Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2011-06-16.
2011-06-16 03:12:54+0000 blanchard (blanchard) is now online 2011-06-16 05:01:41+0000 blanchard (blanchard) is now online 2011-06-16 06:22:06+0000 blanchard (blanchard) is now online 2011-06-16 06:24:03+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-06-16 06:42:42+0000 blanchard (blanchard) is now offline 2011-06-16 06:56:54+0000 chr15m (chr15m) is now online 2011-06-16 06:57:00+0000 <chr15m> salut! 2011-06-16 06:57:06+0000 <antoviaque> hi chr15m : ) 2011-06-16 06:57:11+0000 <antoviaque> how are you? 2011-06-16 06:57:16+0000 <chr15m> very well, how are you? 2011-06-16 06:57:24+0000 <antoviaque> good too : ) 2011-06-16 06:57:42+0000 <antoviaque> finishing my morning coffee while your presentation is finishing uploading ;p 2011-06-16 06:57:50+0000 <chr15m> ok great! 2011-06-16 06:57:56+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-06-16 06:58:00+0000 <chr15m> what service are you using? 2011-06-16 06:58:15+0000 <antoviaque> for the conference call? bigbluebutton 2011-06-16 06:58:39+0000 <antoviaque> I'll give you the url - it's all webbased : ) 2011-06-16 06:58:44+0000 <chr15m> ok cool, i don't know it. 2011-06-16 06:59:09+0000 <antoviaque> it's one of the (very) few FS that actually work (a bit : ) ) 2011-06-16 06:59:26+0000 <antoviaque> for audio conferencing I mean 2011-06-16 06:59:33+0000 <chr15m> heh cool :) 2011-06-16 06:59:40+0000 <antoviaque> you know any good ones? 2011-06-16 06:59:56+0000 <chr15m> not really, i don't use that kind of thing much. 2011-06-16 07:00:12+0000 <chr15m> when i worked for RjDj and I came back to Australia we used Skype. 2011-06-16 07:00:26+0000 <antoviaque> yup, it's hard to find at all, and sometimes we do have to revert to skype 2011-06-16 07:01:01+0000 <antoviaque> ok 2011-06-16 07:01:02+0000 <chr15m> cool well we can give it a try :) 2011-06-16 07:01:08+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-06-16 07:01:18+0000 <antoviaque> the presentation has finished uploading, let me give you the url 2011-06-16 07:01:24+0000 <antoviaque> http://demo.bigbluebutton.org/bigbluebutton/demo/create.jsp?action=invite&meetingID=antoviaque%27s+meeting 2011-06-16 07:13:33+0000 <chr15m> i am back :) 2011-06-16 07:13:37+0000 <antoviaque> ok : ) 2011-06-16 07:39:33+0000 blanchard (blanchard) is now online 2011-06-16 07:53:43+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-06-16 08:01:45+0000 <dachary> chr15m: antoviaque hi 2011-06-16 08:03:23+0000 <dachary> chr15m: shouldn't it be chr14k ;-) 2011-06-16 08:24:02+0000 <chr15m> hello! 2011-06-16 08:24:04+0000 <chr15m> heheh :) 2011-06-16 08:32:55+0000 <blanchard> hello chr15m, nice to meet you :) 2011-06-16 08:34:46+0000 <antoviaque> re : ) 2011-06-16 08:35:22+0000 <chr15m> nice to meet you :) 2011-06-16 08:35:52+0000 <antoviaque> so, you have read already the names in the presentation : ) 2011-06-16 08:35:59+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard = david, cofounder 2011-06-16 08:36:11+0000 <antoviaque> dachary = loic, senior dev 2011-06-16 08:36:20+0000 <blanchard> chr15m: I heard that you are in a hurry, so just ping me anytime when you're back so that we can discuss the money part :) 2011-06-16 08:36:26+0000 <chr15m> no problem 2011-06-16 08:36:27+0000 <antoviaque> and guys, this is Chris, one of the candidates for the dev position : ) 2011-06-16 08:36:41+0000 <antoviaque> and yup I'll let you run : ) 2011-06-16 08:36:50+0000 <dachary> hey 2011-06-16 08:37:06+0000 <chr15m> i will break for dinner in a minute and looking after the baby (my wife's best friend gave birth today so she is going to the hospital to visit for an hour at this time too) :) 2011-06-16 08:37:17+0000 <chr15m> but i will probably be back in 2hrs and we can continue 2011-06-16 08:37:22+0000 <antoviaque> ok then : ) 2011-06-16 08:37:30+0000 <dachary> ttyl 2011-06-16 08:37:32+0000 <antoviaque> have a good diner (and baby time ;p) 2011-06-16 08:38:03+0000 <blanchard> i'll probably be at afk in 2 hours but we can definitely talk the next time 2011-06-16 08:38:06+0000 <chr15m> before i go i wanted to leave you with a link to something i have been working on for a while - javascript game engine: http://mccormick.cx/projects/jsGameSoup 2011-06-16 08:38:19+0000 <chr15m> blanchard: ok no problem we will work it out 2011-06-16 08:38:53+0000 <chr15m> ok, i'll be back later, thanks! 2011-06-16 08:39:00+0000 chr15m (chr15m) is now offline 2011-06-16 08:48:22+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: https://reservation.rmll.info/account/login/ 2011-06-16 08:48:28+0000 <antoviaque> I've reserved at Gallia 2011-06-16 08:48:36+0000 <antoviaque> => Catalog 2011-06-16 09:03:52+0000 <blanchard> dachary: do you want your hosting&food expenses at rmll to be assumed by Farsides (a trip is part of your recurring contractor package, sir :)) 2011-06-16 09:04:09+0000 <blanchard> and for the train antoviaque dachary ? 