Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2011-09-08.
2011-09-08 00:46:01+0000 mtyaka (mtyaka) is now online 2011-09-08 06:54:23+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-09-08 07:40:26+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-09-08 08:48:36+0000 blanchard (blanchard) is now online 2011-09-08 08:48:51+0000 <blanchard> bonjour bonjour 2011-09-08 08:49:12+0000 <antoviaque> hi! 2011-09-08 09:20:19+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: tartarugafeliz hi ! internet is working at the office :) 2011-09-08 09:20:26+0000 mtyaka (mtyaka) is now online 2011-09-08 09:20:27+0000 <blanchard> i'll drop keys for you tomorrow 2011-09-08 09:20:42+0000 <blanchard> i'll start working there this week-end i think 2011-09-08 09:21:43+0000 <blanchard> i'll bring some beers, feel free to come help me finish them 2011-09-08 09:36:26+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: if you're around, I have a question for you regarding plebia 2011-09-08 09:36:45+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: ohhh, cool! 2011-09-08 09:37:04+0000 <blanchard> if we assume that acquisition of a paying customer is 10 cents, and 2% conversion, then acquisition is 0.2 cents 2011-09-08 09:37:07+0000 <blanchard> yey :) 2011-09-08 09:37:11+0000 <antoviaque> hey : ) 2011-09-08 09:37:28+0000 <blanchard> this is with assumption of 0 virality 2011-09-08 09:37:55+0000 <blanchard> I think we should assume some virality 2011-09-08 09:38:02+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-09-08 09:39:08+0000 <blanchard> then do you think we should assume 0.2 cents for acquisition + virality (like K=1) ? Or increase the acquisition cost ? 2011-09-08 09:39:27+0000 <blanchard> sorry not clear : 2011-09-08 09:39:36+0000 <blanchard> 0.2 cents for acquisition 2011-09-08 09:39:43+0000 <blanchard> and apart from that, virality 2011-09-08 09:39:57+0000 <blanchard> so overall acquisition cost would be lower 2011-09-08 09:40:21+0000 <blanchard> OR : we can increase acquisition cost so that it includes the viral factor 2011-09-08 09:40:31+0000 <antoviaque> maybe try with the most pessimistic (even maybe 10 cents/customer, and then 2% to get to paying) 2011-09-08 09:40:49+0000 <antoviaque> and with a good virality 2011-09-08 09:41:18+0000 <antoviaque> would probably be closest to the real world, and show the importance of virality 2011-09-08 09:41:26+0000 <blanchard> ok i'll try that ! 2011-09-08 09:41:31+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-09-08 09:41:33+0000 <antoviaque> thx! 2011-09-08 11:33:44+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: I've uploaded a first version of the ods plebia bp so we can start discussion 2011-09-08 11:33:46+0000 <blanchard> http://git.farsides.com/?a=tree&p=share&hb=HEAD&f=business/fund%20raising%20%26%20subsidy 2011-09-08 11:34:35+0000 <blanchard> I need to go to bank & CNC now - I won't make it for the 2pm meeting but I'll be back later in the afternoon 2011-09-08 11:36:02+0000 <antoviaque> hi, thanks! 2011-09-08 11:36:39+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: sure you can't be there for the meeting? would be good to be able to catch up with everyone 2011-09-08 11:37:50+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: you're right i can postpone cnc and bank 2011-09-08 11:38:01+0000 <antoviaque> thanks : ) 2011-09-08 11:38:11+0000 <blanchard> i was just eager to get rid of cnc but it's better to catch up :) 2011-09-08 11:38:36+0000 <antoviaque> especially because tomorrow it's Joana's wedding (so tartarugafeliz & myself won't be there for the meeting), so it's the only moment until next Monday 2011-09-08 11:38:47+0000 <blanchard> oki 2011-09-08 11:38:49+0000 <antoviaque> ahah, yep, I understand 2011-09-08 11:39:02+0000 <antoviaque> what does the CNC wants? 2011-09-08 11:39:20+0000 <blanchard> but tomorrow morning antoviaque i come to your place right ? 2011-09-08 11:41:06+0000 <blanchard> CNC basically wants a certified RIB. And a formal document that shows the forecast of foreign expenses (something like a "bon de commande", i'll discuss it with Matjaz and Adolfo) 2011-09-08 11:41:40+0000 <blanchard> not so good news is that I also learnt that the cnc jury will decide first week of november :/ 2011-09-08 11:41:54+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: yup for tomorrow morning (it's only at 1-2pm) - unless you want to go to the new office? :p 2011-09-08 11:42:39+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: ok - and for foreign expenses, they see this a something bad? 2011-09-08 11:43:09+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: new office better this week-end to avoid bad surprises tomorrow morning (i checked the freebox but not the actual pc being connected to internet yet :p) 2011-09-08 11:43:41+0000 <blanchard> for foreign expenses, no, as long as it's not too high. I