Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2011-08-01.
2011-08-01 07:11:52+0000 blanchard1 (blanchard1) is now online 2011-08-01 07:27:28+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-08-01 07:33:33+0000 <antoviaque> hi! 2011-08-01 08:07:26+0000 <blanchard1> antoviaque: can you please remind me the name of the tool for uploading/downloading files on gitorious/farsides ? (new install of ubuntu => i still need to reinstall some stuff) 2011-08-01 08:07:36+0000 <antoviaque> sparkleshare 2011-08-01 08:07:44+0000 <blanchard1> ah yes thanks :) 2011-08-01 08:07:46+0000 <antoviaque> http://wiki.farsides.com/w/Network_share 2011-08-01 08:07:48+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-08-01 08:10:57+0000 <dachary> hi ! 2011-08-01 08:11:03+0000 <antoviaque> hi dachary! 2011-08-01 08:11:08+0000 <antoviaque> guten tag :D 2011-08-01 08:11:47+0000 * antoviaque is fixing conflict between his branch, adolfo's and mtyaka's 2011-08-01 08:14:57+0000 <dachary> guten tag ! 2011-08-01 08:15:12+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I suggest you start with adolfo 2011-08-01 08:15:23+0000 <dachary> because he merged mtyaka 2011-08-01 08:17:33+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: except branch issue272 - some conflicts in there 2011-08-01 08:18:02+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka pushed it on saturday 2011-08-01 08:19:33+0000 <antoviaque> nothing too bad though from what I could see so far 2011-08-01 08:32:39+0000 <dachary> ok 2011-08-01 08:52:43+0000 <antoviaque> my mistake - it's actually already merged, still just don't know how to use git well : ) 2011-08-01 08:52:56+0000 <antoviaque> git has a gift to never do what you think it will do ;p 2011-08-01 09:02:59+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahah: 2011-08-01 09:03:01+0000 <antoviaque> Automated merge did not work. 2011-08-01 09:03:02+0000 <antoviaque> Should not be doing an Octopus. 2011-08-01 09:03:02+0000 <antoviaque> Merge with strategy octopus failed. 2011-08-01 09:03:45+0000 <antoviaque> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5475387/determining-which-branches-in-conflict-during-an-octopus-merge hehehe 2011-08-01 09:03:51+0000 * antoviaque tries again 2011-08-01 09:06:47+0000 * antoviaque is getting more and more confused 2011-08-01 09:08:33+0000 <antoviaque> ok, no, there are really conflicts, grmml 2011-08-01 09:08:47+0000 <antoviaque> git is cool, but linus really needs a therapy 2011-08-01 09:31:22+0000 mtyaka (mtyaka) is now online 2011-08-01 09:32:10+0000 <mtyaka> hi folks 2011-08-01 09:35:36+0000 <antoviaque> hi mtyaka! 2011-08-01 09:36:42+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: can we put an estimate on #276? 2011-08-01 09:37:11+0000 <antoviaque> sure - how much? 2011-08-01 09:37:18+0000 <mtyaka> 1 hour? 2011-08-01 09:38:02+0000 <antoviaque> ok for me! 2011-08-01 09:39:12+0000 <mtyaka> updated the ticket, thanks! 2011-08-01 09:40:17+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: about your branch issue272 - do you get the errors on http://cardstories.antoviaque.org:8000/static/test/index.html ? (I've put your branch on this url) 2011-08-01 09:41:09+0000 <antoviaque> I'm trying to merge everything to review and finish the tests for my ticket 2011-08-01 09:41:47+0000 <antoviaque> btw there are conflicts with arbrandes' commit from Friday 2011-08-01 09:42:30+0000 <antoviaque> ah, saw http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/272 2011-08-01 09:42:37+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: the tests fail for me (nr. 29 fails and then the test suite hangs on nr. 30) 2011-08-01 09:42:59+0000 <antoviaque> yup, had the same issue with them on Friday 2011-08-01 09:43:23+0000 <mtyaka> the tests in my issue272 branch on gitorius should pass - because i put the animation test after the "create" test 2011-08-01 09:43:53+0000 <antoviaque> let me see 2011-08-01 09:44:14+0000 <mtyaka> but this is just a temporary workaround and i think we should look into it. the order of the tests shouldn't matter. 2011-08-01 09:45:18+0000 <mtyaka> i a bit suspect that in some test we aren't resuming ("start()") the test at the right time and there are still animations or something going on while the test suite already moves on to the next test 2011-08-01 09:46:49+0000 <mtyaka> and so the existing animations are messing up with the rest of the running tests 2011-08-01 09:47:48+0000 <mtyaka> i went from test to test while working on #272, and moved some things around, but didn't track down the reason yet 2011-08-01 09:48:20+0000 <mtyaka> would be happy to do that, though - perhaps that could be my next task after #276 2011-08-01 09:48:35+0000 <antoviaque> yes, or portions of the DOM that are not reset to a state that the code is expecting 2011-08-01 09:49:10+0000 <antoviaque> hmm, can't get the tests to pass on your branch - what do get when you run http://cardstories.antoviaque.org:8000/static/test/index.html ? 2011-08-01 09:49:30+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: yes, although as I understand, qunit should automatically reset the #qunit-fixture element before every test 2011-08-01 09:49:59+0000 <antoviaque> even when we use stop() start()? 