Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2011-10-25.
2011-10-25 00:35:56+0000 blanchard (blanchard) is now online 2011-10-25 06:48:12+0000 MCMic (MCMic) is now online 2011-10-25 07:30:45+0000 blanchard1 (blanchard1) is now online 2011-10-25 07:42:29+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-10-25 09:59:34+0000 * blanchard1 is having a cool discussion about serious gaming for kids in india 2011-10-25 09:59:45+0000 <blanchard1> with indian publisher (kids) 2011-10-25 10:00:23+0000 <blanchard1> nothing settled, but very nice opportunity there 2011-10-25 10:08:49+0000 MCMic (MCMic) is now online 2011-10-25 10:52:34+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard1: cool : ) 2011-10-25 10:52:44+0000 <antoviaque> fore-hire contract or joint venture? 2011-10-25 10:53:22+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard1: btw when do you want to meet, before we go to that demo of card stories at la cite des sciences this afternoon? 2011-10-25 11:22:15+0000 MCMic (MCMic) is now online 2011-10-25 11:53:52+0000 <blanchard1> antoviaque: for india, i don't know yet 2011-10-25 11:54:03+0000 <blanchard1> antoviaque: yes perfect, before demo 2011-10-25 11:54:09+0000 <blanchard1> 4pm over there ? 2011-10-25 11:54:24+0000 <antoviaque> when does it start, not sure I remember 2011-10-25 11:54:35+0000 <antoviaque> we can drink a coffee actually before 2011-10-25 11:55:00+0000 <blanchard1> i have 4.30pm in mind for the start 2011-10-25 11:59:01+0000 <blanchard1> antoviaque: 4pm at corentin cariou ? 2011-10-25 11:59:09+0000 <blanchard1> for coffee 2011-10-25 11:59:19+0000 <antoviaque> ok! 2011-10-25 11:59:24+0000 <blanchard1> cool 2011-10-25 12:15:04+0000 <blanchard1> [email protected]: login with facebook doesn't work in chrome 2011-10-25 12:18:15+0000 <blanchard1> (on farsides website) 2011-10-25 12:33:13+0000 <antoviaque> yep, seen : ) 2011-10-25 12:33:21+0000 <antoviaque> eve: start dailymeeting 2011-10-25 12:33:21+0000 * eve antoviaque arbrandes blanchard blanchard1 dachary mtyaka tartarugafeliz and al: daily meeting starts! Please say "eve_: yesterday|today|blockers <your report>" 2011-10-25 12:33:29+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve: yesterday I finished the banner for Pikaland. 2011-10-25 12:33:29+0000 <eve> Done: I finished the banner for Pikaland 2011-10-25 12:33:29+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve: today I'm going to the convention to play with people. 2011-10-25 12:33:30+0000 <eve> Next: I'm going to the convention to play with people 2011-10-25 12:33:30+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve: blockers none. 2011-10-25 12:33:30+0000 <eve> Blockers: none 2011-10-25 12:33:46+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: cool for the banner : ) 2011-10-25 12:33:54+0000 <antoviaque> any news from pikaland about the when? 2011-10-25 12:34:06+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :) 2011-10-25 12:34:13+0000 <tartarugafeliz> nope, not yet, but probably soon 2011-10-25 12:34:25+0000 <antoviaque> ok! 2011-10-25 12:34:43+0000 <antoviaque> eve: yesterday Pushed alpha11 to cardstories.org, hotfixed #568 UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character, played with newcomers on Card Stories, posted on blog&email about card stories beta, updated specs plebia for olivier, 2011-10-25 12:34:43+0000 <eve> Done: Pushed alpha11 to cardstories.org, hotfixed #568 UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character, played with newcomers on Card Stories, posted on blog&email about card stories beta, updated specs plebia for olivier, 2011-10-25 12:34:43+0000 <antoviaque> eve: yesterday Discussed scalability with dachary (game crashed yesterday when 100 visitors came at once) and put nginx in front of apache to serve polls & static content to diminish memory footprint (also dachary increased the RAM to 6GB & put 4CPUs on the instance) 2011-10-25 12:34:43+0000 <eve> Done: Discussed scalability with dachary (game crashed yesterday when 100 visitors came at once) and put nginx in front of apache to serve polls & static content to diminish