Dear Martyn,
thank you for your answer, to which I fully agree. Actually I was only
refering to Stone's overview on concerted works by Weiss, without assuming
that they were duets. In his published reconstruction of the lute concerti
(recent researches in the music of the baroque era, 136, a-r editions) he
gives a list of 19 still extant chamber music works (appendix 1), where
the Salzburg trios are included, but with a numbering that partly doesn't
match other catalogues. (Appendix 2 and 3 list references to 24 to 70
works presumed lost, and five extant, but dubious works.)
How many of the 50 pieces in Salzburg would you think are of the
colla-parte-type?
Regards,
Stephan
Am 28.11.2010, 10:49 Uhr, schrieb Martyn Hodgson
<hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>:
I have a copy of the Salzburg Lautencodex Ms III 25 which contains
these Weiss works (mostly for liutho, violino and basso but only the
lute tablature survives). Other composers include: Meckh,
Block(Bloch),
Lauf(f)ensteiner, Bohr.
I have no evidence that the Weiss pieces in this Ms were originally
composed as duets for two lutes and think it more likely they were
originally solos (many have concordances with solo sources) with
string
treble and bass added (by Weiss or others?) as was the fashion at the
time. Many of the pieces by other composers may have been conceived as
concerted works in the first place since the lute parts often have
passages of continuo type texture. I don't have the LSA journal you
mention so can't comment on the numbering.
Incidentally I think we need to be careful in assuming that any part
labelled 'Basso' in this repertoire implies a keyboard instrument as
well as a melodic bass (such as bass violin, cello etc): I think it
more likely that no keyboard was expected (compare with extant trios
for lute, violin basso)
MH
--- On Sun, 28/11/10, Stephan Olbertz <stephan.olbe...@web.de> wrote:
From: Stephan Olbertz <stephan.olbe...@web.de>
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Weiss duets for lute and harpsichord
To: "baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Date: Sunday, 28 November, 2010, 9:29
Am 22.11.2010, 13:49 Uhr, schrieb Nicolas Valencia
<[1]nivalenl...@gmail.com>:
> Dear all,
>
>
> According to Richard Stone's article, "Weiss's Concerted Music: A
> Catalogue with Commentary", published in the latest LSA Journal,
some
> duets by Weiss include alternate instrumentations, i.e. lute &
flute,
> lute & lute or lute & harpsichord, although only the lute part
> survived.
I have Stones edition of the Weiss Lute Concerti here, and I guess the
article draws on the introduction there? Unfortunately some of the SC
numbers Stone gives for the Salzburg Lautencodex pieces don't match
the
numbers in the catalogues on the SLWeiss-site.
For example, Stone has SC 27 + 57 for no. III, the catalogues 27 +
52.
For no. V Stone has SC 68, aginst 69 in the web incipits.
And so on.
Can anyone shed some light on this?
Best regards,
Stephan
BTW: Does anyone have the Salzburg MS (M III 25)? I can' find it
indexed on the website of the library.
>
>
> I know Stone, Schroeder and Cardin's reconstructions for flute &
lute
> and lute & lute, but I was wondering if there's any lute &
harpsichord
> recording of these duets. Any other composer wrote for both
> instruments?
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Nicolas
>
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