HI Eric,
 
   I don't know much about the Haidas' "old clairvoyance", but, I have participated in a ceremony blessing a cedar tree about to be carved into a totem pole.  They take cedar boughs and swish them back and forth (I participated in this) to cleanse and they performed a couple of chants and one dance.  Normally, it is a 3 day event, but, it was condensed to 30 min.  We were filmed and I got into the local paper.
   I know that the Haida have one tree that is an "albino" cedar or spruce.  It is treated sacredly by the people in Haida G'uai as they call their Islands.  There is some connection with the Haida and some Hawai'ians who came there many centuries ago.
  As for the "ground on the back of the turtle", most aboriginies in North America refer to North America as the Land of the Turtle.  Must go back to some legend.
   I'm glad that Don and Eve mentioned something positive about me!!  Hope to see you guys in the next while. Hopefully, you can give me a little notice........Cheers, Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Myren
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: GAIA

Some native American cultures believe that the ground we stand on is on the back of a turtle.
'Michael do you have any knowledge of the Hieda and their truth regarding the old growth Cedar trees?'
I do not have much experience with nature spirits, some not much.

Here is what D. Cruse had to say when I questioned him about the Taoist belief that THE WAY to live fully was through total union with NATURE. I am sure this is "old hat" to most on the list.

"Steiner expanded on the past with a scientifically disciplined clairvoyance.
Ancient world views are the result of a past non-critical level of spiritual
awareness, that which Barfield called 'original participation'; what
Steiner's work represents is the beginning of 'final participation' in which
we take the scientific method that we have learned in relation to NATURE and
apply it now to the the SPIRIT (which is the inside of nature). His work,
therefore, is the beginning of something completely new where spirituality
is concerned." - D. Cruse

Maybe Eve will get him to read this and he might have more to say?

Peace
Eric


On Thursday, March 20, 2003, at 08:41 PM, Spiritual Renaissance Center wrote:

That was really good about the heart, that 60% of the cells are neuro cells, not muscle.  I happened to be near farm fields where they were spraying chlorinated hydrocarbons, nerve agents.  My heart was hurting and I thought of Joseph Chilton Pearce's writing.

Also, concerning GAIA, do any of the people working with the Nature Beings have insights.  At Findhorn they said large geographical areas have angels, and in the book Ephesus, Giants Work with the Large Land Masses?  Dora Van Gelder wrote that Trees have intelligences (kind of like Lord of the Rings).  Anyone encounter an earth being like a GAIA?  Did Steiner write about it?  Didn't he compare the Universe to a human body?

Timothy H.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>>"This is just a personal belief and may not be Anthroposophical in
nature.
The Earth's soul appears to mirror that of our own."

Peace
Eric<<

Hi Eric, anthroposophical is as anthroposophical does. Check out Joseph Chilton Pearce's cutting edge elucidations of research in neurocardiology. The holographic heart is not just microcosmic of the earth's radiant energy. Man, you don't know how right you are!

warmth
jeff

http://www.labouroflove.org/Education/Joseph%20Chilton%20Pearce%20-%20Interview.htm

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