Bruce,
Silverlight is a very new technology that is yet to attain its true market position. So its not the same thing to compare it to a technology that is several years old and has probably peaked some time ago. -JCT From: Bruce Rindahl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 14 October 2008 07:18 To: batik-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org Subject: Re: SVG is alive, was: Re: Why is Batik so complex? John All true but I have to ask. If the 85% of IE users means SVG is up against a brick wall doesn't that also mean Silverlight is up against the same brick wall vs. Flash since 85% of users that haven't installed Silverlight?? http://riastats.com/# <http://riastats.com/> Bruce John C. Turnbull wrote: It's nice to see so much interest in SVG but the fact remains that well over 85% of all browser users do not have access to SVG because it is not supported by IE. We can all hope that other browsers will increase their market share but Microsoft controls the browser market and SVG will never be as popular as competing technologies until they support it in their products. And that's just not going to happen when they market their own alternative technology. -JCT -----Original Message----- From: Andreas Neumann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 14 October 2008 02:01 To: batik-users@xmlgraphics.apache.org Subject: SVG is alive, was: Re: Why is Batik so complex? I can only confirm that interest about SVG is alive and growing. At the SVG Open conference (http://www.svgopen.org/2008/) in August in Nuremberg we had presence from all browser makers, except Microsoft. A lot of important mobile phone companies had been around. Inkscape was present as well as KDE. If you look at the SVG Open speakers list you will see that a number of important companies, universities and research institutes presented at the SVG Open developers conference. SVG is even used to visualize results and state of the world biggest machine, the Large Hadron Collider in Geneva. KDE4 uses SVG a lot and I think it is for KDE's and SVG's benefit that a whole desktop environment builds around SVG and CSS. The Inkscape and KDE developers also promised to be more actively involved with the SVG specification process. They did a number of extensions to SVG which should now be standardized in the main SVG specs. If you look at graphics and multimedia software in the Open Source universe you will find SVG all over the place. In addition, almost all Ajax libraries use SVG/VML, and SVG support was voted as the number one missing feature in Internet Explorer among the OpenAjax developers (http://www.openajax.org/runtime/wiki/Summary_Report#The_Top_Requested_ Features) Finally, Tim Berners-Lee publically criticized Microsoft for the lack of SVG support in IE - which is a remarkable step, since Tim Berners-Lee usually does not comment on preferred browsers and usually does not criticize browser makers (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26646919/). Andreas Thus spake "Mikael": There are a lot of people using SVG, and SVG is the only "real" vector = graphics standard that exist*, almost all browsers except one has SVG = support in one form or another (Safari, Firefox, Chrome, Opera and so = on), Microsoft will off course do everything they can to avoid having to = support SVG and it was a bit nasty of Adobe to stop supporting the SVG = plugin though. Given that there are several popular SVG illustration programs (e.g., Inkscape), there's a huge community of people making icons in SVG, SVG is nice to work with, and there's no plausible competitor, I wouldn't worry about SVG going away any time soon. -- J. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: batik-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: batik-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Andreas Neumann Böschacherstrasse 6, CH-8624 Grüt/Gossau, Switzerland Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Web: * http://www.carto.net/ (Carto and SVG resources) * http://www.carto.net/neumann/ (personal page) * http://www.svgopen.org/ (SVG Open Conference) * http://www.geofoto.ch/ (Georeferenced Photos of Switzerland) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: batik-users- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