think it's ok in our case 2011-09-08 11:44:17+0000 <antoviaque> ok 2011-09-08 11:57:42+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2011-09-08 12:02:10+0000 <blanchard> hi arbrandes :) 2011-09-08 12:02:17+0000 <antoviaque> eve: start dailymeeting 2011-09-08 12:02:17+0000 * eve antoviaque arbrandes blanchard blanchard1 dachary mtyaka tartarugafeliz and al: daily meeting starts! Please say "eve_: yesterday|today|blockers <your report>" 2011-09-08 12:02:21+0000 <antoviaque> hi all : ) 2011-09-08 12:02:25+0000 <arbrandes> hey blanchard! Long time no see! ;) 2011-09-08 12:02:31+0000 <blanchard> yey :) 2011-09-08 12:02:33+0000 <arbrandes> hey antoviaque :) 2011-09-08 12:02:41+0000 <antoviaque> hello arbrandes : ) 2011-09-08 12:02:50+0000 <antoviaque> I'll start today : ) 2011-09-08 12:02:54+0000 <mtyaka> hello :) 2011-09-08 12:03:00+0000 <arbrandes> roger that 2011-09-08 12:03:00+0000 <blanchard> hi mtyaka ! 2011-09-08 12:03:01+0000 <antoviaque> hi mtyaka! 2011-09-08 12:03:04+0000 <antoviaque> eve: yesterday Discussed Plebia BP & YC application with David, review of sprint, switching to OO on the JS client (was becoming too complex for functional there, too) 2011-09-08 12:03:05+0000 <eve> Done: Discussed Plebia BP & YC application with David, review of sprint, switching to OO on the JS client (was becoming too complex for functional there, too) 2011-09-08 12:03:05+0000 <antoviaque> eve: today End of sprint review (cf blockers), 121 mtyaka, continuing OO refactoring of Plebia client 2011-09-08 12:03:05+0000 <eve> Next: End of sprint review (cf blockers), 121 mtyaka, continuing OO refactoring of Plebia client 2011-09-08 12:03:05+0000 <antoviaque> eve: blockers Got a bit confused by the state of the game I've pulled this morning (internal server error when trying to join a game, missing animation before player pick a card, buggy screen upon reload...), not sure I've got the right version 2011-09-08 12:03:05+0000 <eve> Blockers: Got a bit confused by the state of the game I've pulled this morning (internal server error when trying to join a game, missing animation before player pick a card, buggy screen upon reload...), not sure I've got the right version 2011-09-08 12:03:30+0000 <antoviaque> ^ if we can discuss this last bit, would be helpful for me : ) 2011-09-08 12:03:44+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, sorry, this is my fault, I still need to merge stuff back 2011-09-08 12:03:56+0000 <antoviaque> ahhh, ok, I thought it was something like that 2011-09-08 12:04:00+0000 <arbrandes> eve, yesterday : Finally finished #387 (cards going back to hands), just need to merge it with mtyaka's work and my own master. 2011-09-08 12:04:00+0000 <eve> Done: : Finally finished #387 (cards going back to hands), just need to merge it with mtyaka's work and my own master 2011-09-08 12:04:01+0000 <arbrandes> eve, today : merge with mtyaka's master, take on more stories. 2011-09-08 12:04:01+0000 <eve> Next: : merge with mtyaka's master, take on more stories 2011-09-08 12:04:01+0000 <arbrandes> eve, blockers : None. 2011-09-08 12:04:01+0000 <eve> Blockers: : None 2011-09-08 12:04:12+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: np - let me know when I should pull 2011-09-08 12:04:21+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, roger, will do ASAP 2011-09-08 12:04:24+0000 <blanchard> i'll go 2011-09-08 12:04:25+0000 <antoviaque> thx! 2011-09-08 12:04:27+0000 <blanchard> eve_: yesterday feedback for Xav on plebia. Worked on plebia business plan 2011-09-08 12:04:27+0000 <blanchard> eve_: catch up with all unread mails, finalize cnc (they need an admin paper) 2011-09-08 12:04:27+0000 <blanchard> eve_: need to discuss with Deb on how to move forward with business plan for investors 2011-09-08 12:04:34+0000 <blanchard> oups 2011-09-08 12:04:48+0000 <antoviaque> hehe 2011-09-08 12:04:54+0000 <blanchard> eve: yesterday feedback for Xav on plebia. Worked on plebia business plan 2011-09-08 12:04:54+0000 <eve> Done: feedback for Xav on plebia. Worked on plebia business plan 2011-09-08 12:04:54+0000 <blanchard> eve: catch up with all unread mails, finalize cnc (they need an admin paper) 2011-09-08 12:04:54+0000 <eve> blanchard: *blink* 2011-09-08 12:04:54+0000 <blanchard> eve: need to discuss with Deb on how to move forward with business plan for investors 2011-09-08 12:04:54+0000 <eve> blanchard: Excuse me? 2011-09-08 12:05:00+0000 <blanchard> grah 2011-09-08 12:05:03+0000 <arbrandes> hhehehehehe 2011-09-08 12:05:03+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahah 2011-09-08 12:05:07+0000 <antoviaque> lost the habit :p 2011-09-08 12:05:07+0000 <blanchard> sorry guys 2011-09-08 12:05:12+0000 <blanchard> hard to come back :) 2011-09-08 12:05:40+0000 <arbrandes> np ;) 2011-09-08 12:06:00+0000 <tartarugafeliz> what do you mean how to move forward? :) 2011-09-08 12:06:17+0000 <blanchard> eve: