Thanks, Hugh,

You and I know this, but Randy has 50 acres of trees that he is feeding with $9000 
worth of slow release chemical fertilizer which he says is the best he's ever had.  
How can I tell him that it is no good.  It's just the ponderosa pines that aren't 
happy and another variety that was completely killed by a root/stem girdling larva.  I 
may try to email him with your information anyway.  I'll have to work myself up to it.

Best,

Merla

Hugh Lovel wrote:

> Dear Merla,
>
> One thing it seems Randy may not know is that when plants get their nitrogen as 
>salts, their protoplasm hasn't any choice but to be salty and watery. This stretches 
>their cell walls and leads to poor cell density and insect damage. When they get 
>their nitrogen as amino acids they make far more long chain amino acids--which 
>insects cannot digest--and the insects leave them alone. And their cell density is 
>greater so they are less susceptible to diseases.
>
> The question is how to get the trees to get all their nitrogen as amino acids 
>instead of salts such as urea, nitrates, ammonia, etc.? The answer is to get 
>mycorhyzae and azotobacters working in the soil and colonizing the trees roots from 
>the day they are planted. A good compost tea program as well as a field broadcaster 
>would be a good recipe. Has Randy heard about Elaine Ingham? Does he need a field 
>broadcaster brochure? He really sounds like a good sort and maybe he is open to these 
>things.
>
> Best,
> Hugh
>
>      Your nemesis, Randy, seem to exemplify many good, as well as misguided, 
>qualities. His land is in his family and farming is in his blood. He is open enough 
>to share with you what he is doing and he really believes in it, works hard, makes it 
>pay, pays his bills thereby, etc. He uses a spider and cover crops, for crying out 
>loud.
>
>      I was surprised at how much I liked his place, but it bothered me, I guess 
>because it wasn't a small farm growing vegetables organically, but rather just large 
>fields of beautiful perfect trees, exactly spaced...little monocultures of various 
>tree species planted and harvested in different years.� It might be valuable to 
>compare an organic tree farm with Randy's farm.� I got the invitation to come via the 
>Weed Supervisor who is trying his hardest to produce harmony among the disparate 
>elements on the Weed Committee.� I jumped at the chance to contribute to that.� In 
>some way, his spread reminded me of the way you have many different crops planted in 
>a kind of patchwork to accommodate the shape of your land.�� I have French intensive 
>beds so that is quite different.� There was much good in his work, and I hope this is 
>a beginning of shared respect.� My husband tells me he heard Randy bragging about how 
>he and some other farmers sneaked onto an organic neighbor's land who
>      wouldn't take care of his weeds and sprayed it with herbicide...I guess it's 
>his personality, not necessarily his farm.� Maybe the fact that we are taking care of 
>weeds on our IPM road project is a start to help him to relax.� I am a threat to a 
>long-standing culture of chemicals.� If I can just get all the tansy, knapweed, 
>thistle and hawkweed off Rapid Lightning Road, maybe he will respect me.� There is 
>zero tolerance for "noxious" weeds and everything has to be oriented toward making a 
>profit.� My political values are so different.
>
>      Taking a page out of our native son, Jimmy Carter's book, appreciate his good 
>points and simply acknowledge his shortcomings. That keeps the exchange going and you 
>can discuss little things that might lead to bigger and better things. It's a 
>non-judgmental, step-wise approach, and admittedly it doesn't always work. But 
>sometimes it produces astounding results.
>
>      I agree.� I'm going to try and I appreciate Brad, the Weed Supervisor's efforts 
>to help find something in common between the chemical proponents and the 
>environmentalists.� I have mellowed out a lot in my approach.� I'm demonstrating 
>non-chemical methods and taking care of weeds.� I'm keeping confidences when I could 
>write letters to the editor in the local paper blasting various problems I see.� 
>Right now I'm quite troubled about the residue in the sediment of a broad spectrum 
>herbicide, diquat dibromide, that was put in the lake for Eurasian watermilfoil.� 
>This has nothing to do with Randy.� It was the Public Works Director's baby and he is 
>extremely sensitive if I raise any questions about any problems or about the high 
>cost of hiring out-of-state applicators and divers to protect drinking water 
>inlets...Oh God!
>
>      The bare soil really bugs you? Well around here grasses and clovers in the 
>Christmas tree orchard is the only way it is done. This involves mowing, but still it 
>pays back in moisture and nutrient retention, because as long as the level of biology 
>is kept up in the soil, living organisms keep these things inside their cell walls 
>where they are not so easily lost.
>
>      Is there some reason he keeps it bare? Does he know that in other places such 
>plantations all grow grass? Has he been observant of what happens to his soil and the 
>living organisms that support it when it spends several years bare?
>
>      He did explain why he keeps it bare.� He pointed to some trees on his next door 
>neighbor's land which hadn't been kept bare, but had had lots of tansy that Randy 
>finally sprayed Escort for him when the trees were dormant.� He commented that it had 
>affected the growth of the bottom branches and they didn't look good.� He did have 
>hard fescue on interior roads between large beds on another piece of land that he 
>bought later.� He expected it to fill in completely and keep out weeds.� Since he had 
>that large sawdust/urea compost pile, he may be using that as a mulch.� He would 
>never plant clover.� It would have to be grass to stand the herbicide spraying.� He 
>really believed that the trees grew better on bare soil.
>
>      There was insect damage which means that his chemical fertilizer isn't giving 
>some varieties of trees, especially the native ones, what they want.� I will probably 
>ask him about that.� He could decide to approach the native trees organically with 
>soil and organisms just like untouched native soil, but how would he get fast 
>growth?� Maybe it's not possible to treat native species like the blue spruces he 
>raises from seed from blue trees with a long history of being grown on a tree farm.
>
>      It is always better to ask questions than to give information. This is quite 
>interesting. Education has come to mean, particularly in our public schools, 
>informing people. But if you look at its root, educare, this means to draw out. In 
>older times they knew that true education was a process of drawing out of people the 
>realizations that go beyond mere information.
>
>      I am going to write a thank you email and I will ask some more questions.� 
>Thanks for your suggestions.
>
>      Merla �
>
>           �
>
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