Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2011-12-19.
2011-12-19 06:05:31+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-12-19 07:49:08+0000 mtyaka (mtyaka) is now online 2011-12-19 08:12:32+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: hi! 2011-12-19 08:13:12+0000 <mtyaka> thanks again for doing the code reviews! 2011-12-19 08:14:19+0000 <mtyaka> when you have a moment, I'd like to ask you to check the spent time on three issues where we haven't set the estimated time yet: #611, #654, and #606 2011-12-19 08:15:49+0000 <mtyaka> And there's also #526 (the chat scrolling bug), where we set the estimated time to 2 hours, but that was before my final attempt at solving the bug, for which I spent an additional hour. May I bump the estimated time for the extra 1 hour on this issue? 2011-12-19 08:29:33+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-12-19 08:36:53+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-12-19 10:15:05+0000 MCMic (MCMic) is now online 2011-12-19 10:16:37+0000 <MCMic> hi 2011-12-19 10:17:08+0000 <MCMic> antoviaque: are you here? 2011-12-19 10:17:23+0000 <antoviaque> MCMic: hello : ) 2011-12-19 10:17:50+0000 <antoviaque> how did your projects went last week? ended well ? : ) 2011-12-19 10:19:27+0000 <MCMic> antoviaque: It went well. It's not finished, I'll work on it again in january 2011-12-19 10:20:26+0000 <antoviaque> ah! second part of the exams? 2011-12-19 10:21:12+0000 <MCMic> antoviaque: Tried to launch cardstories on my computer this week-end, I managed to install dependencies and launch "website/manage.py syncdb", but the script "start_webservice" sill doesn't work, it seems it's missing the file "cardstories.db" that I don't know how to create 2011-12-19 10:22:18+0000 <antoviaque> MCMic: ah, the script start_webservice is a shortcut, but not sure if it matches the instructions from README.txt 2011-12-19 10:22:59+0000 <antoviaque> did you try the commands from the README instead? It's probably the settings from website/settings.py (or website/local_settings.py if you created one) 2011-12-19 10:23:04+0000 <antoviaque> which are different 2011-12-19 10:23:08+0000 * antoviaque looking 2011-12-19 10:24:47+0000 <antoviaque> hmm, actually, start_webservice is about twisted, so not related to settings.py - the WS creates his db itself 2011-12-19 10:24:54+0000 <antoviaque> what's the error? 2011-12-19 10:25:42+0000 * antoviaque is going to remove the start_webservice.sh, it's probably more confusing than helpful 2011-12-19 10:26:39+0000 <MCMic> ok you're right, start_webservice differs from readme instructions 2011-12-19 10:27:21+0000 <antoviaque> hop, script removed 2011-12-19 10:27:36+0000 <MCMic> No, the problem is that website/manage.py created the db in /tmp and start_webservice search it in log. 2011-12-19 10:27:43+0000 <antoviaque> thanks for this, it's helpful to see what parts are confusing to have someone joining and trying it for the first time : ) 2011-12-19 10:28:26+0000 <antoviaque> yep - at least without this script we're sure there is no difference with the commands in README : ) 2011-12-19 10:30:25+0000 <MCMic> ok, it's working 2011-12-19 10:30:40+0000 <antoviaque> cool : ) 2011-12-19 10:31:59+0000 <MCMic> "No module named simplejson", not working that much 2011-12-19 10:32:40+0000 <MCMic> (installing python-simplejson) 2011-12-19 10:35:36+0000 <antoviaque> : ) 2011-12-19 10:36:52+0000 <antoviaque> Thanks, adding the missing dependency to the README 2011-12-19 10:37:33+0000 <MCMic> http://pastebin.archlinux.fr/435019 -> Tried to subscribe to my local cardstories, now I'm getting this error whatever I try to do 2011-12-19 10:43:51+0000 * antoviaque looking 2011-12-19 10:44:28+0000 <antoviaque> Did you configure the right hostnames in the webservice XML config