let's see now 2011-09-08 12:06:17+0000 <eve> blanchard: Huh? 2011-09-08 12:06:18+0000 <blanchard> eve, yesterday : feedback for Xav on plebia. Worked on plebia business plan 2011-09-08 12:06:18+0000 <eve> Done: : feedback for Xav on plebia. Worked on plebia business plan 2011-09-08 12:06:25+0000 <blanchard> eve, today : catch up with all unread mails, finalize cnc (they need an admin paper) 2011-09-08 12:06:25+0000 <eve> Next: : catch up with all unread mails, finalize cnc (they need an admin paper) 2011-09-08 12:06:25+0000 <blanchard> eve, blockers : need to discuss with Deb on how to move forward with business plan for investors 2011-09-08 12:06:25+0000 <eve> Blockers: : need to discuss with Deb on how to move forward with business plan for investors 2011-09-08 12:06:28+0000 <blanchard> yipee 2011-09-08 12:06:33+0000 <arbrandes> yay! :) 2011-09-08 12:06:37+0000 <antoviaque> :p 2011-09-08 12:07:11+0000 <blanchard> tartarugafeliz: i just wanted to know where the indesign bp file is and if i can use it or if you're currently on it 2011-09-08 12:07:39+0000 <blanchard> and also discuss a bit with you about it - we can do this tomorrow morning if you want 2011-09-08 12:07:46+0000 <tartarugafeliz> its here http://git.farsides.com/?a=blob&p=share&h=bcae801b3f9c5681b98f4efd1d56bfc1947ccd32&n=businessplan.indd 2011-09-08 12:07:54+0000 <blanchard> cool thx tartarugafeliz :) 2011-09-08 12:08:04+0000 <tartarugafeliz> tomorrow morning I won't be able to, sorry⦠it can be on Sunday, is that ok? 2011-09-08 12:08:13+0000 <blanchard> sunday is fine 2011-09-08 12:08:22+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok :) 2011-09-08 12:08:25+0000 <antoviaque> yep, two things 2011-09-08 12:08:28+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve: yesterday I worked on #379 http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/379 2011-09-08 12:08:28+0000 <eve> Done: I worked on #379 http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/379 2011-09-08 12:08:28+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve: today and tomorrow I won't be able to work, I need to help a friend of mine. 2011-09-08 12:08:28+0000 <eve> Next: and tomorrow I won't be able to work, I need to help a friend of mine 2011-09-08 12:08:28+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve: blockers none 2011-09-08 12:08:28+0000 <eve> Blockers: none 2011-09-08 12:09:02+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz and & me will a wedding tomorrow afternoon (a friend of tartarugafeliz is getting married :) ), so we won't be able to attend the meeting tomorrow 2011-09-08 12:09:17+0000 <arbrandes> okeydoke 2011-09-08 12:09:19+0000 <blanchard> oki 2011-09-08 12:09:20+0000 <antoviaque> Also, to change a bit the setting, tartarugafeliz & me are going to work from Marseille for the next two weeks (we're going on Saturday) 2011-09-08 12:09:30+0000 <antoviaque> Paris is full of grey sky lately, time to get a bit of sun and get advantage of Farsides' model :p 2011-09-08 12:09:30+0000 <arbrandes> awesome!! :) 2011-09-08 12:09:36+0000 <blanchard> i'll be there (though i'm usually not on fridays :p) 2011-09-08 12:09:37+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeap 2011-09-08 12:09:48+0000 <blanchard> congratz friend of tartarugafeliz ! 2011-09-08 12:09:52+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahahah 2011-09-08 12:09:56+0000 <arbrandes> hehehehe, yep, congratz 2011-09-08 12:10:23+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: btw sorry I forgot about it when you mentioned the office for this week-end ;p 2011-09-08 12:10:31+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: no problem 2011-09-08 12:10:45+0000 <blanchard> it's cool, marseille is a great place 2011-09-08 12:10:51+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: we can still go tomorrow morning, even if there is a doubt on the internet connexion :) 2011-09-08 12:11:05+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I heard there's sun and beach is that true blanchard? :D 2011-09-08 12:11:19+0000 <antoviaque> it was actually cool to be there for Free the other day - at the end I like it blanchard :D 2011-09-08 12:11:35+0000 <blanchard> tartarugafeliz: beach, yes ! sun, in theory, yes :) 2011-09-08 12:11:50+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ahahahahha afterwards its still France, right? ahahaha 2011-09-08 12:11:55+0000 <antoviaque> ahahah 2011-09-08 12:11:57+0000 <blanchard> glad to hear this antoviaque :) 2011-09-08 12:12:03+0000 <blanchard> hahaha 2011-09-08 12:12:07+0000 <tartarugafeliz> do you have any pics of the new office blanchard? 