Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2011-06-19.
2011-06-19 02:02:18+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-06-19 08:01:43+0000 blanchard (blanchard) is now online 2011-06-19 08:09:07+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: unless you have a better idea, I would like to work #166 today. Although the general principle of the plugin is easy to grasp when looking at the examples, it is difficult to precisely answer a question such as : "how do I raise an error ? " or "how can I intercept a request ?" or "what is the content of the event argument ?" 2011-06-19 08:12:08+0000 <dachary> blanchard: hi 2011-06-19 08:19:30+0000 <blanchard> hello dachary 2011-06-19 08:20:33+0000 <blanchard> I suggest you have a look at http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=212429342104251 2011-06-19 08:20:39+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: dachary 2011-06-19 08:20:49+0000 <blanchard> (http://farsides.com/members/blanchard/activity/894/) 2011-06-19 08:21:56+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: good idea yep : ) 2011-06-19 08:22:29+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: so you would work on http://wiki.farsides.com/w/Card_Stories_-_Plugin_system_-_Webservice ? 2011-06-19 08:22:56+0000 <antoviaque> or just on the code side? 2011-06-19 08:25:52+0000 * antoviaque is going to update the tracker today 2011-06-19 08:25:58+0000 <antoviaque> quite a lot of backlog over there 2011-06-19 08:29:59+0000 <antoviaque> bbl - going to Deborah's 121 2011-06-19 08:38:02+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I updated http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/166 to describe why I think it is a good idea. 2011-06-19 09:13:17+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: yup, agreed with what you said 2011-06-19 09:13:28+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: :-) 2011-06-19 09:14:00+0000 <dachary> I just discovered a bug while working on it 2011-06-19 09:14:32+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: could you mark the ticket as In progress please ? 2011-06-19 09:14:33+0000 <antoviaque> but if you see some improvements you can make to this doc while you're at it, could be good too :p 2011-06-19 09:14:46+0000 <antoviaque> I've laready done that, cf the ticket ;p 2011-06-19 09:14:48+0000 <antoviaque> already 2011-06-19 09:14:55+0000 <dachary> ah, thanks :-) 2011-06-19 09:15:18+0000 <dachary> I will make sure to proofread the doc the next time I read it. 2011-06-19 09:15:29+0000 <antoviaque> thanks : ) 2011-06-19 09:18:53+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-06-19 09:36:34+0000 * dachary found the bug 2011-06-19 09:36:43+0000 * dachary coming over for the killing 2011-06-19 09:51:51+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :D so early and killing bugs alredy 2011-06-19 09:51:52+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahaahhaha 2011-06-19 09:52:32+0000 <blanchard> hunt is best at dawn 2011-06-19 10:02:32+0000 <blanchard> http://www.insidesocialgames.com/2011/06/16/battle-cards-is-customizable-card-game-for-the-facebook-generation/ 2011-06-19 10:02:35+0000 <blanchard> found this 2011-06-19 10:03:06+0000 <blanchard> about the game i was mentioning earlier 2011-06-19 10:07:04+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-06-19 10:28:28+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/147 2011-06-19 10:29:10+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: close is this one http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/97 2011-06-19 10:29:15+0000 <blanchard> should i merge ? 2011-06-19 10:29:50+0000 <antoviaque> yup, maybe just mark one as a duplicate of the other, and close it 2011-06-19 10:34:26+0000 * dachary working on http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/9 2011-06-19 10:37:36+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: i could mark the 97 as a duplicate but i don't have th right to close it i think 2011-06-19 10:46:10+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: --game-timeout=2592000 restored on cardstori.es and http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/9 fixed 2011-06-19 10:46:22+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: thanks :D 2011-06-19 11:02:19+0000 <dachary> http://tickets.farsides.com/attachments/30/email2.png antoviaque 2011-06-19 11:02:31+0000 <dachary> farsides/cardstories/emails/ has no directory 2011-06-19 11:42:06+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: gpg --recv-key --keyserver=keys.gnupg.net 497A176D 2011-06-19 11:42:15+0000 <dachary> git tag -v 1.0.3 2011-06-19 11:44:57+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: http://tickets.farsides.com/projects/cardstories/repository/revisions/9a1b8856d33fd6c65f5085a8d0f10d7b243acc52 implemented using the "need attention" graphics 2011-06-19 11:49:37+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: blanchard do you mind if I install 1.0.5 on cardstori.es ? 2011-06-19 11:51:12+0000 <blanchard> dachary: http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/114 2011-06-19 11:56:47+0000 <dachary> http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/114 antoviaque could you switch to merged ? 2011-06-19 11:57:13+0000 <antoviaque> done! 2011-06-19 12:00:37+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: could you please check your mail for an invitation ? 