2011-08-01 09:50:27+0000 <mtyaka> i don't really know the internals of qunit, but i think that it should, yes 2011-08-01 09:51:11+0000 <mtyaka> that's why i'm suspecting it's an animation or some other setTimeout/setInterval call 2011-08-01 09:51:40+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: hmm... no, i get the same results - the tests pass 2011-08-01 09:51:47+0000 <mtyaka> blah... i meant fail 2011-08-01 09:51:56+0000 <mtyaka> let me check my branch again 2011-08-01 09:52:18+0000 <antoviaque> thanks - maybe I did something wrong on my side 2011-08-01 09:53:03+0000 <antoviaque> ah wait 2011-08-01 09:53:57+0000 <antoviaque> nope, all ok - the webserver was in the wrong path :/ http://cardstories.antoviaque.org:8000/static/test/index.html 2011-08-01 09:54:03+0000 <antoviaque> sorry for the trouble 2011-08-01 09:54:06+0000 <antoviaque> it runs well 2011-08-01 09:54:14+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: ^ 2011-08-01 09:54:20+0000 <mtyaka> ah, ok 2011-08-01 09:55:54+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: there's another problem i noticed while running tests, perhaps it's related to the ordering issue 2011-08-01 09:56:07+0000 <mtyaka> in chrome console i see an error thrown when running tests 2011-08-01 09:56:33+0000 <antoviaque> Uncaught #<Object> ? 2011-08-01 09:56:36+0000 <mtyaka> it is thrown by the stubbed $.cardstories.ajax function, which probably shouldn't be called 2011-08-01 09:56:40+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: right 2011-08-01 09:57:02+0000 <mtyaka> or if it is expected to be called, it should be re-stubbed to not throw an error 2011-08-01 09:59:40+0000 <antoviaque> hmmm, I have a hard time figuring out this mess 2011-08-01 10:00:36+0000 <antoviaque> I think I'm going to wait until we discuss it, it's a bit over my head : ) 2011-08-01 10:02:30+0000 <antoviaque> In any case, even if I didn't get the unit tests to run when merging arbrandes and your changes, I was able to test the changes in the game itself, and it's starting to look *really* cool :D 2011-08-01 10:03:04+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: hehe, that's good to know 2011-08-01 10:42:51+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2011-08-01 10:55:33+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: good morning sir ! 2011-08-01 10:56:05+0000 <arbrandes> hi dachary! :) Good morning, how's it going? 2011-08-01 10:56:28+0000 <dachary> good, thank you. how is the beach ? 2011-08-01 10:57:43+0000 <arbrandes> Hehehehe, haven't been to the beach in a while, but I can tell you I miss it and plan on going back. ;) 2011-08-01 10:58:37+0000 <arbrandes> How's Berlin, btw? Is it as nice as people say? 2011-08-01 11:52:47+0000 <antoviaque> hi arbrandes : ) 2011-08-01 11:53:04+0000 <blanchard1> hello :) 2011-08-01 11:53:31+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque-the-man, morning! blanchard, hi there, and a late happy birthday! (found out about it from the chat log ;) 2011-08-01 11:53:41+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-08-01 11:53:44+0000 <blanchard1> thanks :p 2011-08-01 11:54:00+0000 <antoviaque> well, antoviaque-the-man is really stuck with the unit tests :p 2011-08-01 11:55:04+0000 <arbrandes> hahahha, antoviaque, aren't we all? :) 2011-08-01 11:55:08+0000 <antoviaque> hehehe 2011-08-01 11:55:26+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, is it a weird symptom like stuff hanging? 2011-08-01 11:55:36+0000 <antoviaque> we discussed it quickly this morning with mtyaka, but there seem to be side-effects of other tests that creates a big mess, and I admit it's a bit over my head :) 2011-08-01 11:55:37+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-08-01 11:56:05+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, a dirty trick I came up with is to mock all animation-specific functions, so that they do not run asynchronously 2011-08-01 11:56:10+0000 <arbrandes> this usually fixes hanging 2011-08-01 11:56:38+0000 <arbrandes> You might want to pull my master branch to take a look at my latest change in that direction 2011-08-01 11:56:44+0000 <mtyaka> hey arbrandes! 2011-08-01 11:56:48+0000 <antoviaque> yep, I've tried to merge your changes with mtyaka's commit from saturday, using your technique, but I just got more confused : ) 2011-08-01 11:57:08+0000 <arbrandes> hey mtyaka ! :) 2011-08-01 11:57:30+0000 <mtyaka> i was trying to figure out the weird behaviour of tests... 2011-08-01 11:58:03+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, usually the problem is that animation runs on a different "thread", but the tests expect stuff to be ready immediately (because previously, they were). 2011-08-01 11:58:25+0000 <mtyaka> arbrandes: i noticed you "clean up" the state at the end of the test (like return the element to its original position after it has been animated) 2011-08-01 11:58:37+0000 <arbrandes> mtyaka, that's another dirty trick, hehehe 2011-08-01 11:59:02+0000 <arbrandes> otherwise sometimes you'd have to change *many* tests to conform, instead of just one 2011-08-01 11:59:25+0000 <mtyaka> i *think* qunit should reset the state of the DOM before every test, so i would think that wouldn't be necessary... but i am not sure. were you seeing problems if you didn't do that? 2011-08-01 11:59:25+0000 <arbrandes> Plus, that's what my dad taught me: "after using something, always leave it the way you found it", lol 2011-08-01 11:59:56+0000 <mtyaka> well.. not the DOM exactly, but at #qunit-fixture div 2011-08-01 12:00:01+0000 <arbrandes> mtyaka, I wasn't sure either, so that's something we might want to confirm 2011-08-01 12:00:04+0000 <mtyaka> s/at/the/ 2011-08-01 12:00:28+0000 <tartarugafeliz> is it meeting time already?! 