2011-09-08 12:12:11+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'm so curious to see it 2011-09-08 12:12:16+0000 <blanchard> nope 2011-09-08 12:12:21+0000 <blanchard> I can take some tomorrow 2011-09-08 12:12:22+0000 <tartarugafeliz> Want to start thinking about the decoration :D 2011-09-08 12:12:25+0000 <blanchard> or this week end 2011-09-08 12:12:34+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahah 2011-09-08 12:12:37+0000 <blanchard> i'm sure you'll love the pink carpet :p 2011-09-08 12:12:46+0000 <arbrandes> Pick carpet?! hahahahaha 2011-09-08 12:12:49+0000 <arbrandes> *pink 2011-09-08 12:12:50+0000 * antoviaque thinks the office is going to get full of turtles 2011-09-08 12:12:52+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :D seriously? there's a pink carpet? hahahahaha 2011-09-08 12:12:56+0000 <blanchard> :) 2011-09-08 12:12:58+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and octopus! 2011-09-08 12:13:16+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: want to got next? 2011-09-08 12:13:22+0000 <mtyaka> eve: yesterday I finished #417 (transition from invitation_pick_wait -> vote_voter) 2011-09-08 12:13:22+0000 <eve> Done: I finished #417 (transition from invitation_pick_wait -> vote_voter) 2011-09-08 12:13:23+0000 <mtyaka> eve: today I want to do #420 (transition from invitation_pick -> vote_anonymous), although we'd probably need to discuss it a bit first 2011-09-08 12:13:23+0000 <eve> Next: I want to do #420 (transition from invitation_pick -> vote_anonymous), although we'd probably need to discuss it a bit first 2011-09-08 12:13:25+0000 <mtyaka> eve: blockers None. 2011-09-08 12:13:25+0000 <eve> Blockers: None 2011-09-08 12:13:57+0000 <arbrandes> mtyaka, agreed for discussion :) 2011-09-08 12:14:14+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: mtyaka: when we get enough founding, we'll have to get you both to come in Paris so we can all work a bit together there : ) 2011-09-08 12:14:17+0000 <arbrandes> gonna merge your stuff and take a look at it 2011-09-08 12:14:28+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: +1 ! 2011-09-08 12:14:31+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, that would be decidedly awesome 2011-09-08 12:14:34+0000 <arbrandes> +100 ;) 2011-09-08 12:14:39+0000 <antoviaque> :D 2011-09-08 12:14:45+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: sure, but only if there's turtles and pink carpets :P 2011-09-08 12:14:46+0000 <blanchard> :) 2011-09-08 12:14:56+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: deal! 2011-09-08 12:14:56+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahahah 2011-09-08 12:14:58+0000 <antoviaque> :p 2011-09-08 12:15:01+0000 <mtyaka> hehe, cool 2011-09-08 12:15:07+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: get to work hey! 2011-09-08 12:15:14+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yessir! 2011-09-08 12:15:19+0000 <antoviaque> good good 2011-09-08 12:15:22+0000 <arbrandes> hehehehe 2011-09-08 12:15:24+0000 <antoviaque> :p 2011-09-08 12:15:43+0000 <antoviaque> ok, something else anyone? 2011-09-08 12:15:49+0000 <tartarugafeliz> nope 2011-09-08 12:15:54+0000 <arbrandes> nope, good for me 2011-09-08 12:16:00+0000 <blanchard> arbrandes: i'm quite late on following buddypress but i reckon you wanted to discuss invoice 2011-09-08 12:16:10+0000 <blanchard> we do it after meeting is over ? 2011-09-08 12:16:16+0000 <arbrandes> sure ;) 2011-09-08 12:16:20+0000 <antoviaque> ok :) 2011-09-08 12:16:24+0000 <antoviaque> thanks everyone! 2011-09-08 12:16:28+0000 <blanchard> thanks ! 2011-09-08 12:16:29+0000 <antoviaque> eve: end dailymeeting 2011-09-08 12:16:29+0000 <eve> Meeting Ended 2011-09-08 12:16:29+0000 <eve> Minutes available at http://paste.pocoo.org/show/472355 2011-09-08 12:17:22+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: still up for the 121 at 3pm? (we can even do it now if you prefer) 2011-09-08 12:17:25+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard, ok, the thing is, it's gonna take a few more days for me to be able to use Banana Soft. to sign a new contract and send an invoice (maybe up to 10 days, my accountant says). 2011-09-08 12:17:55+0000 <blanchard> ok 2011-09-08 12:18:09+0000 <arbrandes> arbrandes, if its ok with you, we can wait until then. I don't think it would be fair to charge the additional 27.5% again. 2011-09-08 12:18:29+0000 <blanchard> i appreciate that :) if you can wait of course 2011-09-08 12:18:41+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: i'd actually prefer to do it now - i don't have much to discuss, so it shouldn't take long. 2011-09-08 12:18:55+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard, ok then, we'll wait :) 2011-09-08 12:18:59+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: perfect, I prefer too : ) 2011-09-08 12:19:22+0000 <blanchard> so, big invoice around the 20th of september. And then maybe a small one at the end of the month to start fresh with end of months rythm ? 