2011-06-19 12:02:20+0000 <dachary> http://cardstori.es/?game_id=260 antoviaque 2011-06-19 12:03:05+0000 <antoviaque> done 2011-06-19 12:44:09+0000 * dachary back to the example 2011-06-19 12:59:14+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: what's arbrandes timezone ? 2011-06-19 13:00:42+0000 <antoviaque> GMT-3 I think 2011-06-19 13:14:56+0000 laurent___ (laurent___) is now online 2011-06-19 13:15:02+0000 <laurent___> Hi all 2011-06-19 13:15:15+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: sorry for the late, i'm ok now 2011-06-19 13:15:27+0000 <tartarugafeliz> laurent___: hello!! :D 2011-06-19 13:15:37+0000 <tartarugafeliz> laurent___: I'm doing the mockups, I'm still on page 3 haahahha 2011-06-19 13:15:47+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: have u seen the roughs and post ? 2011-06-19 13:16:02+0000 <tartarugafeliz> nope, where is it? 2011-06-19 13:16:15+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: in graphics group 2011-06-19 13:16:46+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok Ill check 2011-06-19 13:16:51+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: http://farsides.com/wp-content/uploads/group-documents/1/1308479232-Cstories_entrance.png 2011-06-19 13:17:19+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeees 2011-06-19 13:17:22+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: and post http://farsides.com/groups/graphic-design/ 2011-06-19 13:17:23+0000 <tartarugafeliz> YOU GOT IT! :D 2011-06-19 13:17:33+0000 <blanchard> :) 2011-06-19 13:17:33+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I really liked your version of my monster ahhaha 2011-06-19 13:17:35+0000 <tartarugafeliz> really cute 2011-06-19 13:17:50+0000 <blanchard> I like very much the idea 2011-06-19 13:17:57+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: and some question in gamedesign group about our friday exhange 2011-06-19 13:18:03+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeeeey I'M SO HAAPPPY 2011-06-19 13:18:08+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'm reading 2011-06-19 13:18:14+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: just a way 2011-06-19 13:18:50+0000 <blanchard> laurent___: your mock up will need to be broken in 2 no ? 2011-06-19 13:18:51+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: we must find the good words :) 2011-06-19 13:19:01+0000 <blanchard> one for player and one for author 2011-06-19 13:19:20+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes 2011-06-19 13:19:25+0000 <tartarugafeliz> but all at once I love it 2011-06-19 13:19:27+0000 <laurent___> blanchard: exactly, for this one, is for player 2011-06-19 13:19:37+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ahhh you guys are talking about mockups 2011-06-19 13:19:45+0000 <laurent___> blanchard: i've posted questions on gamedesign group 2011-06-19 13:19:47+0000 <blanchard> ok laurent___ got it :) 2011-06-19 13:19:56+0000 <blanchard> laurent___: i've seen it 2011-06-19 13:19:58+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hehehe I was still talking about the hookup page :P sorry, yes I'm creating one for the author's view and other for the player's view 2011-06-19 13:20:17+0000 <blanchard> but i don't have a clear answer because there are many discussions around that still 2011-06-19 13:20:52+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: just an interrogation on me, be the author is an particular case i think 2011-06-19 13:21:10+0000 <tartarugafeliz> laurent___: I think you're right 2011-06-19 13:21:16+0000 <blanchard> for now it seems that the game can be played asynchronously (through email) and sychronously (with list of friends who are online and that i can ping) 2011-06-19 13:21:17+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: the principal way to play is be a simple player 2011-06-19 13:21:21+0000 <blanchard> laurent___: ^ 2011-06-19 13:21:38+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I explained like this, "try to drive the others on a false card" on a playtest I did with some friends and they got the concept better 2011-06-19 13:22:09+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: so the most important goal is : chose a fake card and find the real card 2011-06-19 13:22:18+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeap 2011-06-19 13:22:23+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I really like this concept 2011-06-19 13:22:44+0000 <tartarugafeliz> easier to understand and it will probably hook people faster 2011-06-19 13:22:53+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: yes me too, more easy to understand by the simple player way 2011-06-19 13:23:40+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: be the author, is a second step i think, when u have understand well the rules of a simple player 2011-06-19 13:23:42+0000 <dachary> I disagree 2011-06-19 13:23:52+0000 * dachary joking 2011-06-19 13:23:54+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hhahaahahah oh no 2011-06-19 13:23:55+0000 <antoviaque> I disagree too!! 2011-06-19 13:23:56+0000 <laurent___> héhé 2011-06-19 13:23:58+0000 * dachary reading the backlog 2011-06-19 13:23:58+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahah 2011-06-19 13:24:03+0000 <tartarugafeliz> you'll have to come up with a better solution theeen! :D 2011-06-19 13:24:11+0000 <antoviaque> nope, good approach I think, gratz : ) 2011-06-19 13:24:41+0000 <laurent___> blanchard: the game is for friends groups only ? 