On Feb 15, 2005, at 6:29 PM, Dean Anderson wrote:
Yes, we just take shots at people. That's why I'm so well known for
taking shots a people, rather than having been "shot at" by a slew of bad
characters including court-proven liars.
In this thread, I felt that you were taking shots at me, and I fired back. In a previous thread I was trying to be helpful and you interrupted the thread with your personal views about how evil the people behind a link I posted were. I have never taken shots at you without provocation, and in most cases I feel I am well within reason to say that I'm merely defending myself.
But first, I suppose it should be pointed out that no one has "taken a shot at you". If you think that, then you are mistaken and simply don't know what a "shot" is.
If you truly did not intend your comments as an affront against me then I apologize for taking them as such.
Below is yet another belated pretense of disinterest. If we took Lutner's
'illegal' crack as a joke, it still appears in the original message that
Lutner thought it unreasonable to download more than 2G, despite his own
assertions of easynews' 10G limit. I just pointed out the illogic of
that.
I didn't think it is unreasonable to download more than 2GB or more than 10GB. No where did I say otherwise. Scott's original question was asking for hints towards NNTP services without download caps, he mentioned the giganews service provided by Comcast as his point of reference. I used the easynews limit of 10GB as an example of a limit which was larger than his point of reference. That is all. If you took it any differently that is not my problem, nor can I do anything to remedy the situation. The illegal crack was just that, a crack. In this age of fairly rampant piracy all over the internet, and posted to a list full of technically inclined people, I thought the crack would go over as such. I will make a point to not post jokes any more.
But now Lutner says he doesn't care either way. Gee, I didn't get that from his first message.
My first message was intended only to offer what I hoped was help for Scott, and to poke fun at something I thought would be funny. Yet again I apologize for my apparent failure at humor.
No one is "taking a shot" at Lutner. I'm just pointing out those claims that don't pass reasonable scrutiny. And in fact, they don't.
And I previously pointed out his association with court-proven liars (Alan
Brown, ORBS associated with Vixie and Matthew Sullivan of SORBS) This
crew associates with people who believe in "The Truth Through Lies" (Nick
Nicholas, former Executive Director of MAPS).
I have absolutely no association personal or professional with Alan Brown, Paul Vixie, Matthew Sullivan or Nick Nicholas. I offered a link I found through google to this list a while back, and that erupted into a thread similar to this. In that case, I was also just trying to be helpful to the fellow readers of this list, and did not present it any differently. I truly hope you are not inferring, or calling me by association, a liar. A number of the members of this list know me personally, and I am confident that they would confirm that I am a person of integrity and honesty. If you are making such inference or associations, you can only hope that I never find out about it.
They lie and are unashamed
of their lies. I speak the truth. There is a difference, and people
should know about that. Their complaints are that I point out the truth
and dispute their lies or just wrong information. Too bad. They shouldn't
lie, and they shouldn't pass out wrong information.
--Dean
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, Sean Lutner wrote:
Actually all I was trying to convey was that easynews has a 10GB per month cap. However, in reality it is a 10GB per billing cycle cap. If you download all 10G in a week, they will simply bill you again, and you can start downloading. So in theory, in a 30 day month, you could download 300G.
I don't think either limit is reasonable or unreasonable. When I made
the illegal crack it was meant as a joke, I guess the ":)" went right
over everyone's head and brought out my detractors to take shots at me.
Just to have it on the record, I could care less what your downloading
with an NNTP account or any account in general, but NNTP has remained a
place the "tech savvy" could obtain lots of illegal binary files with a
reasonable assumption of trouble not finding them.
Cheers.
On Feb 13, 2005, at 5:37 AM, Dean Anderson wrote:
They aren't illegal. Sean indicated the nonsense of his answer when he
noted that easynews just moved to 10G/mo. Obviously, there are others
that see 10G as reasonable, and 2G as unreasonable. Funny that people
can't see their own illogic.
A cap like that just means that anyone downloading up to the 10G (or
whatever) doesn't need to make special arrangements. The cap is set
high
enough so that they can satisfy users, still make money on average, and
not have too many special arrangments. Special arrangments cost money,
too, Sometimes its just better to raise the limit than try to
administer
more special cases.
--Dean
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005, Scott Ehrlich wrote:
I've not heard or seen any NNTP services that have no downloaded bytes cap. It would be used/abused that it would be cost effective for whomever was providing it. I've used easynews (http://www.easynews.com) for a couple years, and they just moved to a 10G/month quota.
Comcast's cap is 2GB/month, what could you possibly be downloading that you need more? It wouldn't be anything illegal would it? :)
Sean
Nothing illegal to my knowledge. There are avi files from an
overseas tv
show posted to a newsgroup that gives me a chance to watch said shows.
I could certainly do more research and see if such postings are considered illegal, in which case I would end my nnrp search.
Scott
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