2011-08-01 12:00:44+0000 <arbrandes> hey tartarugafeliz ! Yup 2011-08-01 12:00:49+0000 <arbrandes> eve_, start dailymeeting 2011-08-01 12:00:49+0000 * eve antoviaque arbrandes blanchard blanchard1 dachary mtyaka tartarugafeliz and al: daily meeting starts! Please say "eve_: yesterday|today|blockers <your report>" 2011-08-01 12:00:50+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hello! :) 2011-08-01 12:00:57+0000 <mtyaka> hi tartarugafeliz 2011-08-01 12:01:03+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hi mtyaka! 2011-08-01 12:01:09+0000 <arbrandes> Who wants to start? 2011-08-01 12:01:13+0000 <tartarugafeliz> me 2011-08-01 12:01:22+0000 <tartarugafeliz> because I prepared in advance! :P 2011-08-01 12:01:24+0000 <tartarugafeliz> seeee?? 2011-08-01 12:01:32+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve_: friday I worked on #267 and #269 2011-08-01 12:01:32+0000 <eve> tartarugafeliz: Huh? 2011-08-01 12:01:32+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve_: today I'll work on #270 and I would like to know if anyone needs anything from me, and where you guys are right now 2011-08-01 12:01:32+0000 <eve> Next: I'll work on #270 and I would like to know if anyone needs anything from me, and where you guys are right now 2011-08-01 12:01:32+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve_: no blocker 2011-08-01 12:01:32+0000 <eve> tartarugafeliz: What? 2011-08-01 12:02:20+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve_: yesterday I worked on #267 and #269 2011-08-01 12:02:20+0000 <eve> Done: I worked on #267 and #269 2011-08-01 12:02:36+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve_: blocker none 2011-08-01 12:02:36+0000 <eve> tartarugafeliz: *blink* 2011-08-01 12:02:47+0000 <tartarugafeliz> damn you eve_ 2011-08-01 12:02:50+0000 <arbrandes> hahahhahah 2011-08-01 12:02:55+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve_: blockers none 2011-08-01 12:02:55+0000 <eve> Blockers: none 2011-08-01 12:03:13+0000 * arbrandes looking at tartarugafeliz's tasks 2011-08-01 12:03:56+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, thanks for preparing your notes beforehand. :) 2011-08-01 12:04:08+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes, it didn't help anyway it was all wrong ahahahha 2011-08-01 12:04:09+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: for your question, on my side I'm good : ) 2011-08-01 12:04:19+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok 2011-08-01 12:04:20+0000 <arbrandes> I have a question regarding all that animation, though, and this one goes to mtyaka and antoviaque too 2011-08-01 12:04:24+0000 <tartarugafeliz> what are you guys working on? 2011-08-01 12:04:27+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok 2011-08-01 12:04:46+0000 <arbrandes> Are we going to be able to animate rotating cards? mtyaka? 2011-08-01 12:05:30+0000 <mtyaka> uf, that's going to be a tough one 2011-08-01 12:05:49+0000 <arbrandes> I did some preliminary research, and it seems this is possible with CSS3, but, naturally, not with IE8 2011-08-01 12:05:53+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I was thinking about providing a sequence png with the most complicated animations for you guys to integrate 2011-08-01 12:05:56+0000 <tartarugafeliz> do you think its better? 2011-08-01 12:06:03+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: mtyaka: I was thinking this should probably simply be an animated png 2011-08-01 12:06:09+0000 <mtyaka> arbrandes: right, i'm not even sure about IE9 2011-08-01 12:06:13+0000 <tartarugafeliz> rara! 2011-08-01 12:06:20+0000 <antoviaque> there is no need to redo it in CSS imho 2011-08-01 12:06:27+0000 <tartarugafeliz> iyho 2011-08-01 12:06:49+0000 <mtyaka> if an animated png would work, that'd be a good solution 2011-08-01 12:06:51+0000 <antoviaque> since it will always be the same thing 2011-08-01 12:07:02+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, you mean this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APNG 2011-08-01 12:07:23+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: nope, since it's not well supported 2011-08-01 12:07:27+0000 <antoviaque> more the sprite approach 2011-08-01 12:07:37+0000 * mtyaka goes to watch the video again to know what rotation we are talking about... 2011-08-01 12:07:46+0000 <blanchard1> this is not a daily scrum :D 2011-08-01 12:07:59+0000 <arbrandes> hahahah, yeah, sorry, let's talk about this when we get there 2011-08-01 12:07:59+0000 <antoviaque> a big png image containing all the frames, and JS showing one after the other 2011-08-01 12:08:04+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard1 ahahahah 2011-08-01 12:08:10+0000 <antoviaque> yup ;p 2011-08-01 12:08:15+0000 <blanchard1> :) 2011-08-01 12:08:27+0000 <arbrandes> Ok, antoviaque, want to go next? 2011-08-01 12:08:31+0000 <antoviaque> sure 2011-08-01 12:08:33+0000 <tartarugafeliz> wait! 2011-08-01 12:08:40+0000 <tartarugafeliz> nobody is being blocked by me? 2011-08-01 12:08:45+0000 <antoviaque> not me 2011-08-01 12:08:55+0000 <blanchard1> nope :) 2011-08-01 12:09:03+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, not me (not yet, anyway :) 2011-08-01 12:09:20+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok then and about you mtyaka? 