2011-06-19 13:24:51+0000 <antoviaque> laurent___: for now yup 2011-06-19 13:25:09+0000 <antoviaque> palying with unknown players is a more hardcore approach 2011-06-19 13:25:12+0000 <blanchard> laurent___: we'll see how it goes 2011-06-19 13:25:27+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: for this moment, i understand the goal to win, i have time to understand ;P 2011-06-19 13:25:29+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'm already including unknown players on my mockupsâ¦. 2011-06-19 13:25:33+0000 <antoviaque> if it's really needed (or asked by players) we can try to dig though 2011-06-19 13:25:41+0000 <tartarugafeliz> laurent___: I really like this idea, it simplifies everything 2011-06-19 13:25:49+0000 <tartarugafeliz> players are asking already 2011-06-19 13:25:53+0000 <tartarugafeliz> its the first thing they say 2011-06-19 13:25:58+0000 <tartarugafeliz> when they play with me 2011-06-19 13:26:00+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hunf. 2011-06-19 13:26:09+0000 <antoviaque> maybe they don't want to play with you? 2011-06-19 13:26:14+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ahahahahahaha maybe 2011-06-19 13:26:16+0000 <antoviaque> :p 2011-06-19 13:26:46+0000 <laurent___> antoviaque: but now, i don't see well why i play often... need superior goal thant just win a party, ithink 2011-06-19 13:26:56+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-06-19 13:27:02+0000 <antoviaque> definitely 2011-06-19 13:27:03+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes, we need some reward 2011-06-19 13:27:13+0000 <tartarugafeliz> this is something else you can help me with! :D 2011-06-19 13:27:14+0000 <antoviaque> ideas welcome on that subject 2011-06-19 13:27:16+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hurray! ahahahahah 2011-06-19 13:27:29+0000 <antoviaque> but we need to get the first 2-3 games right already : ) 2011-06-19 13:27:29+0000 <tartarugafeliz> probably collectibles would be cool 2011-06-19 13:27:44+0000 <antoviaque> one step at a time :) 2011-06-19 13:27:50+0000 <laurent___> don't understand 2-3 games ? 2011-06-19 13:28:08+0000 <tartarugafeliz> you know every time we have these discussions about the game play, I wonder how the coders are thinking ahahahah 2011-06-19 13:28:12+0000 <laurent___> u spoke about others games ? 2011-06-19 13:28:14+0000 <tartarugafeliz> how no, what. 2011-06-19 13:28:25+0000 <antoviaque> I mean, first we need to overcome the accessibility issue there is during the first games player play 2011-06-19 13:28:43+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes its true 2011-06-19 13:28:44+0000 <laurent___> ah ok 2011-06-19 13:29:01+0000 <tartarugafeliz> lets finish this phase, but we can already start thinking about the rewards 2011-06-19 13:29:14+0000 <antoviaque> but of course this is very likely to be the next thing to think of, afterwards : ) 2011-06-19 13:29:15+0000 <tartarugafeliz> cause then, when we decide to make it we would have thought a lot about it already 2011-06-19 13:29:23+0000 <laurent___> yes the first step is how to play, but a second step important is why to play :) 2011-06-19 13:29:46+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeap 2011-06-19 13:30:03+0000 <antoviaque> laurent___: of course : ) 2011-06-19 13:30:08+0000 <laurent___> ;) 2011-06-19 13:30:38+0000 <laurent___> for me, the firsts parties, i wanna understand the rules, and discover the visual of the card 2011-06-19 13:30:45+0000 <antoviaque> the thing being that once we have overcome the accessibility issue, we'll be able to start spreading the game a bit, and we'll then have ideas about the long term goals from players themselves : ) 2011-06-19 13:30:59+0000 <laurent___> but quickly, i must know what is the interest to come back play often ;) 2011-06-19 13:31:07+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-06-19 13:32:17+0000 <laurent___> i'm agree, solve the accessibility to understand the goal and rules of a party, but it will be incidence on the results of many parties.... perhaps 2011-06-19 13:32:29+0000 <antoviaque> true 2011-06-19 13:33:29+0000 <blanchard> tartarugafeliz: let me know if you want help for the texts of bubbles for the 2 introduction screens (for author and for player) i'll be delighted to help on that 2011-06-19 13:33:31+0000 <laurent___> so, about the entrance, the idea is to hooking by a very good sentence ( like déborah said : do u konw well your friend etc... ) 2011-06-19 13:33:46+0000 <blanchard> by the way where does this introduction screen is diplayed according to you ? 2011-06-19 13:33:51+0000 <tartarugafeliz> blanchard: of course I want! 2011-06-19 13:33:55+0000 <tartarugafeliz> blanchard: I'm terrible with it 2011-06-19 13:34:05+0000 <tartarugafeliz> with all the text of the game, by the way 2011-06-19 13:34:15+0000 <blanchard> is it on the login screen ? 2011-06-19 13:34:16+0000 <tartarugafeliz> if you can help me to solve all the texts it would be amazing 2011-06-19 13:34:20+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes 2011-06-19 13:34:20+0000 <laurent___> blanchard: if we have two entrance, we'll need a previous page to choose between the two entrance ? 