FYI

100,000 redworms is 100 pounds of worms, retail value between 950 to 3,000
bucks, wholesale around 700.

Buyback contracts in the worm biz are notorious for a host of good reasons.

This has all been hashed out in excruciating detail at www.wormdigest.org
and elsewhere.

A typical example of what's wrong with these buyback contracts can be seen
at

http://sites.state.pa.us/PA_Exec/Securities/actions/crs.html

This is the sort of thing that got Gaddie shut down in the 70s.

In my opinion, if someone has 5K to spend getting into the worm biz, the
first thing to get is information. A set of back issues of Worm Digest, and
also of Casting Call, will give you an inexpensive window into the worm
industry.

Casting Call is published by Vermico, www.vermico.com, Pete Bogdanov's worm
company.

Everyone in worms is familiar with Mary Appelhof's Worms Eat My Garbage, now
in its second edition. Mary has organized two global meetings of worm
scientists, the first in 1980, and the second in September of 2000 at
Kalamazoo Michigan, which I attended. (Which is where I first met Elaine
Ingham, for the record.) You can still get a set of abstracts from this
meeting, called the Vermillennium, at Mary's website, www.wormwoman.com

You can also get Dr Clive Edwards' books for more details on the science of
worm growth and castings use.

You need to understand how much work is involved in harvesting, packaging
and shipping worms, as well as the day to day care and feeding. Raising
worms is a livestock operation with labor costs. Quality control of
feedstocks is not unimportant, and with this clopyralid problem emerging not
only in turf situations, but also in manures, hay and straw, and in
vegetable and small fruit wastes, if worm growers want to sell castings they
will have to be particularly careful.

I sell worms as a sideline here in Canada for $17.50 for a pound equivalent
culture at wholesale. That's one half of one square foot of worm bin, six
inches deep, and you get all the worms and cocoons of all ages, actively
working worm bedding and feed, plus the commensal organisms in one package.
I sell locally and don't ship across the planet; to ship worms you need to
separate them, repackage in lighter bedding, and hope for the best from the
shipping process.

Worms retail here for up to $40 CDN a pound. We pass our savings in
harvesting on to our clients, and offer a superior product for the home
composters we serve to boot, at a lower price. It will be a cold day in July
before I pay someone else thousands of dollars for the dubious privilege of
selling them back worms at only 7 US dollars a pound!

An alternative to the sorts of heavy metal harvesters that most worm
shippers need, see www.kazarie.com for the Jet harvesters for example, is
the attraction method of harvesting. see www.acmewormfarm.com where,
incidentally, you can buy 100 pounds of worms (100,000) for $950 US,
delivered.

The other 4,000 dollars that the buybackers want is, I am sad to have to
say, nothing more than a stupidity tax.

Sorry to speak so frankly, but I really despise the buybackers and the
influence they have had on vermiculture. Don't promulgate this sort of
operation!

Frank Teuton


----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Mcfadden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 2:00 PM
Subject: off: Vermiculture for sale


> Hi - Hope this notice is ok for the list.  Might be worth looking into for
> folks in New Mexico or close by.
>
> Don't contact me, but rather Adrien whose e-mail is below.
>
> Best, Steven
>
>
> Vermicluture Bussiness for sale..
> It is a very lucrative business and includes a 2 year contract with a worm
> farm and a guaranteed buyback from them which includes their paying for
all
> shipping.  Also includes 100,000 + Red Worms and two, two tied  wooden
bins.
> The Worm Farm has multiple contracts and you would be a grower for them.
> You
> can also sell your worms to anyone else at any time.  I am asking $5000.
I
> can be contacted at:
> Adrien Gordon
> 466-0371
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>

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