Thanks for your reply.

How does this issue damage the processor?

Jason

Op woensdag 21 december 2016 14:08:47 UTC+1 schreef Gerald:
>
> I have no plans to fix this. If you need battery operation, which the BBB 
> does not really support as it needs 5V for the USB, then you need to modify 
> the board design for your usage.
>
> Gerald
>
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 7:03 AM, Jason van Belzen <[email protected] 
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
>> 3v3 regulator bug:
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/beagleboard/7sxPePT7wkM/3vFMPydR20IJ
>>
>> The issue is the interconnection of the 3v3a and 3v3b power domains, 
>>> resulting in significant leakage current between them (e.g. via protection 
>>> diodes) whenever one is powered while the other is not. The 3v3b -> 3v3a 
>>> leakage was of course exactly the reason for moving the enable-signal of 
>>> the 3v3b regulator (U4) from 3v3aux (LDO2) to 3v3a. However, while this 
>>> resolved the issue at boot, it did not resolve it at shutdown when running 
>>> on dc power, and made it far worse when running on battery.
>>>
>>> The problem is that when the 3v3a supply (LDO4) is disabled, the 3v3b 
>>> regulator remains enabled until 3v3a drops below the threshold voltage of 
>>> the enable-input of U4, which is far below 3.3V (specified to be somewhere 
>>> between 0.4V (at 25 ͏°C) and 2V). As a result, current will start to flow 
>>> from 3v3b to 3v3a, and apparently enough current to keep it logic-high in 
>>> the opinion of the 3v3b-regulator (despite the ~375 ohm discharge resistor 
>>> the PMIC applies when LDO4 is disabled!).
>>>
>>> Thus, once turned on, the 3v3b regulator manages to keep itself enabled 
>>> indefinitely as long as it is supplied from SYS_5V. When entering 
>>> off-state, the PMIC automatically connects SYS to battery power rather than 
>>> DC- or USB-supply. If there's no battery, then the capacitors on SYS will 
>>> drain pretty fast hence the 3v3b shutdown is not delayed much. If there's a 
>>> battery, then you're pretty screwed.
>>>
>>> It is very important to note that this issue is not merely one of 
>>> battery lifetime; this leakage current may *damage the processor*.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Op woensdag 21 december 2016 13:55:57 UTC+1 schreef Gerald:
>>>
>>> And what is the 3.3V bug?
>>>
>>> Gerald
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 6:54 AM, Jason van Belzen <[email protected]> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> We are planning to build an IoT gateway based on a Beagle Bone Black.
>>>> Till now we were experimenting with the Beagle Bone Black Rev C.
>>>> Since we need to protect the filesystem, we want to use a battery so we 
>>>> can detect a power failure and nicely shutdown the system.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunaletly we encountered a problem.
>>>> After shutting down the system with a battery connected, the 3v3 
>>>> regulator bug is triggered.
>>>> The BeagleBone Black is a good board for our purpose, so we really want 
>>>> to use this board.
>>>>
>>>> A few questions come up in our minds.
>>>> 1. How bad is this bug? Is it really gonna damage the processor?
>>>> 2. Are there any other solutions than patching to an unified 3v3 rail?
>>>> 3. Are there any next revisions planned for the BeagleBone Black? And 
>>>> if they are planned, will this bug be fixed in the next revision?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Regards Jason
>>>>
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>>>
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