2011-09-08 12:19:26+0000 <blanchard> arbrandes: ^ 2011-09-08 12:20:06+0000 <blanchard> or the next one will be end of october instead of end of sept it's same for me 2011-09-08 12:20:13+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard, I was thinking of issuing the same invoice I would if it were the beginning of the month, and then another one beginning of October. Does it matter either way? 2011-09-08 12:20:37+0000 <blanchard> your solution is fine with me 2011-09-08 12:20:51+0000 <arbrandes> By "as if it were", I mean I'd just include september tasks. This way the rhythm is sort of maintained. 2011-09-08 12:21:01+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: don't remember what worked best to discuss - bbb, skype or phone? :) 2011-09-08 12:21:16+0000 <arbrandes> ack, I mean, august tasks 2011-09-08 12:21:27+0000 <blanchard> arbrandes: understood :) 2011-09-08 12:22:05+0000 <blanchard> arbrandes: given that you always make me jealous with working on the beach, i wanted to say that the last 4 days, i worked there : http://www.pc.gc.ca/pn-np/qc/forillon/index.aspx 2011-09-08 12:22:37+0000 <blanchard> well, i tried to work. Not easy to find internet :p But I found a bear. A mummy bear and baby bear 2011-09-08 12:22:46+0000 <arbrandes> hahahah, awesome, this place looks beautiful!! 2011-09-08 12:22:52+0000 <blanchard> it's amazing 2011-09-08 12:22:53+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: bbb worked quite well the last time 2011-09-08 12:22:55+0000 <arbrandes> Did you take pictures of the bear? Or did you run away from them? ;) 2011-09-08 12:23:06+0000 <blanchard> i never ran so fast 2011-09-08 12:23:10+0000 <arbrandes> hahahahhaha 2011-09-08 12:23:13+0000 <blanchard> so I can't prove it :) 2011-09-08 12:23:25+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: not fair - if it's like this I'll send you pictures of working in one of the calanques :p 2011-09-08 12:23:35+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: ok, creating the room 2011-09-08 12:23:38+0000 <blanchard> haha antoviaque :) 2011-09-08 12:23:50+0000 <arbrandes> I'm about as scared of bears as I am of sharks, so I understand, lol 2011-09-08 12:24:09+0000 <blanchard> :) 2011-09-08 12:24:46+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: http://demo.bigbluebutton.org/bigbluebutton/demo/create.jsp?action=invite&meetingID=antoviaque%27s+meeting 2011-09-08 12:26:32+0000 mtyaka (mtyaka) is now online 2011-09-08 12:26:58+0000 <blanchard> http://www.gogaspe.com/ron/forillon/forillon.htm last picture on the right. I recognize it :p 2011-09-08 12:28:14+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: hmm... the above url returns 404? 2011-09-08 12:28:27+0000 <antoviaque> uh 2011-09-08 12:28:53+0000 <arbrandes> hahahhaha, blanchard 2011-09-08 12:29:06+0000 <arbrandes> that bear looks hungry 2011-09-08 12:29:45+0000 <arbrandes> especially liked this one: http://www.gogaspe.com/ron/forillon/point1.htm 2011-09-08 12:30:05+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: try http://demo.bigbluebutton.org/demo/create.jsp?action=invite&meetingID=antoviaque%27s+meeting -- they updated their demo but forgot to change some urls I think 2011-09-08 12:30:34+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: yup, already figured it out :) 2011-09-08 12:30:39+0000 <antoviaque> ;p 2011-09-08 12:30:46+0000 <mtyaka> no, wait :( 2011-09-08 12:31:05+0000 <antoviaque> doesn't work? 2011-09-08 12:31:19+0000 <mtyaka> it redirected me to some 404 url again... 2011-09-08 12:31:26+0000 <antoviaque> damned 2011-09-08 12:31:38+0000 <mtyaka> but now that i removed the /bigbluebutton part it might work... 2011-09-08 12:31:43+0000 <mtyaka> it's still loading 2011-09-08 12:32:07+0000 <mtyaka> yup, loading the client now 2011-09-08 12:32:16+0000 <antoviaque> cool! :) 2011-09-08 12:32:19+0000 <antoviaque> good hack :D 2011-09-08 12:43:43+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-09-08 12:44:11+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: I've lost connexion 2011-09-08 12:44:19+0000 <mtyaka> oh... 2011-09-08 12:44:24+0000 <antoviaque> but I think we're done so all good : ) 2011-09-08 12:44:31+0000 <antoviaque> everything good on your side? 2011-09-08 12:45:05+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: ^ 2011-09-08 12:45:12+0000 <mtyaka> i think you said "there is one more thing from my side" and then we got cut? 2011-09-08 12:45:25+0000 <mtyaka> did i hear that correctly? 2011-09-08 12:45:25+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now offline 2011-09-08 12:45:33+0000 <antoviaque> nope I was saying - there is no more thing from my side : ) 2011-09-08 12:45:37+0000 <mtyaka> on my side, everything is gode :) 2011-09-08 12:45:41+0000 <mtyaka> ahah, ok :) 2011-09-08 12:45:45+0000 <mtyaka> so we're good 2011-09-08 12:45:57+0000 <antoviaque> the bbb update is horrible, was difficult to hear you : ) 2011-09-08 12:46:02+0000 <antoviaque> yep, thanks for your time! 2011-09-08 12:46:22+0000 <mtyaka> yeah, my connection here is horrible, too 2011-09-08 12:46:40+0000 <mtyaka> so bbb worked even better than i would have expected 2011-09-08 12:46:53+0000 <mtyaka> thanks! 