2011-08-01 12:09:51+0000 <mtyaka> tartarugafeliz: nope 2011-08-01 12:10:02+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok good. go ahead antoviaque 2011-08-01 12:10:07+0000 <antoviaque> eve_: yesterday proofread lulis' text for the homepage and discussed the approach, worked on #274 (done for the feature, but not the tests), discussed plebia with blanchard 2011-08-01 12:10:07+0000 <eve> Done: proofread lulis' text for the homepage and discussed the approach, worked on #274 (done for the feature, but not the tests), discussed plebia with blanchard 2011-08-01 12:10:08+0000 <antoviaque> eve_: today try to finish the tests on #274 (if we can solve the tests issue), and do my monthly review 2011-08-01 12:10:08+0000 <eve> Next: try to finish the tests on #274 (if we can solve the tests issue), and do my monthly review 2011-08-01 12:10:08+0000 <antoviaque> eve_: blockers the tests ;p 2011-08-01 12:10:08+0000 <eve> Blockers: the tests ;p 2011-08-01 12:10:37+0000 <arbrandes> I'll try to help with the tests, antoviaque 2011-08-01 12:10:45+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: thx : ) 2011-08-01 12:11:03+0000 <mtyaka> i'll go next... 2011-08-01 12:11:04+0000 <antoviaque> Btw, I'll look at this during my monthly review today, but I will probably start dedicating more time to Plebia to really research the concept and see where it can go (lawyer side, development, etc.) 2011-08-01 12:11:05+0000 <mtyaka> eve_: yesterday I finished #272 2011-08-01 12:11:05+0000 <eve> Done: I finished #272 2011-08-01 12:11:11+0000 <mtyaka> eve_: today I finished #276 2011-08-01 12:11:11+0000 <eve> Next: I finished #276 2011-08-01 12:11:15+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, maybe you can commit the feature, so I can look at the tests simultaneously? 2011-08-01 12:11:15+0000 <mtyaka> eve_: blockers I'm out of tasks. 2011-08-01 12:11:15+0000 <eve> Blockers: I'm out of tasks 2011-08-01 12:11:30+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: yup, I'll do that after the meeting 2011-08-01 12:11:31+0000 <arbrandes> mtyaka, you're done with 276, then? 2011-08-01 12:11:35+0000 <antoviaque> thx for the offer 2011-08-01 12:12:09+0000 <mtyaka> arbrandes: yes, i think so. the tests now pass in FF 3.6 on windows 2011-08-01 12:12:53+0000 <arbrandes> cool, I see old FF doesn't show CSS values if they're hidden. Too bad... 2011-08-01 12:13:08+0000 <arbrandes> Ok, now me: 2011-08-01 12:13:13+0000 <arbrandes> eve_: yesterday finished behavior of the "this game is about creativity" modal box (had a couple of fights with IE, obviously), implemented new card confirmation popup (#278), updated card deck to use tartaruga's slices (#241), fixed setup.py to install the new webfonts (#277), and finally, took stock of the current sprint to try and find out why we were so far off the mark with the bananas. 2011-08-01 12:13:13+0000 <eve> Done: finished behavior of the "this game is about creativity" modal box (had a couple of fights with IE, obviously), implemented new card confirmation popup (#278), updated card deck to use tartaruga's slices (#241), fixed setup.py to install the new webfonts (#277), and finally, took stock of the current sprint to try and find out why we were so far off the mark with the bananas 2011-08-01 12:13:23+0000 <arbrandes> eve_: today sprint review, organize next one, create some tasks, and maybe take one or two. 2011-08-01 12:13:23+0000 <eve> Next: sprint review, organize next one, create some tasks, and maybe take one or two 2011-08-01 12:13:28+0000 <arbrandes> eve_: blockers none. 2011-08-01 12:13:28+0000 <eve> Blockers: none 2011-08-01 12:13:41+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard1, wanna go? 2011-08-01 12:13:43+0000 <blanchard1> yep 2011-08-01 12:13:46+0000 <blanchard1> eve_: yesterday birthday, drink and no work :) 2011-08-01 12:13:46+0000 <eve> Done: birthday, drink and no work :) 2011-08-01 12:13:53+0000 <arbrandes> hahahahahah 2011-08-01 12:13:54+0000 <blanchard1> eve_: today : cash forecast and some legal work (for Deb and Loic, working on documents for shares as co-founders) 2011-08-01 12:13:54+0000 <eve> Next: : cash forecast and some legal work (for Deb and Loic, working on documents for shares as co-founders) 2011-08-01 12:13:55+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahahah 2011-08-01 12:14:02+0000 <blanchard1> (I have some other stuff to do this week but I'd like to work on a code task or two next week) 2011-08-01 12:14:09+0000 <blanchard1> eve_: blockers : none 2011-08-01 12:14:09+0000 <eve> Blockers: : none 2011-08-01 12:14:21+0000 <blanchard1> done :) 2011-08-01 12:14:21+0000 <mtyaka> happy birthday, blanchard! :) 2011-08-01 12:14:25+0000 <blanchard1> thanks :) 2011-08-01 12:14:44+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, got anything to add? 2011-08-01 12:16:57+0000 <arbrandes> Hmm, probably away 2011-08-01 12:17:48+0000 <arbrandes> while we wait, antoviaque, we need to schedule a sprint review, ideally today. Is that possible? 2011-08-01 12:18:22+0000 <antoviaque> yup - we could actually do them at the end of the daily meeting every two Mondays? 2011-08-01 12:18:29+0000 <antoviaque> for today I'll need to eat first : ) 2011-08-01 12:18:35+0000 <antoviaque> but this could be the easiest 2011-08-01 12:18:41+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, that sounds good to me :) 2011-08-01 12:18:42+0000 <antoviaque> or actually tuesdays, to have dachary around 2011-08-01 12:18:56+0000 <arbrandes> ah, yes, Tuesday would be best, then 2011-08-01 12:19:18+0000 <arbrandes> Good, so we have another day to try and eat some more bananas :) 2011-08-01 12:19:34+0000 <arbrandes> eve_, end dailymeeting 2011-08-01 12:19:35+0000 <eve> Meeting Ended 2011-08-01 12:19:35+0000 <eve> Minutes available at http://paste.pocoo.org/show/450469 2011-08-01 12:19:37+0000 <blanchard1> this is regarding the end of sprint meeting ? Should the meeting that starts a new sprint happen right after ? 