For f'' read f' .................
MH
--- On Sat, 24/9/11, Martyn Hodgson <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Martyn Hodgson <[email protected]>
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: v Radolt's lutes again
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>,
"[email protected]" <[email protected]>, "Christopher
Pearcy" <[email protected]>
Date: Saturday, 24 September, 2011, 9:14
Dear Chris,
Thank you for this.
Our paper suggested a 'reicht grosse ordinari Lautten' (proper large
common lute) in the nominal Dm tuning at 72cm - which, based on the
breaking stress of gut, indicates a pitch of the first course (at
nominal f'') a whole tone below A440 ie at A392: - I'm not sure how
you
deduce from this that we suggest that such a sized lute would have
its
first course at c' at A467 (this would give a first course nominal
pitch at A392 of only d#' not f'' as we suggest).
Regarding your Frei instrument the usual advice might be best: tune
it
so that the first course is as close to breaking as practical (ie
without breaking too frequently).
MH
.--- On Fri, 23/9/11, Christopher Pearcy
<[1][email protected]>
wrote:
From: Christopher Pearcy <[2][email protected]>
Subject: RE: [BAROQUE-LUTE] v Radolt's lutes again
To: "Martyn Hodgson" <[3][email protected]>,
"[4][email protected]"
<[5][email protected]>,
"[6][email protected]" <[7][email protected]>
Date: Friday, 23 September, 2011, 19:04
Thank you Martyn and Andreas
However this leaves me even more puzzled. If v Radolt's reicht
grosse
ordinari lautten is a pretty standard German lute of around 72cm and
its chanterelle is tuned at c1 at A467 it would be working well
below
its working tension (breaking tension minus 2 or 3 semitones). Might
the mittere lautten be the the 'standard' lute and the grosse
ordinari
lautten be ordinari because it's an 11c lute and not a theorbo
(another
sort of grosse lautten) and grosse because it's above 'standard'
size
(like some of the Edlinger lutes)? This of course questions what
chor,
cornet and kammer - ton were in 1701 in Vienna - unless the strings
played at a very high pitch, but that would probably cause problems
in
terms of the working tension of the violins. What solution does
Hubert
Hoffmann offer?
My original question was to help me decide on a pitch for my small
Frei
but I think this may be muddying the waters. Please feel free to
ignore
this line of puzzling if you find it irritating.
Best wishes
Chris
__________________________________________________________________
From: Martyn Hodgson [[8][email protected]]
Sent: 23 September 2011 08:48
To: [9][email protected]; Christopher Pearcy
Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] v Radolt's lutes again
See the paper by Bill Samson and myself (FoMRHI Comm 737 - available
from the FoMRHI archives) about Von Radolt's instructions.
Regarding the sizes of the lutes, the instructions suggest various
sizes of 11 course lutes lute ranging from approx 54cm string length
(Radolt's very small lute) through a middle sized lute around 61 cm
to
his proper common lute at 72cm.
The likely pitch (discussed in the paper) is determind by the
instrument's string length and tensile strength of gut.
MH
--- On Fri, 23/9/11, Christopher Pearcy
<[10][email protected]>
wrote:
From: Christopher Pearcy <[11][email protected]>
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] v Radolt's lutes again
To: "[12][email protected]"
<[13][email protected]>
Date: Friday, 23 September, 2011, 8:29
Dear all
If anyone has a copy of the v. Radolt lute concerti, could you
tell
me
what are the (nominal) pitches of his 3 lutes in relation to the
string
parts. I'm looking at alternative pitching for my small Frei -
and
this
may give me additional data to add to breaking index and pitch
standards.
Thanks in anticipation.
Chris
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