2011-06-19 13:34:35+0000 <blanchard> there is already a choice to be made 2011-06-19 13:34:38+0000 <blanchard> on the lobby 2011-06-19 13:34:44+0000 <laurent___> oh ok 2011-06-19 13:34:46+0000 <blanchard> between playing as author or player 2011-06-19 13:34:48+0000 <blanchard> so 2011-06-19 13:35:04+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes, but the first thing the player sees shouldn't be the lobby 2011-06-19 13:35:16+0000 <blanchard> if it's displayed on a screen before that (like the login screen), what should we display 2011-06-19 13:35:17+0000 <tartarugafeliz> its really confusing for them to see the lobby when they never played before 2011-06-19 13:35:34+0000 <laurent___> i'm a little lost :) 2011-06-19 13:35:36+0000 <blanchard> ok so it's all about the game introduction the first time you play 2011-06-19 13:35:42+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: entered a bug about that http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/160 2011-06-19 13:35:43+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes, I agree 2011-06-19 13:35:49+0000 <blanchard> laurent___: it's because i talked 2011-06-19 13:35:57+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and then after you played you can go to the lobby because you'll understand what is it about 2011-06-19 13:35:59+0000 <blanchard> everytime i talk, I lose you :p 2011-06-19 13:35:59+0000 <laurent___> blanchard: héhé 2011-06-19 13:36:41+0000 <laurent___> blanchard: no no it's because i put all my attention on the deborah's speak 2011-06-19 13:36:43+0000 <laurent___> :) 2011-06-19 13:37:29+0000 <laurent___> so, first lobby or first "entrance sentence" ? 2011-06-19 13:38:09+0000 <laurent___> perhaps the first time u log, just simple player ( not author ) is possible ? 2011-06-19 13:38:35+0000 <laurent___> if that's possible to detect is the first log.... 2011-06-19 13:39:34+0000 <laurent___> in fact, more i think, more i'm convince than the author's aspect is just a particular case of the game... 2011-06-19 13:39:57+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes, I'm starting to think like that too.. but we need to consider that the author is the one who's starting the games 2011-06-19 13:40:41+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: 2011-06-19 13:41:00+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: yes, more than explain like the "game master" 2011-06-19 13:41:49+0000 <laurent___> for me, it's little similar with an AD&D party.... a game master (with specific complexe rules ) and the players ( with the main rules ) 2011-06-19 13:41:58+0000 <tartarugafeliz> laurent___: did you see this? https://gitorious.org/farsides/farsides/blobs/master/cardstories/gamedesign/CardStories_Navigation_through_Game_Modes.jpg 2011-06-19 13:42:08+0000 <laurent___> i'll see 2011-06-19 13:45:40+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and here's the mockups I'm working on (on the author's view) https://gitorious.org/farsides/farsides/trees/master/cardstories/mockups%202/Author's%20view 2011-06-19 13:45:45+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: ok, so the black circle can be the entrance ( detected first log ) with button PLAY, and perhaps u can click on the buble to have the explanation of a step 2011-06-19 13:46:32+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: so, when u can choose to be author, on the solo or multi mode, and tutorial too ? 2011-06-19 13:47:02+0000 <tartarugafeliz> laurent___: if its solo you only play as player 2011-06-19 13:47:31+0000 <tartarugafeliz> but this part is not specified 2011-06-19 13:47:33+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: for me, the first times i try, i'm focused on to make a sentence, and i don't integrate than is very important to choose a "fake" card to false the other players 2011-06-19 13:47:51+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: ok :) 2011-06-19 13:48:06+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes, we still have to make serious decisions here 2011-06-19 13:48:22+0000 <tartarugafeliz> based on the gamedesign that Charles did, we could try to think of ways to solve that perhaps 2011-06-19 13:48:26+0000 <tartarugafeliz> what do you think? 2011-06-19 13:49:23+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: perhaps, i'm not sure about that, because i have not the same "recul" than u, david, xavier :) 2011-06-19 13:49:35+0000 <tartarugafeliz> laurent___: its true, when you play as a player you don't understand that you choose one to be the "fake" one and another one to discover, its very difficult to understand this part right now, we need your help! ahahahah 2011-06-19 13:50:43+0000 <tartarugafeliz> did you check the mockups Im doing? 2011-06-19 13:51:57+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: the difficulty is to make clear than they have three sort of cards : the card chosen by author, the cards chosen by the others, my card of player ( this on is not the card to find ;P ) 2011-06-19 13:52:37+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: not yet , where are the noew mockup u are doing ? 2011-06-19 13:52:40+0000 <tartarugafeliz> laurent___: but maybe with this new mockups I'm doing plus the introduction page that is going to give the concept of faking and discovering, this will be solved 2011-06-19 13:52:56+0000 <tartarugafeliz> laurent___: here https://gitorious.org/farsides/farsides/trees/master/cardstories/mockups%202/Author's%20view 2011-06-19 13:53:03+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: i'll see 2011-06-19 13:56:10+0000 <laurent___> ta tartarugafeliz for the one : is for the specific case of the author, so perhaps must begin with the generic case, the simple player aspect... 2011-06-19 13:57:06+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I don't understand, what simple player aspect? 