <tartarugafeliz> just for us to understand how could it work 2011-06-15 14:21:48+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: ok 2011-06-15 14:21:52+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: ok - yup, good step imho 2011-06-15 14:21:54+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'll do that today 2011-06-15 14:22:06+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: good 2011-06-15 14:22:16+0000 <antoviaque> will be useful to get dachary's opinion on your mockups too, since it could be tricky on the dev side 2011-06-15 14:22:22+0000 <tartarugafeliz> its true 2011-06-15 14:22:23+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: so we'll discuss about it friday :) 2011-06-15 14:22:27+0000 <tartarugafeliz> blanchard: are you there? 2011-06-15 14:22:37+0000 <blanchard> indeed i am 2011-06-15 14:22:39+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes, by friday I'll have the mockups so we can discuss further 2011-06-15 14:23:19+0000 * antoviaque makes #94 available so that you can take on this task tartarugafeliz 2011-06-15 14:23:27+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: and dachary too ? important to see the technics possibility 2011-06-15 14:23:29+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok 2011-06-15 14:23:41+0000 <tartarugafeliz> dachary: are you there too? :D 2011-06-15 14:23:51+0000 <dachary> I'll be able to comment later. I'm almost done. Give me one hour please. 2011-06-15 14:23:57+0000 <tartarugafeliz> does everyone agrees with this? Permission to proceed! 2011-06-15 14:24:04+0000 <dachary> ahahah 2011-06-15 14:24:07+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :D 2011-06-15 14:24:11+0000 <blanchard> :) 2011-06-15 14:24:17+0000 * tartarugafeliz is watching too much star trek 2011-06-15 14:24:19+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahahaah 2011-06-15 14:24:30+0000 <Laurent__> blanchard: ok, so i'll go and come back at 18H30 for my formation, david ? 2011-06-15 14:24:36+0000 <blanchard> yep Laurent__ 2011-06-15 14:24:37+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok! 2011-06-15 14:25:21+0000 <antoviaque> http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/94 updated 2011-06-15 14:25:35+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: how much time do you estimate for this (just the mockups) 2011-06-15 14:25:37+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: cool, finally we'll arrive to have a meeting :) so, friday ( vendredi ) 2pm 2011-06-15 14:25:53+0000 <tartarugafeliz> Laurent__: you have no idea how happy I am. hahaah :D See you! 2011-06-15 14:26:30+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: cool to make u happy ;P 2011-06-15 14:26:54+0000 <Laurent__> see u later ( 18H30 for David ) bye bye 2011-06-15 14:27:08+0000 <blanchard> tartarugafeliz: mockup is not the final art, it's display of the various elements and workflow right ? :p 2011-06-15 14:27:14+0000 <blanchard> bye Laurent__ 2011-06-15 14:27:16+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes! 2011-06-15 14:27:19+0000 <Laurent__> ant juste to know how many times to go parc monceau to menimontant ? 2011-06-15 14:27:19+0000 <eve> Laurent__: Excuse me? 2011-06-15 14:27:19+0000 <antoviaque> see you Laurent__, and thanks! : ) 2011-06-15 14:27:25+0000 <tartarugafeliz> bye Laurent__ 2011-06-15 14:27:36+0000 <blanchard> why is eve_ talking ? 2011-06-15 14:27:43+0000 <Laurent__> antoviaque: juste to know how many times to go parc monceau to menimontant ? 2011-06-15 14:27:46+0000 <antoviaque> she like Laurent__ : ) 2011-06-15 14:27:47+0000 <tartarugafeliz> because nobody pays attention to her 2011-06-15 14:27:54+0000 <blanchard> :) 2011-06-15 14:27:54+0000 <tartarugafeliz> HAHHAHA 2011-06-15 14:27:55+0000 <antoviaque> ouuuu ouuuuuuuuu 2011-06-15 14:28:11+0000 <Laurent__> eve_: tout un programme avec un nom pareil ;) 2011-06-15 14:28:11+0000 <eve> Laurent__: *blink* 2011-06-15 14:28:13+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'll need around 3 hours to complete the mockup task 2011-06-15 14:28:14+0000 <blanchard> Laurent__: I'd say like 30-40 mn (?) 2011-06-15 14:29:02+0000 <Laurent__> blanchard: ah so too long to go and back tomorrow.... just one hour to comme 2011-06-15 14:29:03+0000 <antoviaque> Laurent__: yep, that's a good estimate (30-40min) 2011-06-15 14:29:17+0000 <blanchard> Laurent__: do you have examples of game storyboards for tartarugafeliz ? 2011-06-15 14:29:34+0000 <blanchard> i mean for the mockups. Would it be useful for you tartarugafeliz ? 2011-06-15 14:29:42+0000 <Laurent__> blanchard: game storyboards ? 