2011-08-01 12:19:38+0000 <antoviaque> hehe : ) 2011-08-01 12:19:48+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard1 yep 2011-08-01 12:19:51+0000 <blanchard1> or is there one meeting that covers both 2011-08-01 12:19:54+0000 <blanchard1> ok 2011-08-01 12:20:09+0000 <antoviaque> at least I think it's easier 2011-08-01 12:20:17+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard1, it's actually two meetings, but it's easiest to do them one after the other when everyone's available 2011-08-01 12:20:30+0000 <blanchard1> ok :) 2011-08-01 12:25:04+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard1, regarding your latest posts on buddypress about burn rate, I'd like to feel useful in that area, too. As I've told antoviaque in my 121, I'd really love to continue working with Farsides for many years. :) In other words, is there anything specific I can do to help in that regard? Should I try to speed up CS development, put more (or less) time into scrum, try to find some investors around here, anything? 2011-08-01 12:25:45+0000 <blanchard1> arbrandes: thanks a lot :) Me too, I'd like to see you work with Farsides for many years :) 2011-08-01 12:26:03+0000 <blanchard1> I think you're already doing a lot 2011-08-01 12:26:44+0000 <blanchard1> But we can definitely discuss at the end of the month on all possible ways to raise funds or find some ways to bring revenues as quick as possible 2011-08-01 12:26:58+0000 <blanchard1> I'd be happy to discuss it with you then 2011-08-01 12:27:44+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and I would like to talk about the presentation too, for the investors 2011-08-01 12:28:20+0000 <tartarugafeliz> in 8 days we're going to meet a possible investor and I think we should discuss about a very good presentation, I have some ideas blanchard1 2011-08-01 12:28:31+0000 <arbrandes> Ok, I'll be happy to help with anything I can. 2011-08-01 12:28:39+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :) 2011-08-01 12:29:03+0000 <blanchard1> unless of course arbrandes if you want to discuss it earlier I'll be glad (but given your work already on CS and scrum, it's up to you according to your current workload :)) 2011-08-01 12:29:34+0000 <antoviaque> yup, I think it would be good to discuss this all together, since we're all in the same boat at the end, and it's likely to be the next big danger for Farsides 2011-08-01 12:29:57+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard1 what's best for you to have this discussion? a meeting? a discussion on buddypress? 2011-08-01 12:30:53+0000 <blanchard1> we can start on buddypress (I'll upload the burnrate document this afternoon) and then schedule something on the chat if there's a need what do you think ? 2011-08-01 12:31:07+0000 <antoviaque> sounds good to me 2011-08-01 12:31:24+0000 <tartarugafeliz> me too 2011-08-01 12:31:40+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard1, well, for instance, one thing I suggest is to set a specific date for delivery of the new version of CS. Sort of like a make-or-break date, so that we're all focused on delivery. What I can offer in that direction is volunteered work: for instance, if I read my 160-hour quota before the end of the month, I'll donate the rest so we can make the deadline. 2011-08-01 12:31:41+0000 <antoviaque> aside from the updates you regularly post on the buddypress, is there a recap of the current actions, contacts, help needed, etc? 2011-08-01 12:32:00+0000 <arbrandes> *if I reach 2011-08-01 12:32:35+0000 <arbrandes> Ah, ok, let's schedule the discussion for later, then 2011-08-01 12:33:31+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: that's really nice of you - thanks a lot for this 2011-08-01 12:33:35+0000 <blanchard1> arbrandes: I appreciate that ! 2011-08-01 12:34:04+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :) 2011-08-01 12:34:42+0000 <blanchard1> arbrandes: this can be an ongoing discussion starting now actually. I'll post an update of the status (as antoviaque was suggesting) on buddypress and from there we can discuss all possible ways 2011-08-01 12:35:19+0000 <blanchard1> This being said, it's true that the reality check will happen when we have the new version of CS and see how players react (finger crossed) 2011-08-01 12:36:15+0000 <arbrandes> Yeah, and I guess an improved version of CS will also bring more investors, and the sooner we get it out, the better. One way or another! :) 2011-08-01 12:38:01+0000 <blanchard1> yeah :) The usual feeback i get from investors is 'bring me a version of CS with some first metrics (not monetization but number of players & growth) and a great look and then we'll discuss for real' 2011-08-01 12:38:35+0000 <blanchard1> so i was thinking to push them as hard as i can in september once they're back from holidays and we have the new version 2011-08-01 12:39:50+0000 <arbrandes> Alrighty then, let's get to work! :) 2011-08-01 12:58:49+0000 <antoviaque> lunch - bbl 2011-08-01 13:46:43+0000 <antoviaque> re 2011-08-01 14:10:55+0000 blanchard1 (blanchard1) is now online 2011-08-01 14:56:52+0000 mtyaka (mtyaka) is now online 2011-08-01 15:16:17+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard1: if you want to install sparkleshare, cf discussion with adolfo: http://forum.farsides.com/index.php?t=msg&goto=49486&&srch=sparkleshare#msg_49486 2011-08-01 15:17:07+0000 <blanchard1> thanks 2011-08-01 15:18:47+0000 <blanchard1> ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAADAQABAAABAQC/RHjAGZX2x63nRZY0GILSsD8vR1Dz1VgxPzIh+RhVw+vx5s08Q7sOTRVgoD3NK0GSf7aufR88Bf0jzgqTVjYxh6RK8PY+uZYE2VpEwyYXn0e5PF6dIRe4EO4vmHiGhhIOPG9SLgaMEjq9EQQqj9LlMVIrsRxlYeBrZvOiUuTd3tM2Abjq1dUX1lqc7/ffj/Qaj6laYH9eYpd5qWlZWy5AI9L8TvcgfuQVSLyAQqAENRMMPbzz3WuL2TkqvGAoSg8EtYRNcKkvtRECTqjdzlc35HW6Loly3DtN0O5eqCV0i2qywG59lPb7d7ogzoydDex1GTSfOVdRRzFA+a9+LRct david@david-laptop 2011-08-01 15:18:54+0000 <blanchard1> antoviaque: ^ 2011-08-01 15:19:00+0000 <blanchard1> public key sparkleshare 2011-08-01 15:19:14+0000 <antoviaque> adding it 2011-08-01 15:21:44+0000 <blanchard1> hmmm it gives me a something went wrong 2011-08-01 15:21:57+0000 <antoviaque> not done yet : ) 2011-08-01 15:22:02+0000 <blanchard1> ah ok :) 2011-08-01 15:23:36+0000 <arbrandes> bbl, quick trip to the bank 2011-08-01 15:23:44+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: good luck : ) 2011-08-01 15:30:03+0000 blanchard1 (blanchard1) is now offline 2011-08-01 15:33:35+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: should be ok (there was an issue with gitosis authorized_keys file generation) 2011-08-01 15:33:44+0000 <antoviaque> if you can't connect let me know 2011-08-01 16:10:37+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: trying again from home 2011-08-01 16:10:52+0000 <blanchard> can i ask you to add my key please :p 2011-08-01 16:10:54+0000 <blanchard> ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAADAQABAAABAQCs44d7mVvJYuNAk1e4hePCbPZMViqltwJzepgTMA/EpbYqiJ6sqPiKdXz5CjR94Wx/+RIsvCMemsZQQM8injUvnV94NlrWlgqjvydFBFkl31guMGw9FrRYXnY1yE4bjHRx1og5CYAECZjhLEwLr/67azoMC05p6wzgyijmbhGs6ejlLJkmNpzD8aEhHxS7NhEWOCy5lDiakim4ftN9nom61eSX6oTetl4vWJI7EHBA6iz0LzmITM6RvSoiLettkAHdQC5xBmjYW65fQrfr4uId9NXqhK7UMusk3JX9Xs1YSCvw1wD75IDXJuX/eir43jT41lfxs32ww6JxSEyxm8aN david@david-WE279AA-ABF-p6361fr 2011-08-01 16:11:09+0000 <antoviaque> ahahah, ok : ) 2011-08-01 16:11:16+0000 <blanchard> thx :D 2011-08-01 16:15:35+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: try : ) 2011-08-01 16:15:43+0000 * antoviaque caught another bug 2011-08-01 16:18:30+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: i think something is happening but it's not visible 2011-08-01 16:18:33+0000 <blanchard> in .tmp 2011-08-01 16:18:45+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: tried to run sparkleshare from the terminal? 2011-08-01 16:18:54+0000 <blanchard> nope :( 2011-08-01 16:19:01+0000 <antoviaque> you'll get the log : ) 2011-08-01 16:19:05+0000 <blanchard> it's never my first move 2011-08-01 16:19:19+0000 <blanchard> i'm too used to windows :( 2011-08-01 16:19:23+0000 <antoviaque> hehe ;p 2011-08-01 16:21:41+0000 ShadowBlackfire (ShadowBlackfire) is now online 2011-08-01 16:29:56+0000 <mtyaka> arbrandes, antoviaque: Is there anything you'd like me to work on tomorrow? 2011-08-01 16:30:43+0000 <arbrandes> back 2011-08-01 16:31:32+0000 <arbrandes> mtyaka, I'll create some tasks for story #197 now, I'm sure there's at least one in there with your name on it :) 2011-08-01 16:31:41+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: maybe beginning of http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/197 ? 2011-08-01 16:33:13+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: sorry, didn't see your message before hitting enter : ) 2011-08-01 16:33:39+0000 <arbrandes> hehehe, cool 2011-08-01 16:34:11+0000 <arbrandes> Whoa, there was a "ShadowBlackfire" nick in here just now? How evil! Heheheh.. 2011-08-01 16:39:32+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-08-01 16:40:08+0000 <mtyaka> haha, just saw the video for 2bto3 - that's going to be fun! 2011-08-01 16:40:59+0000 <arbrandes> Lemme look 2011-08-01 16:41:54+0000 <arbrandes> hahaha, yeah, that's the one I was talking about, with the rotation *and* motion blur, heheheh 2011-08-01 16:42:04+0000 <mtyaka> :) 2011-08-01 16:45:08+0000 <antoviaque> re (crash) 2011-08-01 16:45:40+0000 <mtyaka> arbrandes: i'll be going to sleep now. if you find any task for me, that'd be great, if not, nevermind, we'll discuss it tomorrow. Have a nice day! 2011-08-01 16:45:56+0000 <mtyaka> bye all 2011-08-01 16:46:04+0000 <arbrandes> bye dude! 2011-08-01 17:19:30+0000 dachary1 (dachary1) is now online 2011-08-01 17:22:01+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: if your offer to have a look at why those *$#*#% tests fail still stands, I gladly take it : ) 2011-08-01 17:22:13+0000 <antoviaque> I've pushed here: https://gitorious.org/~antoviaque/cardstories/antoviaques-cardstories/commit/0b5f78e8b2408d0ac3ac3bad1d7d1219089eb354 2011-08-01 17:23:09+0000 <arbrandes> hahahaha, sure, where should I look? 2011-08-01 17:23:09+0000 <arbrandes> ok 2011-08-01 17:23:18+0000 <antoviaque> thanks : ) 2011-08-01 17:24:28+0000 <antoviaque> please don't feel obliged to spend a lot of time on it - a hint or two that would be more than enough already! : ) 2011-08-01 17:25:05+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, lemme first see if I have any contribution to make, most of the time I'm still in the dark with these tests, hehehe 2011-08-01 17:25:25+0000 <antoviaque> ahaha : ) 2011-08-01 17:26:10+0000 <antoviaque> no worries - as I said, it's my mess, so if nothing jumps to your eyes I'll keep looking : ) 2011-08-01 17:26:55+0000 <antoviaque> if you want to see where it gets stuck: http://cardstories.antoviaque.org:8000/static/test/index.html 2011-08-01 17:27:03+0000 <antoviaque> (display_or_select_cards select) 2011-08-01 17:27:26+0000 <arbrandes> ahh, the nefarious display_or_select_cards, I got stuck there a couple of times already, hehehe 2011-08-01 17:27:48+0000 <antoviaque> I was hoping you would say that : ) 2011-08-01 17:29:51+0000 <antoviaque> and I think mtyaka was stuck at the same place too, if I remember my attempts at merging his code into your this morning : ) 2011-08-01 17:30:02+0000 <arbrandes> Ok, so we got a new animate_center_picked_card()... (just thinking out loud) 2011-08-01 17:30:09+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-08-01 17:30:12+0000 <antoviaque> which runs 2011-08-01 17:30:19+0000 <antoviaque> uses the same place in the DOM 2011-08-01 17:31:07+0000 <antoviaque> I also use your approach for the placeholders animation methods in setup() 2011-08-01 17:31:53+0000 <arbrandes> yup, so far so good, lemme try running the stuff now 2011-08-01 17:32:08+0000 <antoviaque> (it's base on a merge from your code only, couldn't get to fix the conflicts correctly for the tests) 2011-08-01 17:32:28+0000 <antoviaque> ...conflicts with mtyaka's codebase correctly... 2011-08-01 17:32:58+0000 <arbrandes> yup, gets stuck on select 2011-08-01 17:56:28+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-08-01 18:00:43+0000 <arbrandes> Ok, I have the first clue 2011-08-01 18:00:49+0000 <antoviaque> ohhh : ) 2011-08-01 18:01:00+0000 <arbrandes> (Just a clue) 2011-08-01 18:01:22+0000 <arbrandes> If we comment out the new test, the display_select one runs fine 2011-08-01 18:01:31+0000 <arbrandes> So it's something that's not being properly reset, it seems 2011-08-01 18:01:57+0000 * arbrandes continues digging 2011-08-01 18:02:41+0000 <antoviaque> yep - maybe jqdock itself? 2011-08-01 18:02:50+0000 <arbrandes> yeah, that's what I was thinking 2011-08-01 18:03:23+0000 * antoviaque looking again 2011-08-01 18:03:56+0000 <arbrandes> Heh, if you put your test at the end, IT hangs, lol 2011-08-01 18:04:18+0000 <antoviaque> that advocates for this theory yep : ) 2011-08-01 18:04:41+0000 <arbrandes> it's probably the "onReady" function that's not being called the second time, who knows why 2011-08-01 18:05:14+0000 <antoviaque> I think the onReady is called, it's the select which isn't 2011-08-01 18:05:38+0000 <antoviaque> at least with my test first 2011-08-01 18:13:43+0000 <antoviaque> the weird part is that I don't see any more cleanup in "display_or_select_cards select" vs "display_or_select_cards select no bg" 2011-08-01 18:13:55+0000 <arbrandes> that's exactly what I was looking at 2011-08-01 18:13:57+0000 <arbrandes> hehehe 2011-08-01 18:13:59+0000 <antoviaque> ;p 2011-08-01 18:14:23+0000 <antoviaque> maybe something that I do in the new method then 2011-08-01 18:16:25+0000 <arbrandes> fixed, lol 2011-08-01 18:16:29+0000 <arbrandes> it's the "id" parameter 2011-08-01 18:16:41+0000 <arbrandes> the first parameter do display_select_card 2011-08-01 18:16:45+0000 <arbrandes> it's gotta change between tests 2011-08-01 18:16:55+0000 <arbrandes> apparently you can use anything 2011-08-01 18:17:10+0000 <antoviaque> ohhh 2011-08-01 18:17:13+0000 <antoviaque> well spotted 2011-08-01 18:17:33+0000 <arbrandes> display_or_select_cards('delicious parameter', ...) will work 2011-08-01 18:17:42+0000 <arbrandes> don't ask me why, though, lol 2011-08-01 18:18:17+0000 <antoviaque> yeyyyyy, it runs! 2011-08-01 18:18:22+0000 <antoviaque> thanks so much arbrandes :D 2011-08-01 18:18:30+0000 <arbrandes> no problemo 2011-08-01 18:18:31+0000 <arbrandes> :) 2011-08-01 18:18:38+0000 * antoviaque now trying to understand why 2011-08-01 18:18:56+0000 <arbrandes> if you understand, please explain it to me, heheheh 2011-08-01 18:19:14+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: please add an hour to one of your tasks btw, it wasn't an easy support : ) 2011-08-01 18:20:02+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, eh, this one's on the house, I was just creating tasks. 2011-08-01 18:20:38+0000 <antoviaque> ;p two times thanks, then : ) 2011-08-01 18:21:26+0000 <arbrandes> ;) 2011-08-01 18:21:49+0000 <arbrandes> I think this[id] is persistent 2011-08-01 18:21:56+0000 <arbrandes> that's why we were having problems 2011-08-01 18:21:58+0000 <antoviaque> yep 2011-08-01 18:29:47+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: can I amend the commit or did you merge it to your master? 2011-08-01 18:30:13+0000 <arbrandes> amend it, I just fetched your stuff 2011-08-01 18:30:18+0000 <antoviaque> ok - thx 2011-08-01 18:38:38+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: btw for the review of the user stories for tomorrow - what I was able to see today seemed really good : ) I think I'll wait for them to be merged/integrated to mark the user stories as merged, but this raises the possibility of discovering a bug/issue *after* the review meeting. 2011-08-01 18:38:54+0000 <arbrandes> sure, sounds good 2011-08-01 18:39:03+0000 <antoviaque> from what I've seen if there is something like that it should be small though 2011-08-01 18:39:52+0000 <arbrandes> hopefully :) 2011-08-01 18:39:56+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-08-01 18:40:06+0000 <arbrandes> Ok, so, http://www.spritely.net/ for animating #197? 