I really love 14 course baroque lutes. That low G is heavenly. Ive got
   three liuto attiorbatos that are -15- double courses. The 15th course
   can be C,D or E, depending on the key you're playin.

   At present my very favorite of all lutes are liuto attiorbatos with
   octaves on the basses. And my least favorite lute? An attiorbato with
   single basses. Seriously-- why, but why??

   Sterling

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   -------- Original message --------
   From: David Van Edwards <da...@vanedwards.co.uk>
   Date: 2/13/18 7:52 AM (GMT-07:00)
   To: baroque-lute <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Cc: Luca Manassero <l...@manassero.net>
   Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Christian Hoffmann, 14 course
   swan-neck     lute  in Leipzing

   I forgot that this list doesn't show images so here's a link instead
   to the monster. Beware!
   http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/Hoffmann.htm
   David
   At 14:21 +0000 13/2/18, David Van Edwards wrote:
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   >Nothing like this monster though. Body width 335 Depth 233
   >
   >
   >David
   >
   >At 12:21 +0000 13/2/18, Martyn Hodgson wrote:
   >>     Two other well known lutes by Johann Christian in the Brussels
   >>     collection are fairly deep too, having a depth greater than half
   the
   >>     width (roughly 0.57):
   >>     Leipzig 1716 eleven course (M 1559): body length 495; width 323;
   depth
   >>     185
   >>     Leipzig 1730 thirteen course with bass rider (M 3188): 496;
   322; 181
   >>     regards
   >>     Martyn
   >>
   __________________________________________________________________
   >>
   >>     From: Luca Manassero <l...@manassero.net>
   >>     To: baroque-lute <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   >>     Sent: Monday, 12 February 2018, 18:08
   >>     Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Johann Christian Hoffman n, 14 course
   swan-neck
   >>     lute in Leipzing
   >>       Dear common wisdom,
   >>       a couple of years ago I stumbled upon the Leipzig Museum
   website,
   >>       planned to visit their Hoffman exhibition (but had to pass on
   it,
   >>       unfortunately) - then one day realized that the pictured
   Hoffmann
   >>       swan-neck lute they recently acquired (2012, says the YouTube
   video)
   >>       mounts 14 courses: 8 fretted and 6 at the second pegbox (2x1,
   6x2,
   >>       6x2).
   >>       See
   [1][1]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php: it's
   >>     the
   >>       first instrument pictured under Johann Christian Hoffmann'
   section on
   >>       the page.
   >>       It's a really strange instrument with an incredibly deep body
   (it
   >>     must
   >>       be uneasy to hold, or at least it looks so).
   >>       I'm sure the book about Hoffmann they sell
   >>
   >>
   ([2][2]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christia
   >>     n-h
   >>       offmann.html) has all the measures about that instrument, but
   that
   >>     book
   >>       is really kind of expensive. The Museum's website doesn't talk
   about
   >>       string length and date on this lute (I do read German and
   couldn't
   >>     find
   >>       the infos anywhere on the website)
   >>       The YouTube video on the same page shows a German lutenist
   (Sven
   >>       Schwannberger, I think) playing a swan-neck lute, which is of
   course
   >>       not the original Hoffmann lute, as it shows 13 courses, as
   usual.
   >>       Anybody out there who has more details about it?
   >>       Thanks a lot,
   >>       Luca
   >>       --
   >>     References
   >>       1. [3]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php
   >>       2.
   >>
   [4]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-ho
   >>     ffmann.html
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   >>References
   >>
   >>     Visible links
   >>     1. http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php:
   >>     2.
   http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-h
   >>     3. http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php
   >>     4.
   >>http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-hof
   fmann.html
   >>     5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   >>     6.
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   >>
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   ><div>Nothing like this monster though. Body width 335 Depth 233</div>
   ><div><img src="cid:p06240802d6a8a4155281@[192.168.0.10].1.0"></div>
   ><div><br></div>
   ><div>David</div>
   ><div><br></div>
   ><div>At 12:21 +0000 13/2/18, Martyn Hodgson wrote:</div>
   ><blockquote type="cite" cite>&nbsp;&nbsp; Two other well known lutes
   >by Johann Christian in the Brussels<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp; collection are fairly deep too, having a depth greater
   >than half the<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp; width (roughly 0.57):<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp; Leipzig 1716 eleven course (M 1559): body length 495;
   >width 323; depth<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp; 185<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp; Leipzig 1730 thirteen course with bass rider (M 3188):
   >496;&nbsp; 322; 181<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp; regards<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp; Martyn<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
   >__________________________________________________________________<br>
   ><br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp; From: Luca Manassero &lt;l...@manassero.net&gt;<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp; To: baroque-lute
   >&lt;baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu&gt;<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp; Sent: Monday, 12 February 2018, 18:08<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp; Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Johann Christian Hoffman n, 14
   >course swan-neck<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp; lute in Leipzing<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Dear common wisdom,<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; a couple of years ago I stumbled upon the
   >Leipzig Museum website,<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; planned to visit their Hoffman exhibition
   >(but had to pass on it,<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; unfortunately) - then one day realized that
   >the pictured Hoffmann<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; swan-neck lute they recently acquired (2012,
   >says the YouTube video)<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; mounts 14 courses: 8 fretted and 6 at the
   >second pegbox (2x1, 6x2,<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 6x2).<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; See
   >[1][1]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php: it's<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp; the<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; first instrument pictured under Johann
   >Christian Hoffmann' section on<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the page.<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It's a really strange instrument with an
   >incredibly deep body (it<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp; must<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; be uneasy to hold, or at least it looks
   >so).<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm sure the book about Hoffmann they
   >sell<br>
   ><br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp;
   >([2][2]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christ<
   span
   >></span>ia<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp; n-h<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; offmann.html) has all the measures about that
   >instrument, but that<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp; book<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; is really kind of expensive. The Museum's
   >website doesn't talk about<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; string length and date on this lute (I do
   >read German and couldn't<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp; find<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the infos anywhere on the website)<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The YouTube video on the same page shows a
   >German lutenist (Sven<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Schwannberger, I think) playing a swan-neck
   >lute, which is of course<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; not the original Hoffmann lute, as it shows
   >13 courses, as usual.<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Anybody out there who has more details about
   >it?<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks a lot,<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Luca<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; --<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp; References<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1.
   >[3]http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2.<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp;
   >[4]http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-<
   span
   >></span>ho<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp; ffmann.html<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp; To get on or off this list see list information at<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp;
   >[5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html<br>
   ><br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp; Virus-free. [6]www.avast.com<br>
   ><br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp; --<br>
   ><br>
   >References<br>
   ><br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp; Visible links<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp; 1.
   >http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php:<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp; 2.
   >http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-h<br
   >>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp; 3.
   >http://mfm.uni-leipzig.de/dt/Forschung/hoffmannn.php<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp; 4.
   >http://www.hofmeister-musikverlag.com/martin-und-johann-christian-hof<
   span
   >></span>fmann.html<br>
   >&nbsp;&nbsp; 5.
   >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html<br>
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   pan
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   pan
   >></span>&amp;utm_campaign=sig-email&amp;utm_content=webmail<br>
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   >file://localhost/net/ifs-users/lute-arc/L12540-3579TMP.html#DAB4FAD8-<
   span
   >></span>2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2</blockquote>
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