2011-06-15 14:30:12+0000 <blanchard> yes like the ones you did for the prince, quick mockups that show the flow 2011-06-15 14:30:29+0000 <blanchard> to show tartarugafeliz the kind of finition that is needed at this step 2011-06-15 14:30:29+0000 <Laurent__> antoviaque: so unhappily can't come to menilmontant tomorrow :/ 2011-06-15 14:30:36+0000 <antoviaque> Laurent__: ok for tomorrow (sniff sniff!) 2011-06-15 14:31:00+0000 <antoviaque> Would be cool to find an occasion to do that - when do you think you could step by? 2011-06-15 14:31:11+0000 <tartarugafeliz> storyboards....? 2011-06-15 14:31:17+0000 <tartarugafeliz> but but but 2011-06-15 14:31:21+0000 <antoviaque> (I would offer to move, but would be good if it could be in front of a computer) 2011-06-15 14:31:27+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I thought it was something simple that you guys needed 2011-06-15 14:31:32+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: here you go, you've put a mess ahahahahah 2011-06-15 14:31:36+0000 <blanchard> hahaha 2011-06-15 14:31:38+0000 <blanchard> sorry 2011-06-15 14:31:39+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahaha 2011-06-15 14:31:40+0000 <Laurent__> blanchard: oh, i'm not sure that can be usefull : http://cluzel21prince.carbonmade.com/ 2011-06-15 14:31:42+0000 <antoviaque> :p 2011-06-15 14:31:43+0000 <blanchard> yes very simple tartarugafeliz 2011-06-15 14:32:06+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: just to recreation ;P 2011-06-15 14:32:55+0000 <Laurent__> blanchard: no usefull i think, too far than our actual objectives :) 2011-06-15 14:33:28+0000 <blanchard> correct Laurent__ I just wanted to show the idea of http://cluzel21prince.carbonmade.com/projects/2685968#18 2011-06-15 14:33:35+0000 <blanchard> but maybe it's confusing 2011-06-15 14:34:29+0000 <Laurent__> blanchard: i understood ;) 2011-06-15 14:35:06+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: ok for the 3 hours : ) 2011-06-15 14:35:12+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'm going to make the mockup with a step by step 2011-06-15 14:35:13+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: just roughs :) don't lose time with final rendering 2011-06-15 14:35:14+0000 <tartarugafeliz> is it ok? 2011-06-15 14:35:15+0000 <antoviaque> put them on the task so that you're paid for it ;p 2011-06-15 14:35:25+0000 <tartarugafeliz> thank you! 2011-06-15 14:35:34+0000 <tartarugafeliz> can I start? 2011-06-15 14:35:34+0000 <blanchard> thank you tartarugafeliz ! 2011-06-15 14:35:44+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: yes ahahahaha 2011-06-15 14:35:47+0000 <Laurent__> blanchard: that's righit ? 2011-06-15 14:35:49+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok, I'm busy from now on 2011-06-15 14:35:51+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahaahah :D 2011-06-15 14:35:59+0000 <blanchard> yep Laurent__ 2011-06-15 14:36:36+0000 <Laurent__> blanchard: ok well, not easy for me to understand at first time ;P 2011-06-15 14:36:49+0000 <Laurent__> i must go 2011-06-15 14:36:59+0000 <blanchard> it's ok, my fault, i confused everyone :) 2011-06-15 14:37:07+0000 <blanchard> Laurent__: talk to you later 2011-06-15 14:37:09+0000 <Laurent__> bye bye all ( bling blinked eve ;P ) 2011-06-15 14:37:23+0000 <Laurent__> blanchard: ok in two hours 2011-06-15 14:37:26+0000 <Laurent__> bye 2011-06-15 14:37:30+0000 <antoviaque> see you : ) 2011-06-15 14:39:21+0000 <arbrandes> And now for something completely different... :) A very important announcement for the Big Blue Button folks: http://www.freeswitch.org/node/329. This means that they're going to be able to dump Red5 and have Flash talk directly to the soft switch. Conf calls are going to be much better! :) 2011-06-15 14:57:22+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: ahhh cool :D 2011-06-15 14:57:56+0000 <antoviaque> still a long way until we get a truly free solution (that works well ;p) 2011-06-15 14:58:03+0000 <antoviaque> but good to know, thx : ) 2011-06-15 15:53:13+0000 <romulo> dachary, fixed and pushed to repository the changes for #65 2011-06-15 15:54:52+0000 <dachary> ok 2011-06-15 15:55:31+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I'm finished with today's work. What did you want to talk about ? 2011-06-15 15:56:12+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: about the board interface for CS 2011-06-15 15:56:23+0000 <antoviaque> cf above in the log 2011-06-15 15:56:35+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, can you recommend me some ticket? 