2011-09-08 12:46:57+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-09-08 12:48:54+0000 <mtyaka> arbrandes, antoviaque: can we discuss #420 (Implement transition from pick() to vote_anonymous()) a bit? 2011-09-08 12:49:05+0000 <arbrandes> sure, go ahead 2011-09-08 12:49:12+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-09-08 12:49:40+0000 <mtyaka> the ticket says we might want to try transitioning to pick_wait and then further to vote_anonymous 2011-09-08 12:50:08+0000 <mtyaka> but the transition from pick -> pick_wait is quite bad (there is no transition actually, the board just changes) 2011-09-08 12:50:23+0000 <mtyaka> so that wouldn't really help any 2011-09-08 12:50:41+0000 <arbrandes> Hmmm... I created the ticked, but I think I forgot we were going to forego a smooth transition for this. 2011-09-08 12:50:48+0000 <arbrandes> I say we just let the board change, for this one. 2011-09-08 12:51:00+0000 <arbrandes> (at least for now) 2011-09-08 12:51:11+0000 <mtyaka> that was my idea, too... 2011-09-08 12:51:29+0000 <arbrandes> if antoviaque's ok with it, I'm ok with it :) 2011-09-08 12:51:45+0000 <mtyaka> btw, should pick -> pick_wait transition be smoother and we just somehow forgot to implement it or is it like that by design? 2011-09-08 12:52:03+0000 <antoviaque> let me see 2011-09-08 12:52:27+0000 <mtyaka> not just the animation... there's also the send_game call that is synchronous, and freezes the board for a couple of moments 2011-09-08 12:52:38+0000 <arbrandes> mtyaka, I'm wrapping that up right now (story #387) 2011-09-08 12:52:45+0000 <arbrandes> merging with your stuff, too 2011-09-08 12:53:01+0000 <mtyaka> ah, cool! 2011-09-08 12:53:33+0000 <arbrandes> It just took me a while to do; I've had a bad case of brain-freeze these last few days. :( 2011-09-08 12:53:43+0000 <mtyaka> ah, i see... so we didn't miss the task, we just didn't finish it yet 2011-09-08 12:53:58+0000 <arbrandes> hehehe, yeah 2011-09-08 12:54:13+0000 <mtyaka> ok, great... another question about the pick -> vote_anonymous transition 2011-09-08 12:54:43+0000 <mtyaka> arbrandes: your recently changed the polling to use deferreds (polling starts when deferred is done) 2011-09-08 12:55:03+0000 <arbrandes> yup 2011-09-08 12:55:05+0000 <mtyaka> in the invitation_pick state, deferred resolves when jqdock is displayed 2011-09-08 12:55:06+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: mtyaka: yep, we don't care too much about having everything perfect for this one - it will only affect players who aren't around to vote, so it should be ok 2011-09-08 12:55:41+0000 <arbrandes> mtyaka, that's right 2011-09-08 12:55:47+0000 <mtyaka> (btw the deferreds for polling are awesome, and came in very handy for the work i was doing the last couple of days) 2011-09-08 12:56:11+0000 <arbrandes> good to know, I was worried they might have unintended side effects :) 2011-09-08 12:56:28+0000 <mtyaka> ok, so that means that if a player doesn't close the modal that is shown before opening jqdock, no polling is going on 2011-09-08 12:56:56+0000 <mtyaka> which is not a problem, it just means that the board will not change until they click the dialog button 2011-09-08 12:57:20+0000 * arbrandes thinking 2011-09-08 12:57:49+0000 * mtyaka is not really sure where he is going with this, he's just thinking out loud... 2011-09-08 12:58:14+0000 <arbrandes> I see what you mean 2011-09-08 12:58:29+0000 <arbrandes> the "choose a fake card" modal blocks automatic progress 2011-09-08 12:58:41+0000 <mtyaka> arbrandes: yup, exactly 2011-09-08 12:58:58+0000 <arbrandes> This area is a bit tricky 2011-09-08 12:59:13+0000 <arbrandes> If antoviaque agrees we can live with this, it'll be better 2011-09-08 12:59:51+0000 <mtyaka> so when a player didn't pick a card in time.... this is what happens: 2011-09-08 12:59:52+0000 <arbrandes> Changing this would require all sorts of refactoring (especially in the tests). 2011-09-08 12:59:57+0000 <mtyaka> he clicks the ok button... 2011-09-08 13:00:14+0000 <mtyaka> the jqdock comes up... 2011-09-08 13:00:23+0000 <arbrandes> ahhh, I see 2011-09-08 13:00:26+0000 <mtyaka> the poll returns and the board switches to the next state 2011-09-08 13:00:54+0000 <mtyaka> (which might be vote_anonymous, but could be even something else if the game has finished in the meantime already) 2011-09-08 13:01:02+0000 <arbrandes> Can we include a modal that says "you didn't pick your card in time", or something like that? 2011-09-08 13:01:10+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: not ideal because it is a bit confusing yep, but I think it's ok for now 2011-09-08 13:01:20+0000 <arbrandes> Meaning, would it be hard? 2011-09-08 13:01:22+0000 * arbrandes thinking 2011-09-08 13:01:41+0000 <mtyaka> arbrandes: that's what i was thinking about... 