2011-06-19 13:57:26+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: i'm a player arrive in a party 2011-06-19 13:57:54+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: on your mokup, i'm deborah ( a simple player, not a author ) 2011-06-19 13:58:25+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ahh but I wasn't thinking about this yet⦠I was just trying to first, figure out how the table is going to work with the mockups⦠and then we see the order, and what you do the first time you arrive, this kind of details... 2011-06-19 13:58:46+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: so what must i make : choose a card, waiting for the others, vote, waiting the others vote, and see results 2011-06-19 13:58:55+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeap 2011-06-19 13:58:58+0000 <blanchard> tartarugafeliz: i think laurent___is talking about designing the mock up for the player 2011-06-19 13:59:21+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'll do the player too 2011-06-19 13:59:26+0000 <laurent___> blanchard: yep, :) 2011-06-19 13:59:39+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I just started by the author because its easier for me to organize my thoughts 2011-06-19 14:00:08+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: is that i said : author just a particular case ( complex but particular ) 2011-06-19 14:01:02+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: of course is usefull ;) 2011-06-19 14:01:16+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: player's view too ;) 2011-06-19 14:01:21+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahaha :D exactly 2011-06-19 14:01:45+0000 <blanchard> laurent___: agreed. Both need to be designed. I think that if you help tartarugafeliz with acessibility on the current author mockups, it will also be helpful when she'll design the player's nope ? 2011-06-19 14:02:15+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: as i think is more easy to understand the goal and rules like a simple player, it will be important to have his view ;) 2011-06-19 14:02:17+0000 <tartarugafeliz> agreed 2011-06-19 14:02:41+0000 <tartarugafeliz> you can help me to start the player's view if you want 2011-06-19 14:02:45+0000 <tartarugafeliz> it would help me a lot 2011-06-19 14:03:30+0000 <tartarugafeliz> no no I was just kidding 2011-06-19 14:03:50+0000 <tartarugafeliz> but for feedback when I finish 2011-06-19 14:03:52+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :D 2011-06-19 14:04:10+0000 <tartarugafeliz> is it ok? when I finish I'll send to the group and then you see if you agree or if you have comments 2011-06-19 14:04:24+0000 <laurent___> a question on the gamedesign : in the connect pannel, is that your facebook, socials network friends mail ? what about the people actually connected to the games but u don't know adress mail ? 2011-06-19 14:04:40+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: héhé ;) 2011-06-19 14:05:14+0000 <tartarugafeliz> its people actually connected to the games but I don't have them on my facebook necessarily 2011-06-19 14:05:30+0000 <tartarugafeliz> exactly, its those people. but I think its possible to have both 2011-06-19 14:05:32+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: you have a best view of the game than me, i can check your purpose with my "newbie" view of the game ;) 2011-06-19 14:05:44+0000 <tartarugafeliz> we can play more if you want 2011-06-19 14:05:48+0000 <tartarugafeliz> lets make a play now? 2011-06-19 14:06:24+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: ok for me, usefull for the workflow understanding 2011-06-19 14:06:32+0000 <tartarugafeliz> http://cardstori.es/?game_id=262&; 2011-06-19 14:06:37+0000 <tartarugafeliz> here lets play everyone!!! 2011-06-19 14:07:32+0000 <laurent___> a first feedaback : why i must enter my email each time.... i'll will be cool to have a remember ;) 2011-06-19 14:08:44+0000 <antoviaque> laurent___: good remark - entered in a ticket :) http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/172 2011-06-19 14:08:48+0000 <tartarugafeliz> true!!! 2011-06-19 14:09:30+0000 <antoviaque> laurent___: ahahahahaha 2011-06-19 14:09:34+0000 <tartarugafeliz> cooolll laurent! 2011-06-19 14:09:36+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahaha 2011-06-19 14:10:19+0000 <laurent___> héhé, i'm a veteran of this game, i understand well the faked card !!!! 2011-06-19 14:10:34+0000 <tartarugafeliz> haahahah 2011-06-19 14:10:57+0000 <tartarugafeliz> the faked card concept is amazing indeed 2011-06-19 14:11:37+0000 <laurent___> yes i think is the second "goal" of a simple player 2011-06-19 14:12:01+0000 <laurent___> perhaps because i 'm not good spirit ;P 2011-06-19 14:12:22+0000 <tartarugafeliz> another one! http://cardstori.es/?game_id=263&; 2011-06-19 14:12:26+0000 <laurent___> but the first time, i haven't understand this goal 2011-06-19 14:12:39+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes, this goal is there, but now we can explicit it 2011-06-19 14:15:31+0000 <laurent___> another feedback : all the five cards don't feel good... so it will be cool if possible to change the proposal a different second desk by a button ? 2011-06-19 14:15:55+0000 <antoviaque> laurent___: not enough cards for this atm : ) 2011-06-19 14:16:06+0000 <laurent___> euh why ? 2011-06-19 14:16:11+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahaahha 2011-06-19 14:16:15+0000 <antoviaque> when there is all the players slots taken, all cards are used once 2011-06-19 14:16:28+0000 <laurent___> oh 6x5+1 ? 