files? (cf README) 2011-12-19 10:45:07+0000 <MCMic> ah 2011-12-19 10:45:14+0000 <antoviaque> this error indicates that the WS can't connect to django 2011-12-19 10:45:18+0000 <antoviaque> : ) 2011-12-19 10:45:28+0000 <MCMic> did not see that yet as it is after the launching command ^^ 2011-12-19 10:45:34+0000 <antoviaque> ;p 2011-12-19 10:46:43+0000 <antoviaque> good remark btw - moved it right before 2011-12-19 10:48:15+0000 <MCMic> And it seems the game needs a log dir 2011-12-19 10:48:38+0000 <MCMic> the command says "--plugins-logdir log/" but the directory is not existing 2011-12-19 10:49:15+0000 <MCMic> so I get : "no such file or directory: 'log/chat/2011-12-19.log'" 2011-12-19 10:50:31+0000 <MCMic> after creating log and chat folder, everything goes well 2011-12-19 10:54:00+0000 <antoviaque> yup, good remark too - adding it to the README 2011-12-19 10:57:57+0000 mtyaka_ (mtyaka_) is now online 2011-12-19 12:24:58+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: you wanted to see the SU page for cardstories: http://www.stumbleupon.com/content/1ehGQu/likes 2011-12-19 12:25:15+0000 <tartarugafeliz> thank you! :D there are lots of players coming out of nowhere! Love it! 2011-12-19 12:26:03+0000 <antoviaque> we have 204 likes there 2011-12-19 12:27:49+0000 <antoviaque> ah no 539 actually :p 2011-12-19 12:31:35+0000 <tartarugafeliz> \o/!!! 2011-12-19 12:48:56+0000 MCMic (MCMic) is now online 2011-12-19 12:58:19+0000 blanchard (blanchard) is now online 2011-12-19 13:32:24+0000 <blanchard> hi 2011-12-19 13:37:03+0000 <antoviaque> hello! 2011-12-19 13:37:07+0000 <mtyaka> hi blanchard 2011-12-19 13:37:09+0000 <tartarugafeliz> helloooo 2011-12-19 13:37:15+0000 <mtyaka> hi antoviaque, tartarugafeliz :) 2011-12-19 13:37:15+0000 <blanchard> hi all :) 2011-12-19 13:37:19+0000 <antoviaque> sorry for being late 2011-12-19 13:37:25+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hi mtyaka!! 2011-12-19 13:37:28+0000 <antoviaque> hey mtyaka, hey blanchard : ) 2011-12-19 13:37:35+0000 <antoviaque> eve: start dailymeeting 2011-12-19 13:37:35+0000 <eve> antoviaque: Sorry, meeting in progress. 2011-12-19 13:37:41+0000 <antoviaque> uups 2011-12-19 13:37:44+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ohhhh 2011-12-19 13:37:46+0000 <antoviaque> eve: end dailymeeting 2011-12-19 13:37:46+0000 <eve> Meeting Ended 2011-12-19 13:37:46+0000 <eve> Minutes available at http://paste.pocoo.org/show/523013 2011-12-19 13:37:47+0000 <mtyaka> :) 2011-12-19 13:37:54+0000 <antoviaque> eve: start dailymeeting 2011-12-19 13:37:54+0000 * eve antoviaque arbrandes blanchard blanchard1 dachary mtyaka tartarugafeliz and al: daily meeting starts! Please say "eve_: yesterday|today|blockers <your report>" 2011-12-19 13:37:59+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve: yesterday I finished #696 Design avatars for when players have no facebook or Gravatar 2011-12-19 13:37:59+0000 <eve> Done: I finished #696 Design avatars for when players have no facebook or Gravatar 2011-12-19 13:38:00+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve: today I'll play Cs, work on my projects, start sketching the new card. 2011-12-19 13:38:00+0000 <eve> Next: I'll play Cs, work on my projects, start sketching the new card 2011-12-19 13:38:00+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve: blockers none 2011-12-19 13:38:00+0000 <eve> Blockers: none 2011-12-19 13:38:06+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ra! :P 2011-12-19 13:38:28+0000 <antoviaque> thanks for the avatars tartarugafeliz, they look great :D 2011-12-19 13:38:31+0000 <antoviaque> eve: yesterday Sent an email about the survey to all the players, implemented #691 "Gravatar & Facebook avatars", #697 "Integrate final version of default avatars", #678 "Django's getuseremail allows