2011-06-16 09:04:20+0000 <blanchard> satruday morning to thursday morning ? 2011-06-16 09:04:35+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: train or car at the end? 2011-06-16 09:04:49+0000 <blanchard> if you have a car, i'd love to use a car :) 2011-06-16 09:07:20+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: great ! 2011-06-16 09:07:35+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-06-16 09:07:45+0000 <dachary> I will be there 11,12,13,14 (three nights) 2011-06-16 09:07:57+0000 <dachary> I've not booked my train yet 2011-06-16 09:09:41+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: would you consider coming on 9&10 too for the public days and see the playtests those days, if it's covered by Farsides? 2011-06-16 09:51:32+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: btw for the public days at RMLL, the installation is on Saturday morning, for an opening to the public on the afternoon 2011-06-16 09:51:46+0000 <antoviaque> so if we go there better arrive early to not rush like crazy 2011-06-16 10:07:53+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-06-16 10:26:38+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-06-16 10:26:44+0000 <dachary> :-) 2011-06-16 10:27:48+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-06-16 10:28:27+0000 antoviaque_ (antoviaque_) is now online 2011-06-16 10:28:40+0000 <antoviaque_> grmml, pidgin is giving me troubles : ) 2011-06-16 10:28:49+0000 <antoviaque_> dachary: re : ) thanks for warning me! 2011-06-16 10:29:12+0000 <dachary> :-) 2011-06-16 10:32:08+0000 tempuramerino (tempuramerino) is now online 2011-06-16 10:44:44+0000 <dachary> antoviaque could you remind me the url of your slideshow ? 2011-06-16 10:44:51+0000 <dachary> training 2011-06-16 10:45:03+0000 <dachary> https://gitorious.org/farsides/farsides/blobs/raw/master/hr/training/farsides.odp 2011-06-16 10:47:26+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-06-16 10:49:42+0000 <antoviaque_> yup : ) 2011-06-16 10:52:09+0000 <antoviaque> test 2011-06-16 10:52:19+0000 <antoviaque> ah cool, got back my pidgin :D 2011-06-16 11:20:11+0000 chr15m (chr15m) is now online 2011-06-16 11:20:23+0000 <chr15m> hello 2011-06-16 11:45:36+0000 <dachary> chr15m: hi 2011-06-16 11:56:17+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2011-06-16 12:34:12+0000 <antoviaque> chr15m: re : ) 2011-06-16 12:34:15+0000 <antoviaque> hi arbrandes! 2011-06-16 12:35:36+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: just checking - you're taking care of http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/148 but not http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/149 right? 2011-06-16 12:35:46+0000 <antoviaque> (the facebook auth) 2011-06-16 12:36:27+0000 <antoviaque> I'd like to give #149 to chr15m as a test task - there is a common area, but the FB auth part is also a good test task 2011-06-16 12:36:44+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: what do you think? 2011-06-16 12:53:21+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: what do you think at the end for cardstories.com|org ? 2011-06-16 12:54:31+0000 <antoviaque> I've just had a quick look at google, and cardstori.es son't appear at all on the first page when we type "card stories" (likely because of the weird domain name, same issue as hackit.cx ;p) 2011-06-16 12:55:10+0000 <antoviaque> and it would be good to have a stable URL before we go advertise the game at the RMLL 2011-06-16 13:16:24+0000 romulo (romulo) is now online 2011-06-16 13:16:32+0000 <antoviaque> hi romulo 2011-06-16 13:17:20+0000 <romulo> hi there 2011-06-16 13:17:22+0000 <romulo> how are you? 2011-06-16 13:17:40+0000 <antoviaque> very well! 2011-06-16 13:17:46+0000 <antoviaque> what about you? 2011-06-16 13:19:57+0000 <romulo> very well too 2011-06-16 13:20:20+0000 <romulo> although tired. Im committing #65 changes tonight and hopefully will be done with it. Is that any problem for you? 2011-06-16 13:20:35+0000 <romulo> Finals incoming, semester ending, too fast =/ 2011-06-16 13:21:37+0000 <antoviaque> nope, no worries - but it has been a long time since you last took on a task, would be good to make sure you can move on tomorrow 2011-06-16 13:21:44+0000 <antoviaque> btw I don't remember if you answered me yesterday about the task I suggested - or do you have your eyes on another one? 2011-06-16 13:22:01+0000 <romulo> yeah, you pointed out 91 2011-06-16 13:22:13+0000 <antoviaque> seems good? 2011-06-16 13:22:25+0000 <romulo> im not sure yeah, will be able to tell you exactly later today or tomorrow 2011-06-16 13:22:36+0000 <romulo> i apologize for the slowdown, like i said, finals incoming 2011-06-16 13:23:00+0000 <antoviaque> ok, let me know 2011-06-16 13:23:21+0000 <romulo> i will =] 2011-06-16 13:23:25+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-06-16 13:24:18+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-06-16 13:25:01+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, hi