memory footprint (also dachary increased the RAM to 6GB & put 4CPUs on the instance) 2011-10-25 12:34:43+0000 <antoviaque> eve: today Fix feedback button (down), demo/playtest of card stories at la cite des sciences (carrefour numerique - every day until saturday, 4-6pm GMT+2) 2011-10-25 12:34:43+0000 <eve> Next: Fix feedback button (down), demo/playtest of card stories at la cite des sciences (carrefour numerique - every day until saturday, 4-6pm GMT+2) 2011-10-25 12:34:43+0000 <antoviaque> eve: blockers none! 2011-10-25 12:34:43+0000 <eve> Blockers: none 2011-10-25 12:35:25+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard1: next? : ) 2011-10-25 12:35:52+0000 <blanchard1> yep sorry 2011-10-25 12:35:56+0000 <blanchard1> was playing :) 2011-10-25 12:36:02+0000 <antoviaque> ahah, it's to play CS, np ;p 2011-10-25 12:36:05+0000 <blanchard1> eve, yesterday : Meeting with VC (will debrief on buddypress). Admin tasks sent to Magalie, to be discussed. Mail sent to indian publisher (regarding distribution / serious gaming) with more details on CS, following a first mail of interest. 2011-10-25 12:36:05+0000 <eve> Done: : Meeting with VC (will debrief on buddypress). Admin tasks sent to Magalie, to be discussed. Mail sent to indian publisher (regarding distribution / serious gaming) with more details on CS, following a first mail of interest 2011-10-25 12:36:05+0000 <blanchard1> eve, today : Call with accountant. Rework cash forecast. Try something with OWA. Start process of capital raise + update admin docs for Xav and Deb (founders), this will take at least a month. 2011-10-25 12:36:05+0000 <eve> Next: : Call with accountant. Rework cash forecast. Try something with OWA. Start process of capital raise + update admin docs for Xav and Deb (founders), this will take at least a month 2011-10-25 12:36:05+0000 <blanchard1> eve, blockers : For OWA, I'd like a few tips - I'm not sure what are the relevant metrics i should look for the converion to registered and churn. 2011-10-25 12:36:05+0000 <eve> Blockers: : For OWA, I'd like a few tips - I'm not sure what are the relevant metrics i should look for the converion to registered and churn 2011-10-25 12:36:37+0000 <antoviaque> busy bee : ) 2011-10-25 12:36:48+0000 <blanchard1> hehe 2011-10-25 12:37:00+0000 <antoviaque> the indian guy was interested by card stories? 2011-10-25 12:37:07+0000 <blanchard1> in theory yes 2011-10-25 12:37:17+0000 <blanchard1> then I just sent him some details about the game 2011-10-25 12:37:34+0000 <blanchard1> so we'll see in details how it goes 2011-10-25 12:37:44+0000 <tartarugafeliz> he needs to come and play :) 2011-10-25 12:37:46+0000 <antoviaque> ok 2011-10-25 12:37:49+0000 <antoviaque> ah yep ;p 2011-10-25 12:37:52+0000 <tartarugafeliz> then he'll be interested 2011-10-25 12:37:52+0000 <blanchard1> yey 2011-10-25 12:38:20+0000 <blanchard1> tartarugafeliz: don't worry I'll send you some investors and partners to play one of these days 2011-10-25 12:38:25+0000 <blanchard1> and then you'll hate me 2011-10-25 12:38:33+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: want to participate in this meeting? 2011-10-25 12:38:33+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahaha why? 2011-10-25 12:38:35+0000 <antoviaque> ahahaha 2011-10-25 12:38:43+0000 <blanchard1> because they'll be lost. They never play :p 2011-10-25 12:38:48+0000 <antoviaque> ;p 2011-10-25 12:38:58+0000 <antoviaque> old gran'pas 2011-10-25 12:38:58+0000 <tartarugafeliz> its good to exercise patience 2011-10-25 12:38:59+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :) 2011-10-25 12:39:08+0000 <blanchard1> hehe you'll need it ;) 2011-10-25 12:40:17+0000 <antoviaque> ok, all good for this meeting? 