2011-06-19 14:16:32+0000 <tartarugafeliz> because I only designed 36 cards at the moment 2011-06-19 14:16:45+0000 <laurent___> 7X5+1 so 2011-06-19 14:17:02+0000 <laurent___> hum u make five more ;P 2011-06-19 14:17:30+0000 <laurent___> and when someone change, these old five can be choose ... ok not important 2011-06-19 14:17:34+0000 <laurent___> :p 2011-06-19 14:18:12+0000 <tartarugafeliz> you should definitely convince xavier about that. hahahaha :P 2011-06-19 14:18:18+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahah 2011-06-19 14:18:28+0000 <laurent___> sorry ;) 2011-06-19 14:18:34+0000 <antoviaque> I can't wait the moment we'll be able to justify producing new cards : ) 2011-06-19 14:18:35+0000 <tartarugafeliz> its an improvement we have in mind already 2011-06-19 14:20:50+0000 <laurent___> tartarugafeliz: ok so, notion of "fake" card is very important, so in the step of choose this card, in the bubble or tips a sentence can be : put the others on a wrong way 2011-06-19 14:21:03+0000 <antoviaque> laurent___: 7x5+1 yep 2011-06-19 14:24:10+0000 <laurent___> another question : when i created a party, it's necessary to invite ? my party can just appear for the connected people ? 2011-06-19 14:25:47+0000 laurent__ (laurent__) is now online 2011-06-19 14:27:36+0000 <laurent__> oh i lose my connection, i don't know if if have answer about the "invite necessary people" 2011-06-19 14:27:54+0000 <laurent__> blanchard: your are here ? 2011-06-19 14:28:20+0000 <blanchard> laurent__: yes i'm here 2011-06-19 14:28:27+0000 <blanchard> let me read your question 2011-06-19 14:29:13+0000 <blanchard> right now, either you invite people with the mail, or you give the url in the chat here 2011-06-19 14:29:28+0000 <blanchard> for the connected people it's a good idea but it's not there yet 2011-06-19 14:30:25+0000 <laurent__> bl blanchard ok thks 2011-06-19 14:32:10+0000 <laurent__> blanchard: skype ? 2011-06-19 14:32:23+0000 <blanchard> laurent__: not easy now 2011-06-19 14:32:35+0000 <laurent__> bl ok no problemo :) 2011-06-19 14:32:39+0000 <blanchard> what did you want to discuss ? 2011-06-19 14:32:46+0000 <laurent__> blanchard: just to have french exhange ;P 2011-06-19 14:32:50+0000 <blanchard> :) 2011-06-19 14:32:56+0000 <blanchard> later no problem 2011-06-19 14:33:04+0000 <laurent__> blanchard: ok ! 2011-06-19 14:33:16+0000 <laurent__> blanchard: so what is the next step ? 2011-06-19 14:33:27+0000 <blanchard> tartarugafeliz: what is the next step ? 2011-06-19 14:33:29+0000 <blanchard> :) 2011-06-19 14:33:35+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'm going to finish the mockups 2011-06-19 14:33:39+0000 <laurent__> tartarugafeliz: so i wait for your mokups for player view ? 2011-06-19 14:33:42+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and then laurent can check 2011-06-19 14:33:44+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeap! 2011-06-19 14:33:53+0000 <laurent__> tartarugafeliz: fine :) 2011-06-19 14:34:18+0000 <tartarugafeliz> thank you for your work, it helps me a lot 2011-06-19 14:34:20+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :) 2011-06-19 14:34:45+0000 <laurent__> tartarugafeliz: cool and you help me to understand the game ;) 2011-06-19 14:34:51+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :D 2011-06-19 14:35:33+0000 <laurent__> tartarugafeliz: when can be work together ? friday afternoon or another day ? 2011-06-19 14:35:51+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'll work for FarSides on wednesday again 2011-06-19 14:36:08+0000 <tartarugafeliz> if you can it would be good to discuss it on the same day 2011-06-19 14:37:03+0000 <laurent__> tartarugafeliz: mercredi ? hum not easy for me but i can come in the afternoon to have a quick exhange on your new mokup 2011-06-19 14:37:44+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok 2011-06-19 14:38:28+0000 <laurent__> tartarugafeliz: ok so have a nice day and see u wenesday :) 2011-06-19 14:38:33+0000 <laurent__> bye bye all 2011-06-19 14:38:44+0000 <tartarugafeliz> see you laurent__ merci!!! 2011-06-19 15:58:01+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I updated the mockups for the Author's view here: https://gitorious.org/farsides/farsides/trees/master/cardstories/mockups%202/Author's%20view 2011-06-19 15:58:24+0000 <tartarugafeliz> blanchard: if you can help me rewriting all those texts it would be good, cause they suck right now hahahaha 2011-06-19 15:59:30+0000 <blanchard> tartarugafeliz: ok but as a first step i was more thinking of working on the texts in Laurent's mock up no ? Because it will be implemented before as it is simplier 2011-06-19 15:59:52+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes of course, its just for you to know 2011-06-19 15:59:55+0000 <tartarugafeliz> that you can change that 2011-06-19 15:59:57+0000 <blanchard> ah ok :) 2011-06-19 16:00:00+0000 <tartarugafeliz> its temporary, definitely. ahhaah 2011-06-19 16:09:25+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: the http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/51 is the one Laurent worked on, should it be attibuted to Deb and timed ? 2011-06-19 17:23:20+0000 <tartarugafeliz> mockups! https://gitorious.org/farsides/farsides/trees/master/cardstories/mockups%202 2011-06-19 18:00:50+0000 blanchard (blanchard) is now offline 2011-06-19 18:20:56+0000 tempuramerino (tempuramerino) is now online 2011-06-19 18:42:17+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: http://tickets.farsides.com/projects/cardstories/repository/revisions/85f6c6899561be103608c8b996123155c4a7263b/entry/plugins/example/example.py 2011-06-19 18:42:26+0000 <dachary> this is the documentation of the plugins 2011-06-19 19:03:12+0000 blanchard (blanchard) is now online 2011-06-19 19:04:42+0000 davepark (davepark) is now online 2011-06-19 19:04:49+0000 <antoviaque> hi davepark! 