to retreive any user email", worked on the changes mentioned by mtyaka in his code reviews (#675, #670 - thanks mtyaka btw!) 2011-12-19 13:38:31+0000 <eve> Done: Sent an email about the survey to all the players, implemented #691 "Gravatar & Facebook avatars", #697 "Integrate final version of default avatars", #678 "Django's getuseremail allows to retreive any user email", worked on the changes mentioned by mtyaka in his code reviews (#675, #670 - thanks mtyaka btw!) 2011-12-19 13:38:31+0000 <antoviaque> eve: today Review/push/test alpha17, work on another CS story (not sure which one yet - suggestions welcomed!) 2011-12-19 13:38:31+0000 <eve> Next: Review/push/test alpha17, work on another CS story (not sure which one yet - suggestions welcomed!) 2011-12-19 13:38:31+0000 <antoviaque> eve: blockers None 2011-12-19 13:38:31+0000 <eve> Blockers: None 2011-12-19 13:38:40+0000 <mtyaka> avatars!! I've wanted them for a long time :) 2011-12-19 13:38:47+0000 <antoviaque> hehehe 2011-12-19 13:38:54+0000 <blanchard> i'd love to see the avatars :) 2011-12-19 13:38:57+0000 <tartarugafeliz> me toooo mtyaka 2011-12-19 13:39:02+0000 <antoviaque> the game looks much better with them yep :D 2011-12-19 13:39:14+0000 <antoviaque> tomorrow will be on the test server 2011-12-19 13:39:16+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-12-19 13:39:20+0000 <blanchard> cool 2011-12-19 13:39:33+0000 <blanchard> eve, yesterday : nothing 2011-12-19 13:39:33+0000 <eve> Done: : nothing 2011-12-19 13:39:34+0000 <blanchard> eve, today : Admin (Finish taking care of closing Free and EDF at former office. Ask update to CNC (no news). Pay lawyer). Play a few CS games tomorrow morning. Serious Gaming (lunch tomorrow with boss of serious gaming @ ubisoft). 2011-12-19 13:39:34+0000 <eve> Next: : Admin (Finish taking care of closing Free and EDF at former office. Ask update to CNC (no news). Pay lawyer). Play a few CS games tomorrow morning. Serious Gaming (lunch tomorrow with boss of serious gaming @ ubisoft) 2011-12-19 13:39:34+0000 <blanchard> eve, blockers : no 2011-12-19 13:39:34+0000 <eve> Blockers: : no 2011-12-19 13:39:57+0000 <tartarugafeliz> \o/!!!! 2011-12-19 13:40:07+0000 <tartarugafeliz> this is so amazing designwise! :D 2011-12-19 13:40:09+0000 <antoviaque> ah yep would be good to have news from the CNC ;p 2011-12-19 13:40:18+0000 <blanchard> i want to test tomorrow :) 2011-12-19 13:40:19+0000 <tartarugafeliz> the players will be so happy! 2011-12-19 13:40:28+0000 <antoviaque> what do you have in mind for the ubisoft guy of serious games? : ) 2011-12-19 13:40:52+0000 <tartarugafeliz> good lucky blanchard!! :) 2011-12-19 13:41:04+0000 <tartarugafeliz> good luck I meant. not luckyyy 2011-12-19 13:41:04+0000 <antoviaque> lucky luck? 2011-12-19 13:41:07+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: dig into the needs of big companies to see how we could design an offer 2011-12-19 13:41:08+0000 <antoviaque> :p 2011-12-19 13:41:16+0000 <antoviaque> hehe, ok : ) 2011-12-19 13:41:28+0000 <tartarugafeliz> cool! 2011-12-19 13:41:44+0000 <antoviaque> you could talk about serious games based on cards which makes people work on their imagination 2011-12-19 13:41:44+0000 <mtyaka> eve: yesterday Reviewed some tasks by antoviaque in preparation for working more seriously on #555 (chat input blocks in FF). 2011-12-19 13:41:44+0000 <eve> Done: Reviewed some tasks by antoviaque in preparation for working more seriously on #555 (chat input blocks in FF) 2011-12-19 13:41:45+0000 <antoviaque> :p 2011-12-19 13:41:46+0000 <tartarugafeliz> you're going to play CS tomorrow morning?! :D that's cool! 2011-12-19 13:41:46+0000 <mtyaka> eve: today Finish reviewing the new authentication architecture, work on #555. 