"BTW, How are you going to add an LCD to the RPi, since you only have the HDMI, and no LCD connector?"
SPI ? I2C ? UART ? Pretty sure even the rPI has two of the three listed . .. even if it does only have 16 or so GPIO's exposed. On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Ulf Samuelsson <[email protected]>wrote: > 2013-12-29 20:41, Anguel skrev: > > > On Monday, December 23, 2013 10:21:55 PM UTC+1, Terry Storm wrote: >> >> >> A little birdy told me that Angstrom has been abandoned for the BBB ?? >> >> > Terry, I will comment on this topic risking to get some angry feedback > from other people posting here. My theory is the following: Koen Kooi was > the one who did all Angstrom development and answered all related questions > in groups, forums and IRC in the past (just look around). According to his > public Google profile he is not working for CircuitCo anymore but for > Linaro. Since then, nobody really cares about Angstrom. Angstrom server is > down for a long time, no updates, etc. > > > > git clone https://github.com/Angstrom-distribution/setup-scripts.git > > git checkout -b Yocto1.5 origin/angstrom-v2013.12-yocto1.5 > > git log > > commit 0b3a4809fafebc742e7a2976ee7570a652547b71 > Author: Koen Kooi <[email protected]><[email protected]> > Date: Mon Dec 16 20:53:41 2013 +0100 > > layerman: switch OE-core to angstrom branch > > Signed-off-by: Koen Kooi > <[email protected]><[email protected]> > > commit 55e9feb35c3a43474178e7b1be18c17e3128a611 > Author: Koen Kooi <[email protected]><[email protected]> > Date: Sat Dec 7 09:11:03 2013 +0100 > > layerman: switch meta-oe to angstrom staging branch > > Signed-off-by: Koen Kooi > <[email protected]><[email protected]> > > commit 466ad02bec29b1499883f5d8b4540b0949cdd9d6 > Author: Koen Kooi <[email protected]><[email protected]> > Date: Fri Dec 6 18:57:45 2013 +0100 > > > Does not sound that dead to me.... > > > > A long time ago, I had also posted some issues + bug fixes to > meta-beagleboard but there was no reaction. > > Most people on #beagle IRC have no idea about Angstrom or Openembedded, > so no community support there too. > > You want to post to the openembedded mailing lists. > > Additionally, Angstrom is a "strange" Linux distro and only a few people > know about its details. Afaik it was Koen Kooi who chose it for the BBB for > some reason. Another big problem that BBB development faces is the need to > switch to device tree. > > > When I build Angstrom for the Beaglebone, it is using device trees. > > > Additionally, I personally don't understand why so much has been > invested in some stupid fancy on-board development tools etc. instead of > getting the basic things done properly. > > Maybe this was required by some marketing manager to be able to fool new > developers that the BBB is very user friendly and to buy the board... > > Regarding the BBB kernel, afaik all the work is done by RobertCNelson who > is also working on Ubuntu/Debian development. > > So what could be our options for the future of the BBB: > 1. We can hope that Ubuntu/Debian for BBB get better and better and > finally replace Angstrom as the official distro. > 2. Another possibility is that TI relases a new version of their EZSDK > with support for a new kernel, device tree, latest Qt and 3D. But according > to the work done so far, people don't expect much from TI. > > TI Supports their kernel at > git://git.yoctoproject.org/meta-ti > which contains linux-3.12 > > > 3. My hope is that the very active developers at Buildroot soon have > good support for the BBB, so we can get access to new software packages and > a very good embedded build system and we could finally forget Angstrom. > > Angstrom is based on openembedded-core and meta-openembedded, but is not > using the standard repos. > You need to check out the Yocto-1.5 branch to get access to the latest > stuff though. > If you clone the master, you do not see much development,since this is > based on Yocto-1.3 which sees little development. > > Buildroot is not Yocto compliant, which means that they will not follow > mainstream development funded by large companies. > > > No matter what people tell you, BBB is very very very far from the > Raspberry Pi's software quality and its huge community. > CircuitCo and TI advertise the BBB wherever they can but their promises > are far from reality. > Why does CircuitCo still advertise their LCDs as working with latest > Angstrom after all the discussions I had with them here in the groups? > > Many people here tell you that everybody should learn Linux at bare metal > level and should be able to write his own kernel drivers to get simple > things done. I don't agree, > > I think that manufacturers like TI and CircuitCo should offer you some > working drivers and a stable basis to get started with. > > I agree 100%. > > > We are buying their chips! Currently they don't support us. > I have even read postings from expert developers who don't get why the BBB > kernel is organized in the way it is, so things are very complex. > > I do not understand why you refer it as the BBB kernel. > Angstrom meta-beagleboard allows you to compile the linux kernel with some > extra patches for the am335x chips, > using a selected kernel configuration. > > This is exactly what they are doing in the Buildroot project, exept that > they do not keep track of the beaglebone > so the number of available patches are minimal. > > Most embedded chip companies are focused on aligning themselves with the > Yocto project. > Yocto is barebone, and Angstom allows for much more advanced functionality. > > > > > If you are a new developer you are just not able to learn everything, even > if you don't do anything else in your job. IMHO this means: Only wealthy > big companies can afford to hire dozens of developers to develop one > product they are going to sell in masses. And if this is the only > possibility, this is a very very bad thing for Embedded Linux. > > There are plenty of small companies which use Embedded Linux. > > > The BBB and R Pi are wonderful boards for single developers or small > companies who have good ideas but don't have the money and time to do > everything from scratch. Or like me, they develop products which are needed > by e.g. universities but are not expected to ship in large quantities. > Unfortunately, the obstacles we currently see with the BBB and most other > embedded boards simply prevent such good product ideas to become real > products. Small developers and hobbyists are just wasting their time > believing the marketing promises of big manufacturers. > > The BBB has better HW than the R Pi but in the meantime I ask myself - > what is it good for if the board does not have working software and if > nobody can help you. > So I am seriously considering to switch to the RPi. > > > There are plenty of people that can help you, but if you want to get help > for free, then that is a different deal. > > BTW, How are you going to add an LCD to the RPi, since you only have the > HDMI, and no LCD connector? > You can't build your own board. > If you are not happy with the Beaglebone, you can find other AM335x boards > where the LCD support may be working. > > > Regards, > Anguel > -- > For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "BeagleBoard" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/beagleboard/WYrk-JUAkbM/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- > Best Regards > Ulf Samuelsson > > -- > For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "BeagleBoard" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BeagleBoard" group. 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