2011-09-08 13:02:24+0000 <mtyaka> if the only possible transition would be to vote_anonymous, it wouldn't be too hard to handle... 2011-09-08 13:02:40+0000 <antoviaque> if it's very easy the modal can be a good plus, but if it's even a little bit tricky you can leave it for later 2011-09-08 13:02:48+0000 <mtyaka> but there are others possibilities which i didn't think about yet (like when the game is complete) 2011-09-08 13:03:06+0000 <arbrandes> For this to work, we'd have to check that the transition was *not* to the regular next state 2011-09-08 13:03:07+0000 <mtyaka> it is doable, but might take some time 2011-09-08 13:03:25+0000 <antoviaque> some time = several hours? 2011-09-08 13:04:10+0000 <mtyaka> perhaps it would be best for now, if we create a ticket for this, and come back to it later? the regular transition (when a player did pick a card) is much more important for us at the moment 2011-09-08 13:04:11+0000 <arbrandes> The problem is that the proposed solution to #417 (which I haven't looked at yet) would not be able to handle it. 2011-09-08 13:04:30+0000 <arbrandes> I think that for now, I'm with mtyaka 2011-09-08 13:04:38+0000 <arbrandes> We can come back to it 2011-09-08 13:05:03+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: it could take up to a day 2011-09-08 13:05:53+0000 <mtyaka> on the other hand, if we are not concerned with the transition, #420 is practically finished already 2011-09-08 13:06:02+0000 <antoviaque> yup, better spend the time on getting the rest of the player views working, it will help to get to playtest faster 2011-09-08 13:06:36+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: ok 2011-09-08 13:09:42+0000 xrogaan (xrogaan) is now online 2011-09-08 13:09:49+0000 xrogaan (xrogaan) is now online 2011-09-08 13:14:41+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-09-08 13:15:05+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: so menimontant tomorrow morning at the end? 2011-09-08 13:15:25+0000 <antoviaque> (re was deco) 2011-09-08 13:17:55+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: yep 2011-09-08 13:18:25+0000 <antoviaque> ok 2011-09-08 13:46:41+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, you can pull from my branch 2011-09-08 13:46:50+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: ok, doing it now 2011-09-08 13:46:56+0000 <antoviaque> thanks! 2011-09-08 13:48:55+0000 <arbrandes> There are still two issues, though: which is that cards are dealt again when pick() goes into pick_wait() 2011-09-08 13:49:14+0000 <arbrandes> and 2, the cards are not moved closer to the players 2011-09-08 13:49:37+0000 <arbrandes> mtyaka, just an FYI ^ 2011-09-08 13:56:11+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-09-08 13:59:13+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, the second issue was my fault, fixed. 2011-09-08 13:59:33+0000 <antoviaque> re (crash, not my day : ) ) 2011-09-08 13:59:48+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: ok - pulling again and resuming my tests : ) 2011-09-08 14:04:18+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, for the first issue I created (and estimated) a ticket: http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/422 2011-09-08 14:06:15+0000 <arbrandes> btw, I ended up spending roughly 16 hours on #415, can I bump the estimate? 2011-09-08 14:11:15+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: ok for the bump on #415 and the estimate of #422 2011-09-08 14:11:26+0000 <antoviaque> those steps are giving a hard time : ) 2011-09-08 14:15:39+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: found a first bug, if you want to have a look now (I keep testing) http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/423 2011-09-08 14:19:13+0000 <arbrandes> About #423, funny, I don't get that... will have to try with Django 2011-09-08 14:19:27+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: hmm, for me it seems cards don't move away from the hand for the vote on the player views, after the author moved to the vote phase 2011-09-08 14:20:10+0000 <arbrandes> "cards don't move away from the hand" => not sure I understand 2011-09-08 14:20:35+0000 <arbrandes> The sprite animation from the dock to the player seat? 2011-09-08 14:20:48+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque ^ 2011-09-08 14:21:35+0000 <antoviaque> when the author starts the vote, everything stops before the cards are supposed to all go to the middle to be shuffled 2011-09-08 14:21:48+0000 <antoviaque> if it makes sense 2011-09-08 14:22:20+0000 <arbrandes> yes, that's where development stopped 2011-09-08 14:22:51+0000 <antoviaque> ohh - should have checked the stories, sorry 2011-09-08 14:23:05+0000 <arbrandes> no problem 2011-09-08 14:23:06+0000 <arbrandes> :) 2011-09-08 14:23:38+0000 <arbrandes> It