2011-08-01 18:40:35+0000 <arbrandes> Seems to be a neat plugin that will do the job 2011-08-01 18:40:56+0000 <antoviaque> seems good 2011-08-01 18:41:03+0000 <antoviaque> let me check what we used for HPO 2011-08-01 18:41:33+0000 <arbrandes> Ah, HPO already has sprite animation? cool 2011-08-01 18:41:38+0000 * antoviaque is a fan of gamequery :) 2011-08-01 18:41:51+0000 <antoviaque> but here would be overkill (and dachary would kill us ;p) 2011-08-01 18:42:03+0000 <arbrandes> had never heard of it, looks awesome :) 2011-08-01 18:42:38+0000 <antoviaque> it is, for minigames it makes life much easier :D 2011-08-01 18:43:46+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now offline 2011-08-01 18:43:53+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2011-08-01 18:46:36+0000 <antoviaque> ah true, for HPO we dropped it since at the end the only place we needed it was the screen controlled by gamequery 2011-08-01 18:46:53+0000 <antoviaque> spritely seems good here : ) 2011-08-01 18:47:29+0000 <arbrandes> I'm running 2bto3.mp4 over and over 2011-08-01 18:48:10+0000 <arbrandes> The easiest way would be to have one big png-sequence with everything in it, but I don't know if that'll be too resource intensive. 2011-08-01 18:48:32+0000 * antoviaque looking 2011-08-01 18:48:42+0000 <arbrandes> I don't know if one png-sequence per card is doable either, cpu-wise 2011-08-01 18:49:30+0000 <antoviaque> could be one big png sequence yep 2011-08-01 18:49:42+0000 <antoviaque> but it will need to stop/resume with the players coming in 2011-08-01 18:49:55+0000 <antoviaque> not used spritely so not sure if it's handy 2011-08-01 18:50:33+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I don't know what it's about but ... I'm in the mood for a kill :-P 2011-08-01 18:50:33+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: one per card would be overkill I think - could be one per player joining 2011-08-01 18:50:41+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: ahahaha 2011-08-01 18:50:56+0000 <arbrandes> hahahaha, hey dachary 2011-08-01 18:51:04+0000 * antoviaque putting back gamequery in its box very slowly, to not attract dachary's attention :p 2011-08-01 18:51:08+0000 <arbrandes> lol 2011-08-01 18:52:05+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, when a player joins the animation will be played, is that it? 2011-08-01 18:52:14+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-08-01 18:52:32+0000 <arbrandes> so yeah, it makes sense to have one per player, or per slot. Not sure what the limitations will be yet. 2011-08-01 18:53:20+0000 <arbrandes> yeah, definitely one png-sequence per slot, they all rotate in different ways 2011-08-01 22:13:20+0000 <blanchard> arbrandes: still around ? 2011-08-01 22:13:27+0000 <arbrandes> yup! 2011-08-01 22:13:32+0000 <blanchard> hey :) 2011-08-01 22:13:38+0000 <dachary> yup 2011-08-01 22:13:50+0000 <blanchard> did you finally manage to have sparkleshare on your side ? 2011-08-01 22:13:55+0000 <blanchard> + work 2011-08-01 22:14:20+0000 <blanchard> on my side it's installing everything in .tmp and then stalling apparently 2011-08-01 22:15:02+0000 <arbrandes> go to sleep, it's past midnight! ;) No sparkles for me, just regular git pulling; I don't know why, but SparkleShare crashes immediately after downloading the git objects. 2011-08-01 22:15:15+0000 <blanchard> yeah me too 2011-08-01 22:15:28+0000 <blanchard> i 2011-08-01 22:15:33+0000 <arbrandes> Gave up after about 4 tries (and 10 gb) 2011-08-01 22:15:48+0000 <blanchard> i wanted to avoid do some git stuff but i guess i'll have to :p 2011-08-01 22:16:29+0000 <arbrandes> hehehhe, at least until they work out the bugs... I'm pretty sure this is a side effect of the size or depth of the repository 2011-08-01 23:37:18+0000 <blanchard> my sparkleshare does not crash, the log goes : 2011-08-01 23:37:20+0000 <blanchard> Receiving objects: 100% (8200/8200), 2.54 GiB | 799 KiB/s, done. 2011-08-01 23:37:20+0000 <blanchard> Resolving deltas: 100% (891/891), done. 2011-08-01 23:37:20+0000 <blanchard> [01:32:55][Git] Exit code 0 2011-08-01 23:37:20+0000 <blanchard> [01:32:55][Config] Added configuration to '/home/david/SparkleShare/.tmp/share/.git/config' 2011-08-01 23:37:20+0000 <blanchard> david@david-WE279AA-ABF-p6361fr:~/SparkleShare$ 2011-08-01 23:37:20+0000 <blanchard> [01:32:55][Git][/home/david/SparkleShare/.tmp/share] Repository cloned 2011-08-01 23:37:41+0000 <arbrandes> Nothing after that? 2011-08-01 23:37:46+0000 <blanchard> but then the .tmp is not copied to the sparkleshare directory, it stalls 2011-08-01 23:37:49+0000 <blanchard> nope 2011-08-01 23:38:06+0000 <arbrandes> What I get immediately after is a python traceback 2011-08-01 23:38:14+0000 <blanchard> i can't believe you're still here. You're always around arbrandes :p 2011-08-01 23:38:17+0000 <arbrandes> "unable to find path" something something 2011-08-01 23:38:20+0000 <arbrandes> hahahaha, blanchard 2011-08-01 23:38:38+0000 <arbrandes> not ALWAYS... sometimes I need to go to the bathroom, hehehe 2011-08-01 23:38:44+0000 <blanchard> hehe 2011-08-01 23:39:34+0000 <arbrandes> The symptom is the same as yours 2011-08-01 23:39:44+0000 <arbrandes> .tmp/share with the cloned repo 2011-08-01 23:40:03+0000 <arbrandes> If I restart SparkleShare, though, it starts all over again 2011-08-01 23:40:12+0000 <arbrandes> (downloading the repo, I mean) 2011-08-01 23:40:40+0000 <blanchard> yep me too 2011-08-01 23:40:50+0000 <blanchard> well 2011-08-01 23:40:54+0000 <blanchard> i'm off 2011-08-01 23:40:57+0000 <blanchard> 'night :) 2011-08-01 23:41:03+0000 <arbrandes> roger, g'night, blanchard _______________________________________________ Farsides mailing list - [email protected] Wiki: http://farsides.com/ List: http://farsides.com/ml/ Forum: http://farsides.com/forum/ Ideas: http://farsides.com/ideas/ Chat: http://farsides.com/chat/
