On Sunday 08 March 2015 16.44:13 Marco van Wieringen wrote:
> Bruno Friedmann <friedmann.bruno <at> gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > 
> > Hello Bareos users.
> > 
> > I've a case where the customer would like to have its backup media
> > stored on an external qnap nas.
> > The nas is setup to export one volume by iscsi (the volume being a
> > local raid5)
> > 
> Why use ISCSI that is about the worst overhead possible putting
> a filesystem on top of that.
Well the inexpensive less intrusive to what was there I guess :-)
> QNAP is Linux so you could just compile
> the SD to run natively on the server and forget about all the nasty
> overhead. If you run a filesystem over ISCSI I think NFS will be just
> as bad when the link get dropped. Unless you do ISCSI with failover etc
> but I guess you have only one network path anyway.
QNAP is based on linux, but compiling and maintaining it for 1 is not worth the 
effort.
Plus if it would certainly with a synology one port to several community or 
even subscription
then I think we should probably think of it. But I would like to build it the 
way the rest of
bareos is build and tested with obs+travis. 
An idea how to get that ?

> 
> > I can attach easily an openSUSE bareos small computer to that
> > iscsi storage.
> > Now my question is what kind of filesystem would you use with
> > which option ?
> > 
> One that is resilient to underlying problems, I have seen ext2/ext3 go
> crazy and into readonly mode on cluster all the time so those for sure
> not as remote filesystem.  
you certainly want to know that ext4 is behaving the same :-)
> 
> > I know that xfs is good, but I'm concerned by what could
> > happen on network errors.
> Consistency of xfs and ext4 is about as much as what fsck can fix and
> that is metadata only most of the time. e.g. your directory entries look
> fine but you could have lost data all over the place.
Yeap some file are there, but no more bareos/bacula volume .... 
Thanks to crappy hardware. 

> > Should I go to btrfs, I'm not familiar with, so what kind of
> > advise you would give if using that one.
> > What about the copy-on-write etc?
> > 
> At least it means that your filesystem will always be consistent
> as to what consistency means that kind of is determined by the crash
> it gets to handle.
> 
> > I'm still less skilled to install a ZFS which I certainly should 
> No idea how its on Linux but ZFS at least is proven. Then again running
> it on ISCSI would not be my choice, it will determine corruptions just
> as BTRFS but as to if its possible it depends on what setup you used
> mirrored or raidzX is a requirement for it to fix anything otherwise it
> will only say you have corrupted data and as the data is also check summed
> its questionable what extra it brings. 
Thanks for the tips, it just confirm the fact that if you want ZFS seriously
you have at least 2 nodes of storage with preferably 2 network path.

Well playing in soho market is always fun. They want the top for -less :-)
At least convinced to have a subscription ;-)

In fact most of the time, the problems are coming from bad hardware. and those 
are becoming
more and more are to find (firmware interaction, with nas os etc ... )

Sunday blues ... Thanks.
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Bruno Friedmann 
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