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Chris, A couple of years (or so) ago I asked about the chords in a Preludio for Tiorbas In NB 17706. There are small numbers (either a 2 or a 3) below some chordal passages (containing various numbers of notes) that are clearly not marks to indicate a bass course - tho' some figures are (ie a 7 and a 5). I speculated it may refer to how to break up each chord but, to be frank I couldn't make much sense of it. Neither did I receive any replies! Here is a scan of the relevant page. Martyn --- On Thu, 17/5/12, Christopher Wilke <[email protected]> wrote: From: Christopher Wilke <[email protected]> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Arpeggio question To: "Bernd Haegemann" <[email protected]> Cc: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu List" <[email protected]>, "baroque Lutelist" <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, 17 May, 2012, 12:45 Bernd, This is a tricky thing. Usually, I try to find a pattern written out in some other lute solo. Karl-Ernst Schroeder did a very good survey of the ones found in Weiss sonatas. (I don't remember the source off the top of my head.) I find a strict pattern to be uninteresting, however, and so I occasionally vary the base pattern for effect when the progression is interesting or when there's an especially dissonant chord. I usually keep a consistent number of notes in each chord. Who knows if this is really correct? Many times the arpeggio sections are unmeasured and the very fact that a pattern was not specified on the page may imply that a more rhapsodic and personally idiosyncratic approach was intended. For progressions in which the number of notes varies, you could always make a patchwork of patterns utilizing each grouping from various existing solos, such as Schroeder compiled. Or you could follow your own muse and see where it takes you. Chris Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer www.christopherwilke.com --- On Thu, 5/17/12, Bernd Haegemann <[email protected]> wrote: From: Bernd Haegemann <[email protected]> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Arpeggio question To: Cc: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu List" <[email protected]>, "baroque Lutelist" <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, May 17, 2012, 5:17 AM Dear all, sometimes we find in baroque lute music chains of chords, notated evenly as it seems and with the mark "arpeggio" or "arp". Now, if the chain looked like this (with n being the number of notes in the chord) 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 or 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 one would think of some arpeggio scheme to use it in such a passage. But what the number of notes in the chords looks like this 5 5 5 5 5 5 3 3 3 2 3 3 4 6 6 5 4 4 4 or so? What would you do? Thank you for your hints! best regards Bernd To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --1386533404-137319751-1337257701=:5336 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><DIV>Chris,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A couple of years (or so) ago I asked about the chords in a Preludio for Tiorbas In NB 17706. There are small numbers (either a 2 or a 3) below some chordal passages (containing various numbers of notes) that are clearly not marks to indicate a bass course - tho' some figures are (ie a 7 and a 5). I speculated it may refer to how to break up each chord but, to be frank I couldn't make much sense of it. Neither did I receive any replies! Here is a scan of the relevant page.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Martyn<BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 17/5/12, Christopher Wilke <I><[email protected]></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Christopher Wilke <[email protected]><BR>Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Arpeggio question<BR>To: "Bernd Haegemann" <[email protected]><BR>Cc: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu List" <[email protected]>, "baroque Lutelist" <[email protected]><BR>Date: Thursday, 17 May, 2012, 12:45<BR><BR> <DIV class=plainMail> Bernd,<BR> This is a tricky thing. Usually, I try to find a pattern written<BR> out in some other lute solo. Karl-Ernst Schroeder did a very good<BR> survey of the ones found in Weiss sonatas. (I don't remember the source<BR> off the top of my head.) I find a strict pattern to be uninteresting,<BR> however, and so I occasionally vary the base pattern for effect when<BR> the progression is interesting or when there's an especially dissonant<BR> chord. I usually keep a consistent number of notes in each chord. Who<BR> knows if this is really correct? Many times the arpeggio sections are<BR> unmeasured and the very fact that a pattern was not specified on the<BR> page may imply that a more rhapsodic and personally idiosyncratic<BR> approach was intended.<BR> For progressions in which the number of notes varies, you could<BR> always make a patchwork of patterns utilizing each grouping from<BR> various existing solos, such as Schroeder compiled. Or you could follow<BR> your own muse and see where it takes you.<BR> Chris<BR> Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A.<BR> Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer<BR> www.christopherwilke.com<BR> --- On Thu, 5/17/12, Bernd Haegemann <<A href="http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]"; ymailto="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</A>> wrote:<BR><BR> From: Bernd Haegemann <<A href="http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]"; ymailto="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</A>><BR> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Arpeggio question<BR> To:<BR> Cc: "lute-cs.dartmouth.edu List" <<A href="http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]"; ymailto="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</A>>, "baroque<BR> Lutelist" <<A href="http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]"; ymailto="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</A>><BR> Date: Thursday, May 17, 2012, 5:17 AM<BR><BR> Dear all,<BR> sometimes we find in baroque lute music chains of chords, notated<BR> evenly as it seems and with the mark "arpeggio" or "arp".<BR> Now, if the chain looked like this (with n being the number of notes in<BR> the chord)<BR> 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4<BR> or<BR> 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5<BR> one would think of some arpeggio scheme to use it in such a passage.<BR> But what the number of notes in the chords looks like this<BR> 5 5 5 5 5 5 3 3 3 2 3 3 4 6 6 5 4 4 4<BR> or so?<BR> What would you do?<BR> Thank you for your hints!<BR> best regards<BR> Bernd<BR> To get on or off this list see list information at<BR> [1]<A href="http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html"; target=_blank>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html</A><BR><BR> --<BR><BR>References<BR><BR> 1. <A href="http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html"; target=_blank>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html</A><BR><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></table> --1386533404-137319751-1337257701=:5336-- --