2011-06-19 19:04:58+0000 <davepark> hello antoviaque :) 2011-06-19 19:05:06+0000 <antoviaque> having a good week-end? : ) 2011-06-19 19:05:30+0000 <davepark> pretty good, I was at a friend's birthday party last night. It was fun :) 2011-06-19 19:06:09+0000 <davepark> how about yourself? 2011-06-19 19:15:04+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-06-19 19:20:44+0000 <antoviaque> davepark: very well! 2011-06-19 19:22:20+0000 <antoviaque> sunday is a big work day actually, still finishing : ) 2011-06-19 19:22:40+0000 <antoviaque> especially because I will be doing my self review over the next two days, and be unavailable 2011-06-19 19:22:59+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: actually I still have some work to finish my day and prepare for my two days retreat, I won't be able to finish everything I wanted to do before - can I ask you to help me with one of the tasks? 2011-06-19 19:24:33+0000 <antoviaque> it would be to contact each of the candidates, see if they have everything they need (task, estimate, registered in tools) and setting a deadline with them for completion, as well as reminding to come discuss a bit every day 2011-06-19 19:26:13+0000 <antoviaque> and also mention that we'll take a hiring decision next week 2011-06-19 19:43:48+0000 <davepark> dachary: do you have time to discuss bug #119? 2011-06-19 19:44:52+0000 <davepark> I am going to eat lunch soon, I will be back in 30 mins... maybe we can dicuss it then? 2011-06-19 19:48:57+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: i have some time tomorrow, I won't on tuesday. So i can do that tomorrow 2011-06-19 19:49:34+0000 <antoviaque> davepark: if I can help you let me know - don't know if dachary will be around, since it's almost 10pm here already : ) 2011-06-19 19:49:41+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: would be great, thanks : ) 2011-06-19 19:49:42+0000 <blanchard> Are you confident that you will be able to take a decision next week (meaning that all the test tasks will be finished by then) 2011-06-19 19:50:04+0000 <davepark> antoviaque: sure, I'll talk to you after i eat. 2011-06-19 19:50:10+0000 <antoviaque> davepark: ok : ) 2011-06-19 19:50:56+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: > 2011-06-19 19:51:00+0000 <blanchard> " 2011-06-19 19:51:02+0000 <blanchard> damn 2011-06-19 19:51:07+0000 <blanchard> ^ 2011-06-19 19:51:10+0000 <blanchard> :p 2011-06-19 19:51:12+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: even if all the tasks aren't finished by then, it would have left two weeks, so there should at least be a ready for review proposed that would allow to judge yep 2011-06-19 19:51:21+0000 <antoviaque> the idea is to not let things stretch forever 2011-06-19 19:52:06+0000 <blanchard> ok you mean the week of 27th, not the one that's coming 2011-06-19 19:52:11+0000 <antoviaque> yes 2011-06-19 19:52:20+0000 <blanchard> got it 2011-06-19 19:52:44+0000 <antoviaque> let me get you people's email btw 2011-06-19 19:53:52+0000 <antoviaque> the idea is also to make them feel they are taken care of - with the rush this week it may have given an impression that things were "floating" a bit, if that makes sense 2011-06-19 19:54:09+0000 <blanchard> sure 2011-06-19 19:54:23+0000 <antoviaque> so here it would be about giving them a "frame" (cadre), checking it's ok, and providing support 2011-06-19 19:54:54+0000 <antoviaque> maybe also mention that I won't be around for two days, and that you won't be there on Tuesday, so that they are not surprise 2011-06-19 19:55:38+0000 <blanchard> yes yes yes :) 2011-06-19 19:55:47+0000 <antoviaque> ahahah, ok : ) 2011-06-19 19:56:03+0000 <antoviaque> I just feel bad that I didn't do that myself I think ;p 2011-06-19 19:56:35+0000 <antoviaque> thanks anyway : ) 2011-06-19 19:56:43+0000 <blanchard> in case one is blocked technically on monday or tuesday, what's the strategy ? Wait or Loic or you ? 2011-06-19 19:56:51+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: ^ 2011-06-19 19:57:19+0000 <antoviaque> Monday dachary won't be around, and I think he will be traveling to Toulouse on Tuesday 2011-06-19 19:58:28+0000 <antoviaque> so maybe if one is blocked you can try to sort things out by email with you/loic/bar@, if it looks like it going to be difficult to get everyone in the chat at the same time 2011-06-19 19:59:03+0000 <blanchard> ok 2011-06-19 19:59:03+0000 <antoviaque> or if he can work around it, then just wait for loic or me to be come on the chat 2011-06-19 20:01:19+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: could be good to do the same thing with rogerio too while you're at it, I haven't seen him for a few days 2011-06-19 20:01:34+0000 <blanchard> neither have i, yep good idea 2011-06-19 20:01:46+0000 <antoviaque> (he answered by email that he was busy with exams, but could be good to make sure we get back on track) 2011-06-19 20:02:25+0000 <blanchard> ok i'll need the emails of the candidates here or by mail 2011-06-19 20:02:38+0000 <blanchard> because i'm not sure i've got all of them 2011-06-19 20:02:49+0000 <antoviaque> for romulo he needs to finish the task he has - if he