2011-12-19 13:41:46+0000 <eve> Next: Finish reviewing the new authentication architecture, work on #555 2011-12-19 13:41:47+0000 <mtyaka> eve: blockers None. 2011-12-19 13:41:47+0000 <eve> Blockers: None 2011-12-19 13:41:54+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'll be there to play with you blanchard! 2011-12-19 13:41:59+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: for instance generali (insurance). I know they're interested, i'd like to meet them to know more. I'm fishing for contacts currently. 2011-12-19 13:42:03+0000 <blanchard> tartarugafeliz: cool :) 2011-12-19 13:42:11+0000 <antoviaque> thanks for the reviews mtyaka! very helpful to have this feedback, spotted some good issues :) 2011-12-19 13:42:36+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: see if they need some team-building stuff too :D 2011-12-19 13:42:47+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: definitely 2011-12-19 13:42:52+0000 <antoviaque> and good lucky yep 2011-12-19 13:42:57+0000 <blanchard> decentralized company mentorship :p 2011-12-19 13:43:04+0000 <blanchard> we could help with that 2011-12-19 13:43:07+0000 <mtyaka> good lucky luck, blanchard 2011-12-19 13:43:11+0000 <antoviaque> hehe, definitely 2011-12-19 13:43:14+0000 <blanchard> hehe mtyaka :) 2011-12-19 13:43:31+0000 <antoviaque> we can give some video training with the beach in the background as an incentive 2011-12-19 13:43:36+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahah 2011-12-19 13:43:40+0000 <blanchard> haha 2011-12-19 13:43:52+0000 <mtyaka> :D 2011-12-19 13:43:55+0000 <tartarugafeliz> HAHAHAHAH STOP mtyaka AND antoviaque! 2011-12-19 13:43:57+0000 <tartarugafeliz> haahaahahahah 2011-12-19 13:43:58+0000 <antoviaque> :p 2011-12-19 13:44:29+0000 <blanchard> all this is a long shot though, I don't expect results in short term. But worth digging imho. 2011-12-19 13:44:48+0000 <antoviaque> yup, interesting leads at least - always start out that way : ) 2011-12-19 13:45:01+0000 <tartarugafeliz> good lucky blanchard! If you need me to help with you with anything just tell me ok? :D 2011-12-19 13:45:14+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeap I agree 2011-12-19 13:45:19+0000 <antoviaque> something else for today? 2011-12-19 13:45:25+0000 <blanchard> tartarugafeliz: thx a lot, I will : 2011-12-19 13:45:28+0000 <blanchard> :D 2011-12-19 13:45:29+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :) 2011-12-19 13:45:40+0000 <blanchard> not for me 2011-12-19 13:46:00+0000 <blanchard> have a nice nicey day all of you 2011-12-19 13:46:10+0000 <antoviaque> good night yes : ) 2011-12-19 13:46:20+0000 <antoviaque> eve: start dailymeeting 2011-12-19 13:46:20+0000 <eve> antoviaque: Sorry, meeting in progress. 2011-12-19 13:46:26+0000 <blanchard> night i mean for some of you yep :p 2011-12-19 13:46:26+0000 <antoviaque> graaa 2011-12-19 13:46:31+0000 <antoviaque> eve: end dailymeeting 2011-12-19 13:46:31+0000 <eve> Meeting Ended 2011-12-19 13:46:31+0000 <eve> Minutes available at http://paste.pocoo.org/show/523019 2011-12-19 13:47:22+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: did you notice my messages from this morning? about checking the spent time? 2011-12-19 13:47:35+0000 <antoviaque> uh no, let me see 2011-12-19 13:47:51+0000 <mtyaka> I'll paste.. 2011-12-19 13:47:57+0000 <antoviaque> ah saw 2011-12-19 13:48:02+0000 <antoviaque> sorry I missed it : ) 2011-12-19 13:48:08+0000 <antoviaque> I'm looking into it right now 2011-12-19 13:48:17+0000 <mtyaka> ok :) 2011-12-19 13:48:22+0000 <mtyaka> no problem 2011-12-19 13:50:33+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: all good yep - and no problem for extending #526 2011-12-19 13:50:43+0000 <antoviaque> and thanks for the good work on those btw : ) 2011-12-19 13:51:07+0000 <mtyaka> great, thank you! 2011-12-19 14:11:57+0000 mtyaka_ (mtyaka_) is now online 2011-12-19 14:14:14+0000 booneyhead (booneyhead) is now online 2011-12-19 14:14:37+0000 <booneyhead> soo..this is the card stories office? 