there! Actually, I'm taking care of 150 2011-06-16 13:25:16+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: uh, let me check my mistakes : ) 2011-06-16 13:25:47+0000 <antoviaque> yup, sorry s/148/150/ : ) 2011-06-16 13:25:48+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, I didn't event know about 149, but yes, also 149 2011-06-16 13:26:12+0000 <antoviaque> have you already implemented that part? 2011-06-16 13:26:16+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, one kinda depends on the other 2011-06-16 13:26:18+0000 <antoviaque> (FB auth) 2011-06-16 13:26:20+0000 <antoviaque> yep 2011-06-16 13:26:27+0000 <antoviaque> but it's still a good chunk 2011-06-16 13:27:12+0000 <antoviaque> there is a common base, but the fb auth can be a challenge in itself, if I am to believe past experiences in the matter 2011-06-16 13:28:16+0000 <antoviaque> so there would be a part of work duplication, but for a test task it's not absurd 2011-06-16 13:28:30+0000 <arbrandes> I haven't produced any code yet; too little free time these last days. So feel free to juggle things around. I was planning to have something ready by the end of Sunday. 2011-06-16 13:29:12+0000 <antoviaque> ok then - no objections to focus on the "normal auth" then? 2011-06-16 13:29:21+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, none at all! 2011-06-16 13:29:27+0000 <antoviaque> ok, perfect : ) 2011-06-16 13:29:30+0000 <antoviaque> thanks! 2011-06-16 13:30:00+0000 <arbrandes> No problem! :) 2011-06-16 13:30:03+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-06-16 13:32:03+0000 <arbrandes> I do have a question, though: after understading the requirements, I'm now thinking Django is possibly too big of a cannon for this. Is Django a specific requirement (because of the built-in admin interface, for instance), or can I use something more minimalist like Flask? 2011-06-16 13:32:36+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: you're not the first one to mention flask, I've heard a lot about it lately : ) 2011-06-16 13:32:47+0000 <antoviaque> well, for just auth django could possibly be too big 2011-06-16 13:33:19+0000 <antoviaque> but there is also plans to use the CMS to handle things such as payment transactions/cart for monetization for example 2011-06-16 13:33:34+0000 <antoviaque> so it would likely not stop there 2011-06-16 13:33:45+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, ahh, ok, so now a framework starts to make more sense 2011-06-16 13:33:55+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-06-16 13:34:21+0000 <antoviaque> but if you want you can discuss it with dachary - on the matter I defer to him : ) 2011-06-16 13:34:56+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, what do you think? Django or Flask? Are you familiar with the differences? 2011-06-16 13:35:34+0000 <antoviaque> If I followed my gut feelings, after being burnt many times by frameworks, I would work with smaller elements (a template engine, dataobjects, etc) in a modular approach rather than the all-encompassing-but-that-never-does-quite-what-you-want frameworks ;p 2011-06-16 13:35:59+0000 <antoviaque> but I know better than trying to take those decisions ;p 2011-06-16 13:36:19+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, my gut feels the same as yours. :) 2011-06-16 13:37:02+0000 <antoviaque> ;p 2011-06-16 13:37:36+0000 <arbrandes> I like Django, but whenever I tried doing something it wasn't meant to do, it was hell. Especially because since it's so big, it is difficult to wrap your mind around it. 2011-06-16 13:37:37+0000 tempuramerino (tempuramerino) is now online 2011-06-16 13:37:53+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-06-16 13:45:27+0000 <chr15m> i do pretty much all my web development in Django now :) 2011-06-16 13:45:47+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: dachary probably didn't see the question - he'll probably be back soon : ) 2011-06-16 13:45:56+0000 <chr15m> i had the opposite experience: whenever i try to do something tricky i look in the docs and there is a good way to do it. ;) 2011-06-16 13:46:24+0000 <antoviaque> chr15m: I don't have much experience with django in particular, so I can't say : ) 2011-06-16 13:47:11+0000 <arbrandes> chr15m, yes, most of the time. That's why it's good. BUT... I have dark tales to tell, specially when using external libs. 2011-06-16 13:47:38+0000 <chr15m> Django definitely has bad corner cases 2011-06-16 13:48:17+0000 <chr15m> Just like every framework I guess. If you are trying to do something really cutting edge (like write a game server) Django could be not the best tool for that. 2011-06-16 13:48:20+0000 <arbrandes> It's basically the same old story with RoR and family. 