gets ready to take on a new one ask him to wait for Wednesday, I'll need to talk to him 2011-06-19 20:02:57+0000 <antoviaque> yep, I'm gathering that to send you 2011-06-19 20:08:26+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: emails sent! 2011-06-19 20:08:28+0000 <antoviaque> thanks again : ) 2011-06-19 20:08:37+0000 <blanchard> yw :) 2011-06-19 20:12:51+0000 <antoviaque> btw if you're looking for some of their tasks in the tracker, I've assigned the ones from people who don't have an account to myself 2011-06-19 20:13:09+0000 <blanchard> ok 2011-06-19 20:14:19+0000 <antoviaque> ah and one last thing: *really* insist on the fact that they need to come to the chat on a daily basis to discuss progress : ) 2011-06-19 20:14:45+0000 <antoviaque> I've already said a lot about this during the presentation, but not sure everyone has kept it in mind ;p 2011-06-19 20:15:04+0000 <blanchard> yep :) starting on wednesday 2011-06-19 20:15:37+0000 <antoviaque> yup, and monday to discuss with you 2011-06-19 20:16:22+0000 <antoviaque> sorry to go so much in the details, I'm not used to leave the chat for such a long time anymore 2011-06-19 20:16:27+0000 * antoviaque needs therapy ;p 2011-06-19 20:16:43+0000 <blanchard> indeed. Don't worry i fully understand your concern with candidates 2011-06-19 20:16:46+0000 <blanchard> makes sense 2011-06-19 20:16:50+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-06-19 20:17:20+0000 <blanchard> the 'indeed' i wrote was not regarding your therapy by the way 2011-06-19 20:17:38+0000 <blanchard> the log might give the wrong impression 2011-06-19 20:17:41+0000 <blanchard> hehe 2011-06-19 20:18:58+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahahah 2011-06-19 20:40:21+0000 <davepark> antoviaque: I wanted to ask you some questions to clarify my task (bug #119)... 2011-06-19 20:40:25+0000 <antoviaque> sure 2011-06-19 20:40:37+0000 <antoviaque> at least if I can answer : ) 2011-06-19 20:40:59+0000 <davepark> Which version of Symfony are you going to use? Version 1.4 (or earlier), or version 2 (beta)? 2011-06-19 20:41:03+0000 <antoviaque> 1.4 2011-06-19 20:41:09+0000 <davepark> ok 2011-06-19 20:41:12+0000 <antoviaque> 2 is too bleeding edge : ) 2011-06-19 20:41:42+0000 <davepark> I was under the impression that symfony was already being used, I found out when looking at the source that it is not being used... When will it be integrated with Card Stories? 2011-06-19 20:41:57+0000 <antoviaque> rogerio is working on it yep 2011-06-19 20:42:05+0000 <davepark> ah okay 2011-06-19 20:42:22+0000 <antoviaque> but here since it's a test task, the idea is that you start from scratch - and then we'll reconciliate both 2011-06-19 20:42:35+0000 <antoviaque> (if we go for symfony at all actually, we're also evaluating django) 2011-06-19 20:42:44+0000 <davepark> Will the new player be creating an account? 2011-06-19 20:42:52+0000 <antoviaque> not sure yet what is the best approach, as frameworks can be tricky 2011-06-19 20:42:54+0000 <antoviaque> yep 2011-06-19 20:43:11+0000 <antoviaque> did you had a look at http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/150 already? 2011-06-19 20:43:21+0000 <antoviaque> it's the same task, but for django 2011-06-19 20:43:34+0000 <antoviaque> this way what applies in that case also apply to your task 2011-06-19 20:43:41+0000 <davepark> i have not seen that issue 2011-06-19 20:43:43+0000 <davepark> ok 2011-06-19 20:44:24+0000 <antoviaque> the chat log and the mockup will give you important information (that you are missing right now, yep) 2011-06-19 20:45:52+0000 <davepark> ok 2011-06-19 20:46:31+0000 <dachary> I'm back, writing my report. 2011-06-19 20:46:49+0000 <dachary> Let me know if you need anything from me, I did not read the backlog ;-) 2011-06-19 20:47:28+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: discussing davepark's task , http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/119 2011-06-19 20:57:04+0000 blanchard (blanchard) is now online 2011-06-19 21:29:38+0000 <dachary> it was a pleasure working at farsides today. I'm really happy about documenting the plugin. And also because I've fixed a few bugs and upgraded cardstori.es with better mail support. 2011-06-19 21:30:14+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I'm backup'ing the VM and wondered if you did a backup of tickets ? 2011-06-19 21:31:32+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: glad you liked :D 2011-06-19 21:32:13+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: no backup lately (I know, it's bad), I should receive the backup server in a couple of days, I'll make sure I've everything backuped then 2011-06-19 21:33:05+0000 * dachary rebuilding the packages for 1.0.5 in the packaging-farm 2011-06-19 21:33:23+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: ok 2011-06-19 21:34:17+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I'm not too stressed because the tickets VM is on a DRBD disk that can be restored even if the machine blows up ;-) 2011-06-19 21:34:31+0000 <antoviaque> :D 2011-06-19 21:35:14+0000 <dachary> it would not resist an accidental rm -fr / though ;-) 2011-06-19 21:35:38+0000 <dachary> davepark: hi 2011-06-19 21:35:59+0000 <davepark> hi dachary 2011-06-19 23:49:44+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: apt-get install gource ; cd cardstories ; gource 2011-06-19 23:50:07+0000 <dachary> nicely packaged. You will see yourself around may 20th mostly ;-)
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