2011-10-25 12:40:23+0000 <blanchard1> yep 2011-10-25 12:40:27+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka doesn't seem to be around 2011-10-25 12:40:33+0000 <antoviaque> ok! 2011-10-25 12:40:38+0000 <antoviaque> eve: end dailymeeting 2011-10-25 12:40:39+0000 <eve> Meeting Ended 2011-10-25 12:40:39+0000 <eve> Minutes available at http://paste.pocoo.org/show/497901 2011-10-25 12:40:40+0000 <blanchard1> antoviaque: when you have 2mn I'd like a little help with owa 2011-10-25 12:40:44+0000 <antoviaque> sure 2011-10-25 12:40:52+0000 <blanchard1> so I can start looking at how to use it 2011-10-25 12:41:04+0000 <blanchard1> the question is basically 2011-10-25 12:41:09+0000 <blanchard1> where should i look 2011-10-25 12:41:19+0000 <blanchard1> there are lots of figures and I'm a bit lost 2011-10-25 12:41:29+0000 <antoviaque> what do you want to do? 2011-10-25 12:41:43+0000 <blanchard1> to start with, I'm interested in 2 things 2011-10-25 12:42:11+0000 <blanchard1> 1) conversion from visitors to registered on daily/weekly basis 2011-10-25 12:42:19+0000 <blanchard1> 2) a way to understand how to measure the churn 2011-10-25 12:43:19+0000 <blanchard1> For instance 2011-10-25 12:43:30+0000 <blanchard1> I looked for the month of october, and I see : 2011-10-25 12:44:26+0000 <blanchard1> no sorry 2011-10-25 12:44:52+0000 * blanchard1 trying to understand more before giving figures / question 2011-10-25 12:45:22+0000 <antoviaque> 1) conversion from visitors, it should be in the funnel, but right now the funnel doesn't differentiate between visitors & returning users, so the stats are messed up 2011-10-25 12:45:51+0000 <antoviaque> so right now the only way is to look at the number of accounts created in the django admin 2011-10-25 12:46:17+0000 <blanchard1> but 2011-10-25 12:46:24+0000 <blanchard1> if i look at the bounce rate 2011-10-25 12:46:40+0000 <blanchard1> it's the % of people who don't create an account no ? 2011-10-25 12:46:41+0000 <antoviaque> http://cardstories.org/admin/ with your login/pass from CS 2011-10-25 12:46:57+0000 <antoviaque> yes and no 2011-10-25 12:47:23+0000 <antoviaque> because it also takes into account returning users 2011-10-25 12:47:35+0000 <blanchard1> ah ok 2011-10-25 12:48:18+0000 <antoviaque> on the other side the account created don't differentiate traffic sources, so it grows the conversion rate by taking into account the organic growth/viral 2011-10-25 12:48:21+0000 <blanchard1> i reach the admin but no action available 2011-10-25 12:48:29+0000 <antoviaque> hmm 2011-10-25 12:49:32+0000 <antoviaque> try again 2011-10-25 12:50:39+0000 <blanchard1> better antoviaque :) 2011-10-25 12:50:47+0000 <antoviaque> cool :) 2011-10-25 12:51:06+0000 <antoviaque> see, not bad, 207 users already :p 2011-10-25 12:51:12+0000 <blanchard1> i see that :) 2011-10-25 12:51:38+0000 <tartarugafeliz> wow! 2011-10-25 12:52:10+0000 <antoviaque> most of them came from SU, adwords did very little conversion 2011-10-25 12:52:31+0000 <blanchard1> if on OWA i look at "visits-unique visitors/number of registered", it gives the number of visit per registered more or less ? 2011-10-25 12:52:36+0000 <blanchard1> hmm 2011-10-25 12:52:43+0000 <blanchard1> my question is unclear 2011-10-25 12:53:28+0000 <antoviaque> (cf my excel in the repository btw for the conversion on the first campaign) 2011-10-25 12:53:34+0000 <antoviaque> hmm 2011-10-25 12:55:24+0000 <blanchard1> the unique visits include 1) visitors multiplied by the number of their visits and 2) registered multiplied by the number of their visits correct antoviaque ? 2011-10-25 12:55:33+0000 <antoviaque> yep 2011-10-25 12:57:10+0000 * blanchard1 trying to understand how to measure the churn 2011-10-25 12:57:27+0000 <blanchard1> antoviaque: btw can you remind me where your excel is in the repo ? 2011-10-25 12:57:33+0000 <blanchard1> i'll use it :) 2011-10-25 12:57:54+0000 <antoviaque> it's in marketing/ 2011-10-25 12:58:22+0000 <antoviaque> for the churn we would need to find a way to extract cohorts 2011-10-25 12:58:48+0000 <blanchard1> yes that's what i'm looking at but OWA is still a mistery to me 2011-10-25 12:58:55+0000 <antoviaque> but you can probably get an estimation with visitor recency 2011-10-25 12:59:07+0000 <antoviaque> ah, owa won't handle cohorts 2011-10-25 12:59:27+0000 <antoviaque> it's more the type of things you look at in tableau, directly from the game db 2011-10-25 12:59:33+0000 <blanchard1> oki 2011-10-25 13:00:45+0000 <antoviaque> actually more visitor age 2011-10-25 13:01:06+0000 <blanchard1> recency : if we look at weekly activity, then the 70+23+5+6+6+6 are the active players according to you ? 