2011-06-16 13:48:22+0000 <arbrandes> Yup 2011-06-16 13:48:35+0000 <antoviaque> maybe actually it could be a better way to split the test tasks between you - chr15m you could try out the django approach and arbrandes the flask one, it would allow to see which one creates the less friction 2011-06-16 13:48:53+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, as long as we're testing, that's actually a pretty good idea 2011-06-16 13:49:01+0000 <chr15m> cool 2011-06-16 13:49:52+0000 <antoviaque> yup - it would mean we would have to throw away one of the two implementations, but since it's on a very precise aspect it may be worth it 2011-06-16 13:50:05+0000 <antoviaque> (ie small) 2011-06-16 13:50:24+0000 <arbrandes> yes, that makes sense 2011-06-16 13:51:10+0000 <antoviaque> chosing the right approach when it comes to the CMS is difficult, it's a decision we have been pushing back for some time 2011-06-16 13:51:35+0000 <arbrandes> Is anybody doing Symphony, too? This could prove to be a very nice blog post. :) 2011-06-16 13:51:44+0000 <arbrandes> Symfony, I mean 2011-06-16 13:51:56+0000 <antoviaque> rogerio started on that path too : ) 2011-06-16 13:52:14+0000 <antoviaque> and I'm planning to give it as a test task too - very good idea the blog post : ) 2011-06-16 13:52:35+0000 <antoviaque> Would be a very interesting read 2011-06-16 13:52:45+0000 <arbrandes> I bet you'd get plenty of hits on that: "Symfony vs Django vs Flask" 2011-06-16 13:54:14+0000 <antoviaque> yup, but probably not a lot of people actually tried the three approaches - the links I've seen where slightly on the theorical level ;p 2011-06-16 13:54:26+0000 <antoviaque> s/where/were/ 2011-06-16 13:54:40+0000 <arbrandes> Yes, that's why such a blog post would be so valuable, hehehe 2011-06-16 13:54:46+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-06-16 13:55:03+0000 <arbrandes> I'm actually very curious to know the result 2011-06-16 13:55:21+0000 <antoviaque> chr15m: what do you think? would you be comfortable trying it out like this? 2011-06-16 13:55:33+0000 <chr15m> you mean trying a django implementation of the auth stuff? 2011-06-16 13:55:39+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-06-16 13:55:47+0000 <antoviaque> http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/150 2011-06-16 13:56:02+0000 <chr15m> reading the ticket... 2011-06-16 13:56:08+0000 <antoviaque> this would still have to be discussed with dachary of course 2011-06-16 13:56:26+0000 <arbrandes> Yes, definitely 2011-06-16 13:58:30+0000 <chr15m> so this includes the facebook auth implementation? 2011-06-16 13:59:18+0000 <antoviaque> good question - it would make the task bigger to have both of them 2011-06-16 13:59:27+0000 <chr15m> i am happy to try it by the way but i want to get a bit more detail 2011-06-16 13:59:38+0000 <antoviaque> sure 2011-06-16 13:59:40+0000 <chr15m> i guess once i look at what is already implemented i will have a better idea 2011-06-16 13:59:56+0000 <antoviaque> yep - you'll need to have the architecture in mind 2011-06-16 14:00:21+0000 <antoviaque> chr15m: you may want to have a look at http://farsides.com/wiki/Project_Tools 2011-06-16 14:00:43+0000 <antoviaque> the dev doc can help you to get an overview, or the code directly 2011-06-16 14:01:01+0000 <chr15m> i have done something that seems similar to what is described in the IRC snippet quoted there when integrating Django's auth with phpbb3 2011-06-16 14:01:40+0000 <chr15m> i had an auth plugin for phpbb3 that would request the auth info from a Django URL. so the users were stored in Django. 2011-06-16 14:02:17+0000 <chr15m> well it's actually 10pm here so i should probably go to sleep 2011-06-16 14:02:26+0000 <antoviaque> chr15m: ahah, yep :) 2011-06-16 14:02:31+0000 <chr15m> i wonder if it's possible for us to do a test of the game tomorrow at the same time? 2011-06-16 14:02:52+0000 <chr15m> i mean, 9am your time 2011-06-16 14:03:20+0000 <chr15m> or else i could do it up to 2 hrs later if that's better 2011-06-16 14:03:21+0000 <antoviaque> yup - may be a little bit early (you've seen, people start to arrive a bit later on), but I should be around 2011-06-16 14:03:36+0000 <antoviaque> yes, we may get more chances to have enough people to play :D 2011-06-16 14:03:36+0000 <chr15m> 5pm my time == 11am your time 2011-06-16 14:03:50+0000 <antoviaque> deal : ) 2011-06-16 14:04:51+0000 <chr15m> maybe i can email blanchard to arrange to discuss the business stuff earlier than that 2011-06-16 14:05:09+0000 <chr15m> cool :) 2011-06-16 14:07:38+0000 <chr15m> antoviaque: is it possible to send me his email address? or you can talk to him? 2011-06-16 14:07:50+0000 <chr15m> i should go now and sleep. baby rises early. ;) 2011-06-16 14:08:22+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-06-16 14:13:38+0000 <chr15m> later! 