should be faster from now on, though 2011-09-08 14:24:24+0000 <arbrandes> The hard stuff (when and how to transition), is mostly done. The rest is just more of the same. 2011-09-08 14:27:49+0000 <antoviaque> yes, there is a lot going on - even testing everything is more tricky on this sprint 2011-09-08 14:30:33+0000 <arbrandes> be back in a little while (1 hour-ish). Go ahead and create any bugs you see, I'll get on them as soon as I get back. 2011-09-08 14:31:14+0000 <antoviaque> seems the rest is alright so far, good job to both of you for sorting everything out : ) 2011-09-08 15:02:30+0000 <antoviaque> and updated the sprints - the completion of alpha7 should allow us to start playtesting 2011-09-08 15:02:55+0000 <antoviaque> there will still be polish work, but should have removed the main playability blockers 2011-09-08 15:03:54+0000 <antoviaque> Now we'll need to confirm that it will be enough bananas (keeping in mind that we are already thursday, so 2 days less than usual for alpha7) 2011-09-08 15:19:49+0000 xrogaan (xrogaan) is now online 2011-09-08 15:19:56+0000 xrogaan (xrogaan) is now online 2011-09-08 15:48:51+0000 arbrandes_ (arbrandes_) is now online 2011-09-08 15:49:27+0000 arbrandes_ (arbrandes_) is now online 2011-09-08 17:23:26+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-09-08 17:52:38+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2011-09-08 18:36:26+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, if you' re still around, http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/425 estimated, http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/422 and http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/423 done. 2011-09-08 18:37:13+0000 <antoviaque> looking 2011-09-08 18:38:20+0000 <antoviaque> all good 2011-09-08 18:38:26+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: can I pull? 2011-09-08 18:38:39+0000 <arbrandes> thanks :) sure, you can pull 2011-09-08 18:39:00+0000 <antoviaque> cool - thanks for the fixes : ) 2011-09-08 18:39:17+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: btw in case you haven't seen earlier: 2011-09-08 18:39:23+0000 <antoviaque> (05:02:31 PM) antoviaque: and updated the sprints - the completion of alpha7 should allow us to start playtesting 2011-09-08 18:39:23+0000 <antoviaque> (05:02:56 PM) antoviaque: there will still be polish work, but should have removed the main playability blockers 2011-09-08 18:39:23+0000 <antoviaque> (05:03:55 PM) antoviaque: Now we'll need to confirm that it will be enough bananas (keeping in mind that we are already thursday, so 2 days less than usual for alpha7) 2011-09-08 18:39:37+0000 <antoviaque> let me know when you're ready to talk bananas ;p 2011-09-08 18:39:55+0000 <arbrandes> ahh, ok, missed those lines 2011-09-08 18:39:59+0000 <arbrandes> lemme look at the bananas 2011-09-08 18:40:10+0000 <antoviaque> and: 2011-09-08 18:40:12+0000 <antoviaque> (04:31:15 PM) antoviaque: seems the rest is alright so far, good job to both of you for sorting everything out : ) 2011-09-08 18:40:14+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-09-08 18:45:14+0000 <arbrandes> thanks for that, antoviaque. :) I'm still feeling bad that we weren't able to finish the player view yet. BUT... looking at the bananas for alpha7, I'm starting to feel optimistic: 2011-09-08 18:45:25+0000 <arbrandes> There are 11 bananas 2011-09-08 18:45:36+0000 <arbrandes> However, many of those are actually half-nanas 2011-09-08 18:45:47+0000 <arbrandes> the only real unknown quantity is the chat story 2011-09-08 18:46:34+0000 <arbrandes> But since it's basically been implemented already, it's just a question of adjusting the client view (mostly HTML/CSS, I would think) 2011-09-08 18:47:59+0000 <arbrandes> (note on my math: http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/217 is actually only 1 banana, or less, for alpha7) 2011-09-08 18:51:14+0000 <antoviaque> so what do you think? it fits or a little too big? 2011-09-08 18:51:22+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: ! 2011-09-08 18:51:27+0000 <antoviaque> ^ 2011-09-08 18:52:31+0000 <arbrandes> I'll make it fit, this time. ;) 2011-09-08 18:53:14+0000 <antoviaque> ah, I like this spirit : ) 2011-09-08 18:53:35+0000 <arbrandes> heheheh :) 2011-09-08 18:54:00+0000 <antoviaque> thanks arbrandes 2011-09-08 18:54:24+0000 <arbrandes> np, see you on the other side 2011-09-08 18:54:31+0000 * arbrandes wraps bandana around his head 2011-09-08 18:54:39+0000 <antoviaque> hehehe 2011-09-08 18:54:40+0000 * arbrandes sticks knife in boot 2011-09-08 18:54:52+0000 <arbrandes> ;) 2011-09-08 18:55:00+0000 <antoviaque> ;p 2011-09-08 20:09:18+0000 MCMic (MCMic) is now online 2011-09-08 20:45:13+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-09-08 23:33:30+0000 mtyaka (mtyaka) is now online
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