2011-12-19 14:14:49+0000 <antoviaque> hey booneyhead : ) 2011-12-19 14:14:50+0000 <tartarugafeliz> welcome Alex!! 2011-12-19 14:14:52+0000 <antoviaque> yep it is! 2011-12-19 14:14:59+0000 <antoviaque> ohh, hello Alex :D 2011-12-19 14:15:03+0000 <antoviaque> cool to see you here! 2011-12-19 14:15:04+0000 <tartarugafeliz> mtyaka: blanchard 2011-12-19 14:15:08+0000 <booneyhead> hey guys!!! cool to actually be able to talk to you! 2011-12-19 14:15:17+0000 <tartarugafeliz> this is our beloved player Alex! :D 2011-12-19 14:15:32+0000 <mtyaka> hi Alex :) 2011-12-19 14:15:34+0000 <booneyhead> oh stop it..you make me sound dead 2011-12-19 14:15:35+0000 <booneyhead> lol 2011-12-19 14:15:41+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahaha 2011-12-19 14:15:50+0000 <booneyhead> and old on top of that 2011-12-19 14:16:07+0000 <booneyhead> I really wanted to thank you guys for all the hard work you are doing!!! 2011-12-19 14:16:21+0000 <antoviaque> aww, that's nice :D 2011-12-19 14:16:23+0000 <tartarugafeliz> see what I'm talking about guys? 2011-12-19 14:16:32+0000 <booneyhead> i wish i had half of the knowledge about coding and programming ... 2011-12-19 14:16:38+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: about the fact that you're getting old? 2011-12-19 14:16:47+0000 <booneyhead> who me? 2011-12-19 14:16:54+0000 <antoviaque> ahahaha - not tartarugafeliz :p 2011-12-19 14:16:58+0000 <antoviaque> making fun of her :D 2011-12-19 14:16:58+0000 <tartarugafeliz> noooo that she's beloooved you crazy guy 2011-12-19 14:17:04+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahahaha 2011-12-19 14:17:41+0000 <booneyhead> soo you guys are all over the world? 2011-12-19 14:17:48+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-12-19 14:18:00+0000 <booneyhead> any germans? 2011-12-19 14:18:02+0000 <antoviaque> here Thailand! (but French hehe :p) 2011-12-19 14:18:21+0000 <booneyhead> hmm thailand must be popular 2011-12-19 14:18:24+0000 <booneyhead> lol 2011-12-19 14:18:30+0000 <booneyhead> for the french people in your team 2011-12-19 14:18:35+0000 <antoviaque> dachary lives in Berlin : ) 2011-12-19 14:19:07+0000 <booneyhead> how cool!..well..i would hate to live in Berlin...lol...bad bad places there... 2011-12-19 14:19:36+0000 <antoviaque> oh really? I liked what I saw when I went there - was too cold for me but aside from that, nice place and people : ) 2011-12-19 14:19:38+0000 <booneyhead> dachary could have picked a much nicer place... 2011-12-19 14:19:45+0000 <antoviaque> hehehe 2011-12-19 14:20:05+0000 <booneyhead> well....we germans are generally nice.......(hint hint) 2011-12-19 14:20:18+0000 <antoviaque> very true : ) 2011-12-19 14:20:19+0000 <tartarugafeliz> true! 2011-12-19 14:20:39+0000 <booneyhead> unless..you meet me...LOL 2011-12-19 14:20:55+0000 <antoviaque> aww, false modesty? :p 2011-12-19 14:21:05+0000 <booneyhead> nah..just the truth 2011-12-19 14:21:06+0000 <booneyhead> lol 2011-12-19 14:21:21+0000 <tartarugafeliz> oh my dog here we go. ahahahahah 2011-12-19 14:21:35+0000 <booneyhead> dog? 2011-12-19 14:21:41+0000 <booneyhead> god backwards? 2011-12-19 14:21:54+0000 <antoviaque> dogs are more important than god for tartarugafeliz : ) 2011-12-19 14:22:01+0000 <booneyhead> i second that 2011-12-19 14:22:03+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeap just a little personality there, you know? :) 2011-12-19 14:22:15+0000 <tartarugafeliz> alex you need to vote. 2011-12-19 14:22:22+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahahah 2011-12-19 14:22:29+0000 <tartarugafeliz> we're waiting a long time for you its enough now 2011-12-19 14:22:43+0000 <booneyhead> ooops...sorry...well...i might pop in here again and totally mess up your perfect work day...lol 2011-12-19 14:23:01+0000 <booneyhead> have a great day and Merry Christmas (should I say dogmas to feliz?) 