2011-06-16 14:13:43+0000 chr15m (chr15m) is now offline 2011-06-16 14:23:49+0000 <antoviaque> damn, back too late 2011-06-16 14:59:30+0000 <antoviaque> from RMML orga: "I can free 1, 2, or 3 x  40 minutes for conferences concerning video games. That would be on wednesday afternoon, the 13rd of july. " 2011-06-16 14:59:51+0000 <antoviaque> so if you have ideas for additional conferences, it looks like we can take over the whole track :D 2011-06-16 15:00:49+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: blanchard: wanna present something in addition to the roundtable? : ) 2011-06-16 15:02:13+0000 <antoviaque> I could present the production workflow too 2011-06-16 15:02:33+0000 <antoviaque> not sure if it will interest a lot of people, but it's a good excuse to talk about farsides hehe : ) 2011-06-16 15:02:45+0000 * antoviaque loves his workflow 2011-06-16 15:10:26+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/94 2011-06-16 15:11:30+0000 <antoviaque> good comments from dachary there, thanks! 2011-06-16 15:11:44+0000 <blanchard> some comments are on buddypress (you and Laurent), some on the ticket (Loic). antoviaque where is it supposed to be in your magic workflow :) 2011-06-16 15:11:54+0000 <blanchard> i want to comment too 2011-06-16 15:11:57+0000 <antoviaque> ahahah 2011-06-16 15:12:54+0000 <antoviaque> Since there is a discussion on this on the buddypress that goes beyond the scope of the ticket, it's worth discussing on the buddypress imho - but it can be at both places really, the trick being to include links to each other 2011-06-16 15:13:18+0000 <blanchard> i'll comment on the wiki. So that nobody will ever read me 2011-06-16 15:27:24+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahah 2011-06-16 15:37:41+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: re: carstories.com / org 2011-06-16 15:38:02+0000 <blanchard> I'm in favor of .org and .fr 2011-06-16 15:38:13+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-06-16 15:39:16+0000 <blanchard> for the .com at 2.5k$, I suggest to wait and re-discuss it in a month from now, we'll see how the game is doing (and the perspective for funding) 2011-06-16 15:39:21+0000 <blanchard> (17:38:02) blanchard: I'm in favor of .org and .fr 2011-06-16 15:40:45+0000 <antoviaque> ok then, I'll register them 2011-06-16 15:41:20+0000 * antoviaque likes to spend money, but $2500 for a domain name... bunch of &@#*@ 2011-06-16 15:46:27+0000 DavePark (DavePark) is now online 2011-06-16 15:46:44+0000 <DavePark> hello and good morning :) 2011-06-16 15:46:57+0000 <antoviaque> hi DavePark : ) 2011-06-16 15:47:08+0000 <DavePark> How are you today? 2011-06-16 15:47:15+0000 <antoviaque> Very well, and you? : ) 2011-06-16 15:47:42+0000 <DavePark> Alright, although my favourite team (Vancouver Canucks) lost the Stanley Cup last night... 2011-06-16 15:47:58+0000 <blanchard> hi DavePark 2011-06-16 15:48:00+0000 <antoviaque> ah damn, sorry for that :p 2011-06-16 15:48:08+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: 446116W 2011-06-16 15:48:10+0000 <DavePark> heh, thanks. Hi Blanchard 2011-06-16 15:49:03+0000 <antoviaque> DavePark: give me 10-15 minutes to upload the presentation and prepare the confcall room, and I'm yours : ) 2011-06-16 15:49:19+0000 <DavePark> sure thing, just let me know when. 2011-06-16 15:49:37+0000 <antoviaque> ok! 2011-06-16 16:00:43+0000 <antoviaque> ok, cardstories.org/fr registered (after 30 minutes of battle with the online verification of the bank, yeyyy) 2011-06-16 16:01:05+0000 <DavePark> :) 2011-06-16 16:01:28+0000 <antoviaque> DavePark: ok, the presentation finished uploading in the meantime : ) 2011-06-16 16:02:04+0000 <antoviaque> We'll use bigbluebutton for audio conferencing (if it works - otherwise we'll revert to the non-free skype :( ) 2011-06-16 16:02:15+0000 <antoviaque> to join => http://demo.bigbluebutton.org/bigbluebutton/demo/create.jsp?action=invite&meetingID=antoviaque%27s+meeting 2011-06-16 16:02:34+0000 tempuramerino (tempuramerino) is now online 2011-06-16 16:04:02+0000 <antoviaque> DavePark: ^ 2011-06-16 16:07:15+0000 <antoviaque> uhu 2011-06-16 16:12:28+0000 DavePark (DavePark) is now online 2011-06-16 16:12:35+0000 <antoviaque> re : ) 2011-06-16 16:12:50+0000 <DavePark> Sorry, I didn't know I was disconnected :( 2011-06-16 16:13:06+0000 <antoviaque> ahah, no worries, it happens sometimes yep : ) 2011-06-16 16:13:14+0000 <antoviaque> 06:01:29 PM) antoviaque: DavePark: ok, the presentation finished uploading in the meantime : ) 2011-06-16 16:13:15+0000 <antoviaque> (06:02:05 PM) antoviaque: We'll use bigbluebutton for audio conferencing (if it works - otherwise we'll revert to the non-free skype :( ) 2011-06-16 16:13:15+0000 <antoviaque> (06:02:16 PM) antoviaque: to join => http://demo.bigbluebutton.org/bigbluebutton/demo/create.jsp?action=invite&meetingID=antoviaque%27s+meeting 2011-06-16 17:21:50+0000 tempuramerino (tempuramerino) is now online 2011-06-16 17:44:44+0000 <blanchard> hi again DavePark I'm David :) 2011-06-16 17:44:44+0000 <antoviaque> DavePark: re : ) 2011-06-16 17:44:56+0000 <DavePark> hi 2011-06-16 17:44:58+0000 <blanchard> I hope you enjoyed the discussion with Xavier :) 2011-06-16 17:45:24+0000 <DavePark> I did, it was very informative. Probably one of the most extensive interview presentations 2011-06-16 17:45:37+0000 <blanchard> Unfortunately i need to run afk now but if that suits you we could discuss business/salary tomorrow ? 