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----------------------------------------------------------- From: Soumitra2105 Message 4 in Discussion Hi Guys, Glad to hear some opinion on the issue. You guys are absolutely right, by having more people running IE we do not sell Microsoft .Net. It is expected to run on more servers. Since I do not suppose many clients will ever need to have any part of the .Net framework installed on their machines. In .Net we have great UI's, but very bad server logic portability. The problems are there when clients have 20 Windows server,20 UNIX boxes ,4 Solaris that they would like to seamlessly make their server infrastructure, sometimes they might even have a legacy Mainframe or mid range available and we tell them apart from the Windows junk everything else. Now in today's world they are not going to get much for the hardware if they go out to sell it , but it does provide provide a huge amount of computing power if used and thus business wise the case is something that on them. See Microsoft itself is promoting server side computing by making the clients more and more dumber (IE) and we know that the ASP controls will be rendered depending on the request type. So naturally the server must be more powerful to do this. It should be able to deploy on multiple platforms both RISC and CISC based. Jumping around Till now we had to cope up with changes from the VB to VC++. The hangover is barely getting over and they are already moving on to XAML which is to be introduced soon. There will be more confusion as to what should a programmer do? VB, VC++, VB.Net or C# or ASP.Net or now another programming model XAML. I mean there have been so many people running around how do I access Excel, Word, Outlook from .Net from C# or VB.Net .The interop has already started alienating the people from things like VBA and other application integration. Then we have people who in Microsoft will keep fighting over the supremacy of languages. Microsoft itself has sent very confusing signals. Traditionally VB and VC++ were used for separate tasks like VB for Database applications and VC++ for high speed,small signature servers etc. Now we have VB.Net and C# which do basically the same work and most companies have realized that migration from VB code is not a possibility so they are rewriting the code but now not in VB.Net but in C# because it is much like Java. Reasons are many but simply put VB is again only 85% compliant with CLS, so if tomorrow a new CLR does come out ,while C# which is 99% compatible should run out of the box for VB you still stand to have a 15% risk of not being able to run. Still do not believe me, just check how many messages are there for C# and VB.Net in BDOTNET. Now the problem is VC++, core Windows technologies for which people are running out. Though I believe we have VC++ 7.0, I doubt how many people would even consider writing partial managed and partial unmanaged code. So naturally people on core windows are moving around. I have already stressed out before also improve the Application Server COM+. If you put even 10% more effort on the application server development strength, then life will be more easier for Enterprise developers, but on the Microsoft agenda it seems to be on the bottom of the list. Things like connection pools can and should be handled via the application server but till recently a thing like (ISOLATION LEVEL) set to SERIALIZABLE could seriously hit on performance. To counter this you had to set the transaction isolation level to READ COMMITTED, but could be done only in COM+ 1.5 . In COM under Win2k you could either rewrite the SQL query to provide the hint or change your design !. Even now all COM+( Enterprise Services derived classes need to be strongly named and entered into GAC( new version for registry, where we add code plus get the GUID) as well as do a GACUTIL. In VB it is heights, you have object pooling in COM+ but guess what VB objects may never be object pooled thanks to apartment threading, only freely threaded objects may be pooled. Visual Source Safe seems to have virtually become stagnant The V6.0(c) and V6.0(d) patches seem to be more of an after thought rather than a plan to integrate with the IDE (.Net 2003). And even in the IDE 2002 and 2003 cannot read the files. i.e a file created in 2002 needs to be redone in 2003 talk about backward compatibility. Though 20 years of excel can run from Excel 2K and Excel XP. We cannot run the same project file in two versions of the IDE. VSS should be redone using a lot of WebDAV and other technologies so that it may be integrated across distributed organizations. How about having Source Safe Clusters which allow for code maintenance across countries, a Web Front like outlook for VSS and so many more innovations are possible..... As a core development company you can not keep looking at only UI and IDE for better coding. We need to focus on where technology should be improved. Instead of building a platform like Java --Struts. When I look at the platform architecture wise and development wise,there seems to be an order. In India Microsoft has opened a Call Centre rather than a centre for INNOVATION. A global company should have global salaries. If 42% of Microsoft employees were at one point of time Indians I think you guys should open a centre for excellence, rather than for support. The criteria also for getting in is also absurd, people with Microsoft Certification is necessary. Ok ..enough of crying about life... I will give everyone a break .. but guys please consider ... Change is the continuum of life Best Regards, Soumitra -----Original Message----- From: spprivate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 9:33 AM To: BDOTNET Subject: Hi Deepak,Can you through some light on strategy of MS in Server market New Message on BDOTNET Hi Deepak,Can you through some light on strategy of MS in Server market Reply Reply to Sender Recommend Message 1 in Discussion From: spprivate Hi Deepak, Though I did manage to get some stats and reply to Soumitra regarding the popularity of MS OS,the reality is ,MS is yet to put a strong foot in the server market. We have to accept that.All the stats are based on desktop machines,which ofcourse shows MS supremacy.But Server :((.. Any inputs Cheers Satheesh View other groups in this category. ----------------------------------------------------------- To stop getting this e-mail, or change how often it arrives, go to your E-mail Settings. http://groups.msn.com/bdotnet/_emailsettings.msnw Need help? 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