Re: The Wizards weekend

[James Hedley]

Dear Robin, Sorry for the delay in answering your post, things have been very busy in the period since the Wizards workshop. Your idea of never being able to prove anything seems to me to have some merit, but before you can develop a theory to falsify, it becomes important to observe the phenomena that you are trying to theorise. It was pointed out to me some time ago that we are very good at observing phenomena, but very poor at developing theories. You only need to look at how various fields of scientific thought change the theory because newly observed phenomena do not fit into existing theory. It is time that some research was done to see if it is possible to disprove the present theories of how radionics works. The point of whether radionics is a placebo effect can easily be answered by measuring the effects of radionics on plants. If it was a placebo effect you would expect for it not to have an effect on plants or soil.general consensus from the Wizards conference was that in most instances there was definite improvement in plant growth, resistance to insect attacks, increase in the brix of plants and a general improvement in the ability of plants to withstand drought conditions. As to the question of "is radionics really all that it promises to be, or yet another mystical phenomenon that only exists for those who already have faith that is works'. I think that you could say categorically that if you were to approach radionic experiments from the basis that it does not work that you would get experimenter bias where the experimenter is able to influence the result of the experiment, however when researchers in Germany tested 14  SE5 Radionic instruments in forestry work it was found that technicians could use radionic instruments provided that they followed the protocols. As to how we might measure and devise experiments I am sure that a good Bio-metrician would be able to advise the methodologyof the research and the methods for measuring the results. The German Forestry researchers chose to measure the light intensity in the forest, on the basis that if the radionic broadcast had worked that there would be more shade due to the increased folige. Another method that you could test Radionic broadcast may be the method used by the Polish forestry researcher Jerzy Macurzack to test the effects of geopathic stress zones. The method was very elegant. Firstly the geopathic stress zones were identified by the use of a geomagnetometer. Along the the stress zone were placed a series of containers filled with a super- saturated solution of sodium chloride. In the adjacent neutral zone an equivalent number of containers with the other half of the salt solution were placed. They were left for a period of time and then the salt solutions were allowed to dry naturally. The crystalline patterns showed that there was a definite difference in the solution that had been exposed to the geopathic stress zones as compared to the solution exposed to the neutral zone. An instrument that measured the emission of photons was then used to compare photon emissions from the two samples. The resultwqs that the samples exposed to the geopathic stress zones emitted on average 6 times as many photons as the samples from the neutral zones. This experiment proved conclusively that you could use salt solutions to measure the effects of subtle energies. I could probablyfind you several other experiments that have tested  the effects of subtle energy, if you are interested please contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . The conensus, I felt after having been both a presenter and participant at this workshop, was that the technology of radionics showed great potential to not only ascertain and diagnose plant and soil health but to also affect and alter them. John Pannan conclusively proved this with his skillful use of the Don Mattioda analysis and broadcast instrument.  I feel that it is possible  build a case to de-mystify field broadcaster technology and fit it into existing electromagnetic theory, totally able to be measured by existing instrumentation. At this point in time I am not able to sort out the role of intent in all of this, however it may be possible to measure the action of intent to influence salt solutions.That is the subject of this year's research work.   Sincere regards from the Land of the Wizards of Oz James Hedley   Radiasesthesia and Radionic Analysis Radionic Insect and Parasite control Bioethical Agriculture Consultant ---- Original Message ----- From: Robin Duchesneau To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 9:18 AM Subject: Re: The Wizards weekend D&S,   The Radionics Wizard weekend must of been very interesting indeed.  The world of subtle energies certainly can spike our curiosity.  I have to admit, though, that I like to keep a grain of skepticism when it comes to certain subject.  Because, I'd only heard a bit about radionics, I decided to look it up on the web.  The WWW is packed with pages explaining the phenomenon.  Gosh... some will even sell you a PC version?!?   First I should say that I'm keeping my mind open to the technology, especially if it permits us to visualize the effect of biodynamics (as in the Kolisko research).  Having said that, philosophically, I feel the need to ponder the matter from various point of views.   Here is what I found and wish to bring to the debate.   - Seems like Dr. Albert Abrams started it all with the discovery that certain diseases have specific vibratory rates that can be detected by tapping on abdomen of spine.  Then a machine containing an ohm-meter, rheostat, condenser, and other electrical gadgets all wired together was developed to facilitate the process of reading "subtle energies".   - Then Dr. Ruth Drown tested the theory with experiments and even found that one could create X-Ray like pictures of patients from a distance- any distance- provided the operator had a blood sample.  Thus she "proved that it work".   Well...  hmmm... I think that one can never prove anything (or it is very difficult), but should try to falsify a theory.  It is much to easy to become bias when "proving" something... Call it a human fault...   - In 1950, the University of Chicago formed a committee to investigate Dr. Drown's methods (seeing she had great success...).  The official comment of the committee turned out to be: "...On the face of it, the Drown claims appear to be totally unworthy of serious consideration by anyone, least of all a university. However, certain friends who are members of lay boards that have been of great assistance to the university have urged that the Drown claims be investigated so that they may be repudiated if found unworthy or adapted to the benefit of mankind if they should prove to be worthy... " "...The machine is a sort of Ouija board. It is our belief that her alleged successes rest solely on the noncritical attitude of her followers. Her technic is to find so much trouble in so many organs that usually she can say 'I told you so' when she registers an occasional lucky positive guess. In these particular tests, even this luck deserted her. " I wonder if we are not facing a placebo effect, which is totally fine by me if it heals, or help humanity.  Or, is radionics really all that it promises to be, or yet another mystical phenomenon that only exists for those who already have faith that is works.  In any case, I judge not, keep my mind open, but give myself the right to question.  A good debate is probably needed...   What is your feeling on this subject having been to a recent conference?    Have you found a pragmatic purpose for this tool for biodynamic farmers?  For example, could we use the technology to ascertain plant health, or diagnose soil health conditions?  DO have an idea what kind of experiments we could perform to "test" the efficiency of radionics?   Finally to quote the father of radionics: ``The physician is only allowed to think he knows it all, but the quack, ungoverned by conscience, is permitted to know he knows it all; and with a fertile mental field for humbuggery, truth can never successfully compete with untruth.'' - Dr. Albert Abrams ----- Original Message ----- From: D & S Chamberlain To: BDNOW Sent: July 7, 2002 4:08 AM Subject: The Wizards weekend All: I have just returned from the Radionics weekend. What a wonderful and inspiring time it was, I saw things and people that I have only read about previously and it lead me to believe that radionics has one hell of a future, I need time to take in all I have seen and learnt. Cheryl Kemp, Hamish McKay and the BDFGAA staff are to be congratulated. 44 people from as far as the North of Western Australia attended. David C