Hi Tonsai
A bit more explanation would be very helpful - don't you think so? On Nov 23, 8:11 pm, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > drupal :) Drupal, Joomla, TYPO3 and other CMS have all their own benefits. As a summary you could say: Joomla is a nice click and go box but it always stays a box with very hard borders. If you need a small (not of security trimmed site) and have no special wishes click and go with joomla ;-) But I really not recommend Joomla for sites which need to work with more then 1 editor. If you want to make Joomla more secure for more editors you can Hack the Core but then you won't be able to upgrade easily to a higher version ;-) The Belgium Drupal is nice for social networking. So if you wanna design an online community it might be a good system even out their are meanwhile much better online community systems then Drupal if you only need the community feature. The main problem in Drupal is the way they organise the content. Ok if you are a master of Taxonomy (the word is meaning order and arrangement) and Nodes then it might work out for you but I guess most editors don't know about a Taxonomy System at all and need to learn it from scratch. Taxonomy is good to group content and you can assign content o each other easy. Read more about Taxonomy here: If you have a site with only frontend editors this might not be a point but if you have to work with many backend editors its a problem and many are complaining about this and it needs lots of training to get thru it. TYPO3 does it much simpler. It is using the well known Folder/Filetree from any OS as a Pagetree and you can very easy move around pages and content. Additional they are using a Storage Folder Concept to store content like News or extension specific content. The other much bigger problem in HUGE sites is the rights management. In Joomla you better forget about this point at all. But also Drupal has no real role model and separation of admin and simple registered users. You can only choose rights for actions which is really unuseful in sights i.e. like the UNESCO site or sites of any bigger organisation with concerns in security! In TYPO3 you can assign each single thing to a special purpose/user/ role. i.e. if someone is allowed to click here ore there or is only able to read something vs to write something. The User rights Management of TYPO3 is the best you can get on the OpenSource CMS site beside Red Dot (which isn't Open Source). TYPO3 can be clustered, Backend and Frontend can even run on separate spaces, you can maintain your site via a remote site and if you have a look to the sites made with TYPO3 you will see that the ranges are endless what you can do with TYPO3. This is the main fact why in Europe more and more Companies and Organizations switch to TYPO3. There is also a faster growing TYPO3 Market in US and also in China! Check out some of the TYPO3 agencies in Germany or Netherlands and you will see that this is simply a totally other dimension of business the TYPO3 people are working in - compared to those working with drupal and joomla. In Terms of Compatibilty you will often face huge problems with Drupal as many modules are not backward compatible. Also uploading Modules is more complicated. In Joomla most modules are backward compatible and in TYPO3 you can very easy upgrade your plugins and extensions by the integrated extension manager. It allows you also to switch back to a former version! Templates: If you are looking for Drupal Templates it is quite boring to find some free one. In Joomla you have lots and colorful but most of them are not backward compatible. In TYPO3 you have some free one and since WEC we have over hundreds of easy to install, customizable free Templates. Future Development: Drupal: Dries Buytart (Drupal Lead Developer): Drupal never had an official roadmap, and will never have one. People perceive a roadmap as a list of formal deliverables; they feel stranded when the roadmap is changed, and get upset when functionality is not completed in time. Volunteer-driven projects like Drupal can't make any guarantees. Things happen, or not. Code is ready, when it's ready. Volunteer- driven projects don't mix well with official roadmaps. ------ This is causing problems for future developments as it s't really sure what is going on in future and where the road might go. But companies and organizations need a CMS which is also reliable in future developments ;-) ------ In Joomla you have a roadmap but until now - even since all those years since Joomla get parted from Mambo there is absolutly no steadiness and with each new realease you need to fear that you have to start new. ------ In TYPO3 a roadmap is existing and there are regular reports about what is going on. This gives companies lots of security for future investments. http://typo3.org/development/roadmap/ http://typo3.org/development/roadmap/berlin-manifesto/ http://jeffsegars.com/2008/10/19/frontend-editing-for-typo3-43/ Another big plus of TYPO3 is the Management of Digital Assets and the possibility to edit your pictures in the Backend if needed. By the way TYPO3 is available in THAI! But which CMS should I use for what? 1.) You want to run a small private site and you don't need a real blog and are happy with an english backend then run Joomla, if you also want to run a blog then run Drupal. (or