2011-06-16 17:45:43+0000 <antoviaque> DavePark: :D 2011-06-16 17:45:46+0000 <DavePark> that is fine with me 2011-06-16 17:45:50+0000 <blanchard> yes Xavier is a talkative person :p 2011-06-16 17:45:53+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahah 2011-06-16 17:45:55+0000 <DavePark> heh :) 2011-06-16 17:45:57+0000 <antoviaque> :p 2011-06-16 17:46:01+0000 <antoviaque> ok ok 2011-06-16 17:46:11+0000 <antoviaque> let's see if there is enough people around for a game : ) 2011-06-16 17:46:33+0000 <DavePark> sure. I had a chance to try it before, but without anyone else, so it should be fun. 2011-06-16 17:46:38+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: blanchard: dachary: romulo: tempuramerino: tempted by a game of Card Stories? : ) 2011-06-16 17:46:52+0000 <blanchard> always, antoviaque, always 2011-06-16 17:46:56+0000 <antoviaque> DavePark: ahah, yep - especially it must have been hard to figure out what to do : ) 2011-06-16 17:47:04+0000 <arbrandes> go, go, go! 2011-06-16 17:47:07+0000 <arbrandes> :) 2011-06-16 17:47:10+0000 <antoviaque> ok I create one : ) 2011-06-16 17:48:05+0000 <DavePark> okay, I've entered my email. What should I do at this point? 2011-06-16 17:48:08+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: blanchard: dachary: romulo: tempuramerino: http://cardstori.es/?game_id=241&; 2011-06-16 17:48:17+0000 <antoviaque> DavePark: follow the link : ) 2011-06-16 17:48:25+0000 <antoviaque> also it will most likely be confusing 2011-06-16 17:48:45+0000 <antoviaque> don't hesitate to ask questions, it will help to spot the things that aren't clear 2011-06-16 17:49:33+0000 <antoviaque> vote : ) 2011-06-16 17:49:51+0000 <blanchard> voted ! Need to go 2011-06-16 17:49:56+0000 <blanchard> bye everyone 2011-06-16 17:49:59+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: see you : ) 2011-06-16 17:50:00+0000 <blanchard> and i hope i'll win 2011-06-16 17:50:06+0000 <antoviaque> you never win ahahah 2011-06-16 17:50:25+0000 <blanchard> i think you're confusing me with Xavier 2011-06-16 17:50:39+0000 <antoviaque> grrr : ) 2011-06-16 17:50:56+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: you can vote : ) 2011-06-16 17:51:21+0000 <arbrandes> done 2011-06-16 17:51:28+0000 <antoviaque> tadaaaa 2011-06-16 17:51:33+0000 <antoviaque> ahahaha arbrandes, got you ;p 2011-06-16 17:51:46+0000 <arbrandes> lol, I suck 2011-06-16 17:51:49+0000 DavePark (DavePark) is now online 2011-06-16 17:52:17+0000 <antoviaque> well done DavePark : ) 2011-06-16 17:52:38+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: ahaha, don't worry, it can't be worse than blanchard :p 2011-06-16 17:52:42+0000 <DavePark> Thanks, beginner's luck ;) 2011-06-16 17:52:45+0000 <romulo> game over :P 2011-06-16 17:52:45+0000 <antoviaque> hehehe 2011-06-16 17:52:54+0000 <antoviaque> DavePark: Were you able to understand how it works? 2011-06-16 17:53:05+0000 <antoviaque> As I was mentioning it's really the part we need to improve 2011-06-16 17:53:11+0000 <antoviaque> so any comments will help! 2011-06-16 17:54:07+0000 <DavePark> I do, it seems clear. Although initially I wasn't sure what to expect (which you mentioned is in progress). 2011-06-16 17:54:33+0000 <antoviaque> ok : ) 2011-06-16 17:54:44+0000 <DavePark> I do have a question: I didn't have the opportunity to choose the winning card at the beginning. 2011-06-16 17:55:14+0000 <antoviaque> yep - there are two roles 2011-06-16 17:55:17+0000 <DavePark> I saw the word "headache", but I never saw the card with the snake. 2011-06-16 17:55:19+0000 <DavePark> ah okay 2011-06-16 17:55:28+0000 <antoviaque> author (the one who chose the word + the winning card) 2011-06-16 17:55:42+0000 <antoviaque> and the players (who chose a card according to the word and vote) 2011-06-16 17:55:58+0000 <antoviaque> actually, can I ask you to fill a quick survey that we use during playtests? this way we'll be able to integrate your comments in a structured way : ) 2011-06-16 17:56:03+0000 <dachary> back 2011-06-16 17:56:08+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: re! 2011-06-16 17:56:16+0000 <DavePark> sure thing, and if you don't mind can we try it again? 2011-06-16 17:56:27+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: this is Dave, one of the candidates 2011-06-16 17:56:49+0000 <dachary> hi DavePark, nice to meet you 2011-06-16 17:56:54+0000 <antoviaque> DavePark: this is dachary, the senior developer (The one who would review your code :D ) 2011-06-16 17:57:00+0000 <DavePark> hello dachary, nice to meet you too 2011-06-16 17:57:19+0000 <antoviaque> DavePark: sure! you want to create a game maybe? 