2011-10-25 13:01:43+0000 <blanchard1> ok antoviaque i need to look a bit more in depth at owa and i'll come back with relevant questions :) 2011-10-25 13:01:49+0000 <antoviaque> ok : ) 2011-10-25 13:01:52+0000 <antoviaque> good luck! :p 2011-10-25 13:01:55+0000 <blanchard1> hehe 2011-10-25 13:22:00+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: http://www.universcience.fr/fr/carrefour-numerique/ 2011-10-25 13:27:48+0000 <tartarugafeliz> our banner is up at pikaland.com everyone! :D 2011-10-25 13:27:54+0000 <tartarugafeliz> blanchard: antoviaque 2011-10-25 13:28:09+0000 <antoviaque> kewl :D 2011-10-25 13:59:34+0000 MCMic (MCMic) is now online 2011-10-25 16:48:06+0000 mtyaka (mtyaka) is now online 2011-10-25 17:15:10+0000 MCMic (MCMic) is now online 2011-10-25 17:47:44+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-10-25 18:32:50+0000 MCMic1 (MCMic1) is now online 2011-10-25 20:49:47+0000 MCMic (MCMic) is now online 2011-10-25 21:04:52+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: here? 2011-10-25 21:05:02+0000 <antoviaque> yep : ) 2011-10-25 21:05:21+0000 <mtyaka> can you please check what firefox tells you if you open this: http://cardstories.org/static/css/images/player_hand2dock_1.png 2011-10-25 21:05:31+0000 <antoviaque> sure 2011-10-25 21:05:51+0000 <mtyaka> it tells me image is corrupted but i'm not sure, maybe i put FF in some strange state trying to debug the chat problem 2011-10-25 21:06:08+0000 <mtyaka> (the memory usage went up to 1.2 GB!) 2011-10-25 21:06:27+0000 <mtyaka> (and I only have 2 GB total :) 2011-10-25 21:06:33+0000 <antoviaque> wow, so that's why some firefox swap a lot : ) 2011-10-25 21:06:46+0000 <antoviaque> my firefox is ok with it, he displays correctly 2011-10-25 21:07:00+0000 <mtyaka> yes :) chrome behaves much much better with regards to memory 2011-10-25 21:07:21+0000 <antoviaque> btw we had some memory issues like that today at the convention, the game wasn't running in firefox because of this 2011-10-25 21:07:23+0000 <mtyaka> when i open CS in firefox, the memory usage jumps from 400 MB up to 800 2011-10-25 21:07:45+0000 <mtyaka> yeah.... I guess I have to restart my FF... this may take a while 2011-10-25 21:08:03+0000 <antoviaque> only 500 MB in memory footprint for firefox (but just opened it, so actually it's big ;p) 2011-10-25 21:08:23+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: any idea on how to reduce the memory we use? 2011-10-25 21:09:18+0000 <mtyaka> i was profiling memory usage in chrome (because it has pretty nice tools for that) 2011-10-25 21:09:50+0000 <mtyaka> and the conclusion i came to was that the only way to reduce memory usage in chrome is to drop png animations, because they are what eats up most of the memory 2011-10-25 21:10:00+0000 <mtyaka> although in chrome, CS needs "only" about 100 MB 2011-10-25 21:10:13+0000 <mtyaka> so perhaps there is some other problem in FF 2011-10-25 21:10:35+0000 <mtyaka> I'll investigate a bit 2011-10-25 21:11:17+0000 <antoviaque> 100MB would be fine yep, given the xGB we now get for some years 2011-10-25 21:11:32+0000 <mtyaka> yep, i agree 2011-10-25 21:11:46+0000 <antoviaque> thanks, good luck with this : ) 2011-10-25 21:12:15+0000 <mtyaka> it also explains why if I open CS in chrome while I also have VirtualBox open at the same time, things arent *too* bad, but if i open it in firefox, my laptop is toast for at least 15 minutes :) 2011-10-25 21:12:51+0000 <mtyaka> hmm.. after restarting FF it doesn't complain about corrupt images anymore. Strange FF bug. 2011-10-25 21:16:12+0000 <antoviaque> yep, definitely made the difference between a sawppy machine and a crashed machine at the demo booth this afternoon - with old computers it's a killer _______________________________________________ Farsides mailing list - [email protected] Wiki: http://farsides.com/ List: http://farsides.com/ml/ Forum: http://farsides.com/forum/ Ideas: http://farsides.com/ideas/ Chat: http://farsides.com/chat/