even better run eZ- Publish - have a look at the end of this text) 2.) You want to run a private or business site where many users could contribute text then run your site in Drupal if you don't need to secure your content somehow. Every normal user is allowed to edit his own content. Don't use TYPO3 for this purpose if you don't have much time to build up this site. If you are ineterested that even different usergroups can submit content via sms, mms, life video and more then I recommend you eZ-Publish. It is way better for this purpose then any other CMS. 3.) You want to build up a site for SME or Organisation where different users should have different rights and areas where they will be able to access and edit or read content. You want perhaps even combine an Intranet with your site. For this purpose I recommend Red Dot (if you have the necessary "small amount of funds" :-) or TYPO3 (Open Source and free upgrades and Thousands of free mdules) - You need to calculate a bit more time to get your site well organized with all user rights and features (as there are simply many options you have to consider about) - If you don't care about this and want to have a site now you can also try Drupal but for sure the security and user rights management will cause you lots of headaches and perhaps even much more time then the complete site in TYPO3 would take. Also here eZ-Publish - especially eZ-Flow combined with the Newsletter and eCommerce module might be the right mix you would need. An eZ-Flow site takes about 30 Minutes to set up and Customization can start. 4.) You want to build up a website but don't have much knowledge about any CMS Best choose a qualified Agency and ask them what they would recommend for your purpose. If you still want to build your site by yourself you can use an Agency which offers continues assistance and training. i.e. You could use the WEC-Starter Package - comes along with News, Forum, iCalendar, Staff Directory, Guest Book, Smooth Gallery, Job Board, Podcasting, Blog, Discussion and Commenting on sites, Simple Google Map, Frontend User Map, ePresentation, Flash Player and much more - (it has already 80 Templates integrated which you can click clack site by site or for whole branches) or i.e. use T3Pack which is based on WEC-Starter Package but it is already customized for the needs of SME, Companies and Organizations. Additional to the above mentioned features it comes along with Organisation Chart, Wiki, Yellow Pages (incl Google Map, different size of adds xs - xxl), Memberpages/Management, Real Estate/Rental Manager with integrated Gallery, Big Job Board, Classifieds, Seminars/ Conference Manager, Music Manager, Video Gallery, Galleries with eCard, send News Feature, Tip a Friend and more - all features are easily to activate and deactivate by a simple click in the Feature Manager, Instead of building up a site from scratch we just go the other way and deliver a working site which gets customized. This way the customer can start working on his site already on the second day (actually after 3 hours if he host with us) He will be guided thru the whole development process by online "on the job" training. Additional to the above mentioned templates these sites come along with over 150 ready to use templates (soon much more) which then can be customized easily. or use one of the Drupal Microsites if you only need a site to be set up in the next couple of hours and you won't need no future extension of this site. or use eZ-Flow or eZ-Publish which have a way better backend than TYPO3 and Drupal - it has a very good user rights management - fulfils all criteria for a community, social networking website, it is maintained by an open source company which ensures you a very stable and reliable coding and development, It is easy to setup and it has multimedia features you need to install in drupal or TYPO3 separate. On the other hand you should know what you are doing as the free communities like you know them from TYPO3 or Drupal are simply missing or not really helpful. -------- The future in most CMS development will be the usability for the customer and NOT the one for the developer. People will focus more and more on SERVICE and continues Service and Training. This was a big manko in the past years especially in the open source sector but it changes more and more as you can see on support models of Magento / Silverstripe / eZ-Publish / and many others will follow. Our big chance here in Thailand is actually to get these or similar combined support models running from Thailand. Therefore we need a much much better English proficiency, we need "on time" agile development and we need to meet international standards and biggest demand - we need to have enough qualified human resources which are able to work with Frameworks - (so perhaps the education has to take more care about this! More Zend / Varien / eZFlow/ Flow3 instead of cobol ;-) Thailand has a very good geographical situation as a hub to reach out to China which will be the biggest market in the next couple of years. Unfortunately at the moment it seems that it is only using 25% or less of its current IT potential. Why? Andi --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Barcamp Thailand" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/barcamp-thailand?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