2011-06-16 17:57:29+0000 <DavePark> okay 2011-06-16 17:58:04+0000 <antoviaque> ah and I didn't introduce arbrandes - this is adolfo, one of the other candidates for the dev position 2011-06-16 17:58:14+0000 <arbrandes> hey Dave 2011-06-16 17:58:15+0000 <antoviaque> sorry about that arbrandes : ) 2011-06-16 17:58:23+0000 <arbrandes> lol, no sweat 2011-06-16 17:58:26+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-06-16 17:58:56+0000 <antoviaque> DavePark: to create, you can go to http://cardstori.es/? and click "start new story" 2011-06-16 17:58:58+0000 <DavePark> arbrandes: hello :) 2011-06-16 17:59:41+0000 <DavePark> what should i type in for emails? 2011-06-16 17:59:57+0000 <antoviaque> ah you should be able to leave it empty 2011-06-16 18:00:17+0000 <antoviaque> and just copy & paste the url from the browser here 2011-06-16 18:00:35+0000 <antoviaque> (and click on "invite" to be able to see when people chose a card) 2011-06-16 18:00:51+0000 <antoviaque> (I know, not intuitive at all ;p) 2011-06-16 18:01:47+0000 <DavePark> okay, just moment 2011-06-16 18:01:50+0000 <antoviaque> sure 2011-06-16 18:01:59+0000 <antoviaque> if you're lost let me know : ) 2011-06-16 18:03:14+0000 <DavePark> it took me awhile to think about something to write. At the screen where I am suppose to type in emails, i left it blank and pressed "Invite Friends" and nothing happened... so I entered in my own email. 2011-06-16 18:03:32+0000 <antoviaque> ok, thanks, good to know : ) 2011-06-16 18:04:05+0000 <antoviaque> (I'll also add the log of this chat to our playtest entries, so that we can try to solve those) 2011-06-16 18:04:43+0000 <DavePark> ok. Well, I should have a game created, I am not sure if anyone else was invited to play, or if they can see the game I have created? 2011-06-16 18:05:04+0000 <DavePark> http://cardstori.es/?game_id=243&; 2011-06-16 18:05:15+0000 <DavePark> sorry, forgot the URL 2011-06-16 18:06:07+0000 <antoviaque> going there : ) 2011-06-16 18:06:26+0000 <antoviaque> good sentence ;p 2011-06-16 18:07:15+0000 <DavePark> thanks, it actually took me awhile to think of something 2011-06-16 18:07:40+0000 <antoviaque> yep, finding the right sentence can be tricky - it's the whole game for the author role : ) 2011-06-16 18:08:08+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: dachary: romulo: tempuramerino: new game :D => http://cardstori.es/?game_id=243&; 2011-06-16 18:09:08+0000 <antoviaque> DavePark: how many players did join already? 2011-06-16 18:09:15+0000 <romulo> i did 2011-06-16 18:09:21+0000 <antoviaque> romulo: cool :D 2011-06-16 18:09:25+0000 <DavePark> 3 so far 2011-06-16 18:09:31+0000 <DavePark> 4 2011-06-16 18:10:07+0000 <antoviaque> uhuh, tricky choice : ) 2011-06-16 18:10:47+0000 <dachary> I think I figured it out ;-) 2011-06-16 18:11:02+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: tsss tsss, you cheated and looked at the database :p 2011-06-16 18:11:09+0000 <DavePark> lol 2011-06-16 18:12:02+0000 * antoviaque changed his mind 2 times ;p 2011-06-16 18:12:57+0000 <antoviaque> DavePark: when everyone has voted (3 votes recorded) you can click next to publish the results 2011-06-16 18:13:31+0000 <DavePark> okay, I have but it tells me that everyone hasn't voted yet, so I've been clicking "No, Not Yet..." 2011-06-16 18:13:39+0000 <DavePark> I will go ahead and continue then 2011-06-16 18:13:43+0000 <antoviaque> ok : ) 2011-06-16 18:13:59+0000 <DavePark> congrats dachary :) 2011-06-16 18:14:05+0000 <antoviaque> DavePark: dachary: well done both of you :D 2011-06-16 18:14:10+0000 <antoviaque> ahahah 2011-06-16 18:14:10+0000 <romulo> aw 2011-06-16 18:14:15+0000 * antoviaque has lost again 2011-06-16 18:14:24+0000 <antoviaque> romulo we can create a club :p 2011-06-16 18:14:40+0000 <DavePark> I definitely got a better understanding the second time around 2011-06-16 18:15:07+0000 <antoviaque> DavePark: yep, in 2-3 games we can usually understand it better 2011-06-16 18:15:17+0000 <antoviaque> but the first games are tricky, we need to improve that 2011-06-16 18:15:45+0000 <DavePark> I have written down some notes, but I don't know if there is a proper place to write them... also, you might have already addressed the issue. 2011-06-16 18:15:59+0000 <antoviaque> DavePark: the best is to fill that: http://farsides.com/stats/survey/index.php?sid=47236&newtest=Y&lang=en 2011-06-16 18:16:11+0000 <DavePark> okay, will do 2011-06-16 18:16:13+0000 <antoviaque> this way we'll build a good db of feedback 2011-06-16 18:16:15+0000 <antoviaque> thanks :) 2011-06-16 18:16:31+0000 <dachary> ;-) 2011-06-16 18:17:36+0000 <antoviaque> DavePark: to allow you to dig a bit in the project, I've put a list of the main links to tools, code and docs there: http://farsides.com/wiki/Project_Tools 2011-06-16 18:18:26+0000 <DavePark> okay, I will bookmark it 2011-06-16 18:18:39+0000 <antoviaque> I'll let you have a look at those, and when you feel ready to discuss the test task let me know 2011-06-16 18:19:12+0000 <antoviaque> most likely it would be this http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/119 (which we'll need to discuss, since it's not really well described :p ) 2011-06-16 18:19:29+0000 <antoviaque> maybe tomorrow, after your discussion with blanchard? 