2011-06-15 15:56:48+0000 <antoviaque> Deborah is now working on mockups to see how this would work 2011-06-15 15:57:08+0000 <antoviaque> and to see how we could try out something minimal from a design & dev point of view, to validate it 2011-06-15 15:57:23+0000 <romulo> brbs 2011-06-15 15:57:32+0000 <dachary> romulo: I only see a two line patch 2011-06-15 15:57:34+0000 <antoviaque> romulo: sure, let me see 2011-06-15 15:57:44+0000 <dachary> 98def5a938e40c1096822c12f8bb58538fdf9768 2011-06-15 15:57:45+0000 <romulo> dachary, and wasnt that needed? 2011-06-15 15:58:27+0000 <romulo> dachary, i mean, i forgot to replace the 'owner@foo' variable and also checking the id as int. But it didnt changed the code behavior 2011-06-15 15:58:30+0000 <antoviaque> so what I was saying earlier wwas that it would be good that you participate to the review of the mockups Deborah is working on, so that we can see both the design and development side constraints 2011-06-15 15:58:31+0000 <dachary> romulo: that's part of it yes. I thought you were implying it's ready for review. 2011-06-15 15:58:55+0000 <romulo> dachary, and it isnt? 2011-06-15 15:58:59+0000 <romulo> (ready for review) 2011-06-15 15:59:14+0000 <antoviaque> (I let you solve this before looking at new tasks for you romulo) 2011-06-15 15:59:14+0000 <dachary> romulo: no it is not 2011-06-15 16:00:21+0000 <romulo> ah i just saw your msg at the ticket 2011-06-15 16:00:27+0000 <romulo> sorry :( 2011-06-15 16:00:45+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: you need me to read the backlog ? 2011-06-15 16:00:51+0000 <romulo> be back later, food time 2011-06-15 16:01:08+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, i asked for a recommendation so i can start looking for it (understanding it) 2011-06-15 16:01:12+0000 <romulo> but food now 2011-06-15 16:01:21+0000 <antoviaque> romulo: ah, yep then, I'll have a look : ) 2011-06-15 16:01:28+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: let me see 2011-06-15 16:02:09+0000 <dachary> there is too much noise and I'm not in context. Is there anything specific you want me to comment on ? 2011-06-15 16:02:11+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: nope, with what I've said you've most of it 2011-06-15 16:02:28+0000 <antoviaque> basically deborah works on a first set of very drafty mockups (just to brainstorm) 2011-06-15 16:02:36+0000 <antoviaque> on Friday she will discuss it with Laurent 2011-06-15 16:03:11+0000 <antoviaque> and I thought it would be good if you could have a look at them too, so that we can see what makes sense to try out as first steps 2011-06-15 16:03:27+0000 <antoviaque> (trying to match what you asked last time we discussed this) 2011-06-15 16:03:28+0000 <dachary> I'd be happy to comment on the mockups sure :-) 2011-06-15 16:03:50+0000 <antoviaque> ok, cool! :D 2011-06-15 16:05:46+0000 <antoviaque> romulo: maybe http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/91 ? 2011-06-15 16:06:00+0000 <antoviaque> would be small, after those big tasks you took : ) 2011-06-15 17:00:19+0000 <dachary> http://2011.rmll.info/Regards-de-developpeur-sur-les-licences-libres?lang=fr 2011-06-15 17:22:16+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: i just spent some time Laurent showing him the various tools, i think it was useful. I was thinking of taking the opportunity to make a 'welcome doc' out of it but maybe you already have something equivalent ? 2011-06-15 17:22:35+0000 <blanchard> i wouldn't want to work it there's already something ;) 2011-06-15 17:22:51+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: nope, nothing like that 2011-06-15 17:22:59+0000 <blanchard> ok 2011-06-15 17:23:00+0000 <antoviaque> actually it depends what you have in mind exactly 2011-06-15 17:23:40+0000 <blanchard> just the chat + buddypresss + tickets, how to use these together, and the workflow for the tickets 2011-06-15 17:23:46+0000 <antoviaque> maybe you can take the presentation I use during recruitments, and create a more in-depth training based on that? you have some elements there already 2011-06-15 17:23:55+0000 <blanchard> right 2011-06-15 17:25:02+0000 <blanchard> it's usually familiar for developers who are used to these tools but for Laurent (and probably other people in the future) there was a gap :) 2011-06-15 17:25:13+0000 <antoviaque> yup, definitely 2011-06-15 18:35:11+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-06-15 18:40:21+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: are you around ? 