2011-12-19 14:23:12+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes please! 2011-12-19 14:23:15+0000 <antoviaque> booneyhead: feel free to stay as much as you want - you're very welcome there : ) 2011-12-19 14:23:23+0000 <tartarugafeliz> true!! :D 2011-12-19 14:23:26+0000 <booneyhead> awww thank you!!! 2011-12-19 14:23:29+0000 <booneyhead> ttyl 2011-12-19 14:23:46+0000 <antoviaque> see you! 2011-12-19 14:23:55+0000 <tartarugafeliz> thanks for coming Alex! <3 2011-12-19 14:24:00+0000 <booneyhead> anytime 2011-12-19 14:55:30+0000 <MCMic> blanchard: hi, do you know how it works for an "auto-entrepreneur" to charge for some work ? 2011-12-19 14:57:51+0000 <MCMic> antoviaque: about the time, I don't know, it seems to me it should go pretty quick, depends on what exact behaviour is expected. (I mean, the ticket says that google.com should match, that means that anything with some points in it should match, so does the system need to check if the url answers before to make it a link?) 2011-12-19 14:58:46+0000 <antoviaque> no, but probably at least make sure that the TLD exists to avoid false positive 2011-12-19 14:59:16+0000 <antoviaque> the task is voluntarily a bit open-ended actually - you have the idea of what the users expect, and it's up to you to make it work well :) 2011-12-19 15:00:38+0000 <antoviaque> for the time, don't understimate the time it will take you to get used to the archi and to meet the deliverable requirements 2011-12-19 15:01:05+0000 <antoviaque> for example, tests usually more than double the development time, and more if you're not used to TDD 2011-12-19 15:01:49+0000 <MCMic> right 2011-12-19 15:02:07+0000 <antoviaque> in any case, before staring, give your best guess and then we'll see : ) 2011-12-19 15:03:42+0000 <antoviaque> *starting 2011-12-19 15:06:01+0000 <MCMic> I'd say 8 hours 2011-12-19 15:37:08+0000 <blanchard> MCMic: sorry was afk. For auto-entrepreneur it's quite straightforward from what I know. If you are already registered you just need to create an invoice that follows the template they give on their website. 2011-12-19 15:37:18+0000 <blanchard> Is it the answer to your question ? 2011-12-19 15:40:03+0000 <MCMic> More or less yes. I just received the letter confirming I'm registered. I'm not sure the process is complete thought 2011-12-19 15:45:26+0000 <blanchard> Do you have a siret yet MCMic ? 2011-12-19 15:46:30+0000 <MCMic> yes 2011-12-19 15:46:48+0000 <MCMic> it was in the letter 2011-12-19 15:47:08+0000 <blanchard> then i think you're good to go, at least to make invoices. But i'm no expert, I don't use this system myself. 2011-12-19 16:12:49+0000 <antoviaque> MCMic: 8 hours seem good yep - it gives some leaway for you to get started, learn the archi and encounter a few roadblocks 2011-12-19 16:13:54+0000 <antoviaque> you said 250 euros for 8 hours, right? 2011-12-19 16:35:26+0000 <antoviaque> MCMic: ^ 2011-12-19 16:48:14+0000 <MCMic> antoviaque: That's what I charged last time I charged work days. But I had more fees at the time I think, I need to check auto-entrepreneur system 2011-12-19 18:28:55+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-12-19 18:38:51+0000 <MCMic> antoviaque: it seems I don't pay VAT so 8 hours and 200⬠is what I have in mind 2011-12-19 19:07:53+0000 dachary1 (dachary1) is now online 2011-12-19 19:51:14+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-12-19 21:03:36+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-12-19 21:26:16+0000 MCMic (MCMic) is now online
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