> Hi Bill, This is indeed a fascinating subject (hence the change of > heading). I am told variously that the 1722 Wenger has a string length > of 76 or 77cm. It may at some stage have been converted (from a > gallichon perhaps?) to a 13 course lute before the present > manifestation as an 11 course instrument . Again see earlier editions > of Lute News for more information/views. The preferred instruments at > the time (ie converted early 16th cenury Italian lutes) generally had > a string length of 68 +/-2cm. See Lute News 94, page 28 which outlines > the principle sources of evidence for the size of lutes preferred in > mid/late 17th century France).
I was as foolhardy as to choose the Wolf lute in Füssen (63 cm) for not only Mace, but also Panmure (4, 5, 8), Pierre Gaultier, Dufaut, Bouvier, Mesangeau et al. The music gets a light and bright touch, and I do like it very much. Mace has kinda fixed pitches and possibly mirrors habits of the 1640ies in French-influenced England. Mathias > But bear in mind (as Lute News notes) > "Of course, this is not to say that it is 'wrong' to play the music on > such a large lute and, indeed, the French repertoire whilst being > challenging for interpretation (precise phrasing, accent, > articulation, mannerisms and the like), is much less demanding for the > left hand and a large instrument is clearly quite possible: it's more > a question of what the Old Ones themselves might have expected". > Incidentally, I make no comment one way or the other on Anthony > Bailes's performance. regards Martyn PS the CD of music played on > this instrument which I reported as being out over a year ago in fact > refers to a previous CD played on the same instrument......... --- On > Fri, 16/3/12, William Samson <[2]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > From: William Samson <[3]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: > [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD To: "Martyn Hodgson" > <[4]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>, "[5]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" > <[6]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>, "Edward Martin" > <[7]e...@gamutstrings.com> Date: Friday, 16 March, 2012, 8:33 Hi > Martyn, Do you know what the string length of the Wenger is? > Bill From: Martyn Hodgson <[1][8]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> > To: [2][9]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Edward Martin > <[3][10]e...@gamutstrings.com> Sent: Friday, 16 March 2012, 8:08 > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD Dear Edward, > Thank you for this notice: in fact this CD has been out in Europe > for over a year. Unfortunately, as Anthony Bailes later > agreed (see letters in Lute News from No 94, August 2010 > on), the large Wenger lute used on the recording (if indeed it > was built as a lute and not a gallichon - the instruments for > which Wenger was best known) is not the most suitable (or > appropriate) type of instrument for playing the mid/late 17th > century French repertoire. As you'll know, conversions of early 16th > century Italian instruments were then the most highly regarded. > Indeed, in Lute News 95 Anthony Bailes writes: '......a lute the > size of the Wenger should not find acceptance as being ideal for > the performance of 17th century French lute music,......' > regards Martyn --- On Fri, 16/3/12, Edward Martin > <[1][4][11]e...@gamutstrings.com> wrote: From: Edward Martin > <[2][5][12]e...@gamutstrings.com> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Ne > Anthony Bailes CD To: [3][6][13]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu > Date: Friday, 16 March, 2012, 2:50 Dear Ones, For > those on the list who enjoy well played 11-course French baroque > lute, there is a new release by Abthony Bailes, on the Ramee > label. it is entitled, 'Une Douceur violente", and it contains works > of Mouton and Gallot. He recorded this program on his authentic > lute by Georgi Ferdinand Wenger, Augsburg, 1722. The catalog > number is RAM 1104, and it is available in the USA, in usual > outlets. This is an announcement, not a review. The instrument > is a large one, and the pitch is consequently quite low, at a70, > in essence making it in a b-minor tuning. Beautiful sound and > playing, highly recommended. ed Edward Martin > 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 > e-mail: [1][4][7][14]e...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202 > > [2][5][8][15]http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id60298871&ref=name > [3][6][9][16]http://www.myspace.com/edslute > [4][7][10][17]http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martin To get > on or off this list see list information at > [5][8][11][18]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > -- References 1. > > [9][12][19]http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to%C3%AD@gamuts > tri > n gs.com 2. > [10][13][20]http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id60298871&ref=name > 3. 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