2011-06-16 18:19:49+0000 <antoviaque> this way you can have a look at your own pace 2011-06-16 18:20:14+0000 <DavePark> sure thing 2011-06-16 18:20:16+0000 <romulo> oh i got game emails :D 2011-06-16 18:20:31+0000 <romulo> only one btw :( 2011-06-16 18:20:45+0000 <antoviaque> DavePark: ok perfect! 2011-06-16 18:20:56+0000 <antoviaque> romulo: only one? 2011-06-16 18:21:17+0000 <antoviaque> DavePark: in the meantime if you have questions don't hesitate to ping me : ) 2011-06-16 18:21:51+0000 <DavePark> sure, I am just filling out the survey at the moment. I can get back to you soon when I have finished? 2011-06-16 18:22:09+0000 <antoviaque> DavePark: no worries - really take your time 2011-06-16 18:22:17+0000 <antoviaque> and thanks for the survey! 2011-06-16 18:28:40+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, yeah, i only got one email 2011-06-16 18:31:03+0000 <antoviaque> yep, the results one you mean? 2011-06-16 18:31:27+0000 <antoviaque> it's because you weren't invited by email, but through a direct url link 2011-06-16 18:32:12+0000 <romulo> yeah i only got results, should have gotten vote and pick too 2011-06-16 18:32:19+0000 <antoviaque> ah yep vote 2011-06-16 18:32:26+0000 <antoviaque> but not pick, it's only the author 2011-06-16 18:34:15+0000 <antoviaque> yup - http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/47 2011-06-16 18:34:50+0000 <antoviaque> you had implemented it differently? I remember a discussion about this, a bug I think, but not sure anymore 2011-06-16 18:35:07+0000 <romulo> nop, i didnt 2011-06-16 18:35:09+0000 <romulo> this is right =P 2011-06-16 18:35:18+0000 <antoviaque> ok :) 2011-06-16 18:35:33+0000 <antoviaque> but in any case you're right, you should enter a bug for the vote that wasn't sent by email 2011-06-16 18:35:43+0000 <antoviaque> there is something fishy there 2011-06-16 18:36:25+0000 <DavePark> antoviaque: I have finished the survey. 2011-06-16 18:36:40+0000 <antoviaque> DavePark: many thanks for this, it's really precious 2011-06-16 18:36:47+0000 <DavePark> no problem 2011-06-16 18:41:49+0000 <DavePark> antoviaque: should I start here: http://farsides.com/wiki/Project_Tools ? 2011-06-16 18:41:57+0000 <antoviaque> yep 2011-06-16 18:42:05+0000 <antoviaque> it gives you the main tools & urls to visit 2011-06-16 18:42:13+0000 <DavePark> okay 2011-06-16 18:42:21+0000 <antoviaque> you don't need to look at everything in details, but it's good to have it in mind 2011-06-16 18:42:38+0000 <romulo> ill be back later 2011-06-16 18:42:43+0000 <romulo> good day =] 2011-06-16 18:42:49+0000 <antoviaque> romulo: see you! 2011-06-16 18:42:50+0000 <DavePark> goodbye 2011-06-16 18:43:03+0000 <DavePark> antoviaque: okay 2011-06-16 18:43:24+0000 <antoviaque> also the test task would be http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/119 2011-06-16 18:44:04+0000 <antoviaque> but before you get started with it, you'll need to discuss pricing with blanchard, to decide on a price for the test task 2011-06-16 18:44:15+0000 <antoviaque> and you'll need details about the task too 2011-06-16 18:44:54+0000 <antoviaque> so because blanchard had to leave, we'll probably be able to really discuss the task itself tomorrow - would that be ok with you? 2011-06-16 18:45:11+0000 <DavePark> okay, that is fine with me. When is a good time? 2011-06-16 18:46:27+0000 <antoviaque> not sure about blanchard's agenda, but we are usually around most of the day - the best is simply to login when you start your day and ping blanchard, he will end up answering at some point : ) 2011-06-16 18:46:46+0000 <antoviaque> otherwise you can try to send him an email at [email protected] to ask him for a time 2011-06-16 18:47:19+0000 <DavePark> Sure, I'll be online tomorrow, around the same time as today. 2011-06-16 18:47:30+0000 <DavePark> I'll send him an email anyways to let him know. 2011-06-16 18:47:33+0000 <antoviaque> ok perfect! 2011-06-16 18:47:40+0000 <antoviaque> Thanks Dave : ) 2011-06-16 18:47:56+0000 <DavePark> Not a problem. This has been a great experience :) 2011-06-16 18:48:06+0000 <antoviaque> and in the meantime don;t hesitate to stay around, and ask any question you have, about the tools or anything 2011-06-16 18:48:13+0000 <antoviaque> glad you enjoyed : ) 2011-06-16 18:49:13+0000 <DavePark> I will continue to look at the material/links you've sent me, in the meantime I will stay in the chat, and probably leave in an hour or so. 2011-06-16 18:49:52+0000 <antoviaque> okidok : ) 2011-06-16 19:39:08+0000 <DavePark> Well, thanks for the opporunity to be interviewed. I will see you tomorrow everyone! 2011-06-16 19:40:15+0000 DavePark (DavePark) is now offline 2011-06-16 20:21:04+0000 blanchard (blanchard) is now online 2011-06-16 23:37:21+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online
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