2011-06-15 18:40:29+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: yep 2011-06-15 18:40:46+0000 <antoviaque> I'm at april for a meeting+some work, but I'm here too : ) 2011-06-15 18:41:14+0000 <blanchard> i've drafted a 10 lines pitch that i need to send to potential investors, I'd like your opinion pliz 2011-06-15 18:41:21+0000 <antoviaque> sure 2011-06-15 18:41:25+0000 <blanchard> and anyone else's :) 2011-06-15 18:41:34+0000 * blanchard creating the wiki page 2011-06-15 18:43:37+0000 <blanchard> http://farsides.com/wiki/Corporate_10_lines_pitch 2011-06-15 18:44:14+0000 <blanchard> i'm not really happy with the last sentence (though i'd like to keep the idea) 2011-06-15 18:44:35+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: ^ 2011-06-15 18:44:50+0000 <blanchard> bbl in a couple of hours or so 2011-06-15 18:46:00+0000 <dachary> hum ? 2011-06-15 18:46:06+0000 <dachary> sure 2011-06-15 18:46:10+0000 <dachary> blanchard: gogogogo 2011-06-15 18:46:41+0000 <dachary> s/open source/free software/ 2011-06-15 18:47:37+0000 <dachary> I would not emphasize free software that much. It's a nice addition to the pitch but should be a small part. 2011-06-15 18:48:33+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: ok, I'll read/amend as soon as I get free minutes : ) 2011-06-15 18:48:46+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: ahah, I would have been surprised ;p 2011-06-15 18:49:40+0000 <antoviaque> for investors talking about open source can make it easier for them to identify what we're taling about - it's already a strange concept for them 2011-06-15 18:49:42+0000 <dachary> You might want to add a paragraph about how you will recruit your user base. And a few key numbers maybe. 2011-06-15 18:50:03+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: that's precisely why I think it should barely be mentionned. 2011-06-15 18:50:38+0000 <dachary> It *must* be there otherwise they will be disapointed because their reflex will be to think : "license selling" 2011-06-15 18:50:41+0000 <antoviaque> yep - depends on who david is going to talk to at the end 2011-06-15 18:50:50+0000 <dachary> but it should be mentionned only to this extent 2011-06-15 19:33:11+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-06-15 19:33:17+0000 <tartarugafeliz> cardstories is out of air? 2011-06-15 19:33:23+0000 <tartarugafeliz> is not online? 2011-06-15 19:33:27+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I can't use it 2011-06-15 19:34:46+0000 <tartarugafeliz> dachary: the game is not online? 2011-06-15 19:34:58+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'm trying to do a playtest here with some friends 2011-06-15 19:44:42+0000 <dachary> http://cardstori.es/ 2011-06-15 19:44:44+0000 <dachary> tartarugafeliz: 2011-06-15 19:44:59+0000 <dachary> as far as I can tell it works 2011-06-15 20:20:14+0000 <tartarugafeliz> thanks! we tested 2011-06-15 20:20:22+0000 <tartarugafeliz> you're testing with one of my friends now hahaha 2011-06-15 20:31:19+0000 planetsmashers (planetsmashers) is now online 2011-06-15 20:33:18+0000 <planetsmashers> hello 2011-06-15 20:34:37+0000 <planetsmashers> I am just checking out the chat, in preparation for my interview tomorrow. I'll see you tomorrow :) 2011-06-15 20:35:05+0000 planetsmashers (planetsmashers) is now offline 2011-06-15 21:08:49+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: are you in a hurry for http://farsides.com/index.php?title=Corporate_10_lines_pitch ? 2011-06-15 21:10:43+0000 <antoviaque> If you have time I would rather discuss it with you to understand better the context - I tried to improve it, but I'm not sure about the approach 2011-06-15 21:12:59+0000 <antoviaque> bbl 2011-06-15 21:22:01+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-06-15 21:43:59+0000 <dachary> blanchard: if you want to book a cheap accomodation for RMLL now is the time 2011-06-15 21:44:14+0000 <dachary> pick up Gallia at https://reservation.rmll.info/ 2011-06-15 21:44:24+0000 <dachary> and use paypal 2011-06-15 21:44:32+0000 <dachary> credit card still have issues 2011-06-15 21:44:45+0000 <dachary> it has not yet been announced, there are rooms left 2011-06-15 21:45:00+0000 <dachary> I bet they will all be gone 24h after the opening 2011-06-15 21:45:35+0000 <dachary> because they are 1) cheap, 2) walking distance from the conference, 3) 500 meters from the cathedral 2011-06-15 21:57:17+0000 <blanchard> back 2011-06-15 22:03:15+0000 <blanchard> dachary: thanks for the feedback on the investors' short pitch - it's useful 2011-06-15 22:03:55+0000 <blanchard> and for the rmll :)
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