Interesting. I'll have to have a play with that idea and see what I can come up 
with that makes sense.

>From my own accounting point of view the main requirements are:
1. My profit/loss must be in GBP, as that's the currency of the account and the 
currency I pay tax in.
2. The commodity price should be denominated in its native currency (USD) so 
that I can fetch prices and see my unrealized gains/losses (converted back to 
GBP at current rates if I so desire) over time.

Regarding your point (a): My account is in GBP and I never see the USD as they 
are converted by my broker as part of the purchase/sale transaction (at the 
time of the purchase, their accounting reports didn't even contain the USD 
price) – but obviously, it's a USD-denominated commodity and it doesn't make 
sense to try and denominate it in GBP in my ledger.

Accounting for the sale as two transactions is a very interesting idea. I'm 
struggling to mentally imagine how it would look (subject to my constraint 1 
above), though maybe it will become clear if I play around with it a bit. Maybe 
I use an equity account for the temporary (imaginary?) USD holding? Where does 
the FX loss (or profit) get accounted for? At some point it needs to be offset 
against my P/L from selling the shares so I end up with the correct overall 
profit/loss in GBP.
Do you think you could share an example of how you envisage booking this as two 
separate transactions?

Thanks!


> On 2 May 2021, at 02:15, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Setting aside beancount for a second,
> a) what cost currency was the commodity held in? I.e., what currency was it 
> purchased and sold against?
> b) it seems like a good way to think about this sale is two transactions: a 
> sale of S_SQ, and a subsequent currency conversion. Do you think that's a 
> good model? If so, I'd recommend starting by splitting it into those two 
> transactions in your ledger, which should lead to clarity.
> 
> On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 1:59:37 PM UTC-7 [email protected] 
> <http://caesarschinas.com/> wrote:
> I think I now understand what's going on here.
> 
> It's actually simple: because the commodity is priced in USD, Beancount is 
> naturally calculating my profit in USD.
> The result is 1338.43 USD – which, at the current exchange rate on the sale 
> date, is 1015.35 GBP.
> 
> But because I actually made the transactions in GBP, and the exchange rate 
> has changed in the meantime, my actual profit is different (977.88 GBP).
> 
> I'm not sure what the cleanest way is to resolve this. At present I can think 
> of two options:
> 
> 1. Use a 'false' FX rate for the profit/loss leg of the transaction, such as 
> by using Beancount's @@ syntax.
> Example:
>   Income:Investments:PnL                      -977.88 GBP @@ 1338.43 USD
> At first glance this seems quite elegant, but one disadvantage is that it 
> will result in incorrect entries in the prices database for GBP/USD.
> 
> 2. Add another leg for FX gains/losses (I'm not sure if Expenses is the right 
> category)
> Example:
>   Income:Investments:PnL                      -977.88 GBP @ 1.31820 USD
>   Expenses:Financial:FXGainLoss                -37.46 GBP @ 1.31820 USD
> The problem with this is that it looks like I made a profit on the FX 
> difference, when I actually made a loss. I'm not sure how to resolve that.
> 
> Does anyone have any better ideas?
> 
> 
> On Sat, 1 May 2021 at 20:54, Caesar Schinas <[email protected] 
> <applewebdata://19658A9F-5B61-458C-8EF4-56710C154B0D>> wrote:
> Apologies, I made a minor error in my last message – my arithmetic doesn't 
> add up because I omitted to account for the FX fee of 6.60 GBP.
> The point remains: the much larger 'error' of 49.38 GBP is unaccounted for.
> 
> On Saturday, 1 May 2021 at 20:46:45 UTC+1 Caesar Schinas wrote:
> But that's the thing: my income wasn't 1015.34 GBP, it was 977.88 GBP.
> That is the difference between the amount of 482.60 GBP that was debited from 
> my account when I bought the shares, and the amount of 1467.08 GBP that was 
> credited to my account when I sold the shares.
> 
> So something else is amiss. But I can't work out what. (Unless it's totally 
> incorrect exchange rates from my broker. But their web interface shows the 
> same figures as the CSV from which I extracted the above data, and I'm loath 
> to 'massage' the rates just to make the numbers fit, without actually 
> understanding what's wrong.)
> 
> 
> On Saturday, 1 May 2021 at 20:18:53 UTC+1 redst...@ <>gmail.com 
> <http://gmail.com/> wrote:
> Sale 11 175.81  1,933.91 
> Cost 11  54.135   595.49 
>                 1,338.43 
>    
> Proceeds 1467.08  1.3182   1,933.90 
> PnL    (1,015.34) 1.3182  (1,338.43)
>                              595.48 
>    
> So you should have -1015.34 GBP as your Income, not -977.88   
> 
> Of course, you would need an additional posting to absorb rounding errors.
> 
> On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 5:14:40 PM UTC-7 cae...@ <>caesarschinas.com 
> <http://caesarschinas.com/> wrote:
> I've been using beancount for a while for my everyday transactions, but am 
> only recently getting around to trying to import my trading activity to my 
> ledger as it seems much more complex.
> 
> I'm having trouble with accounting for profit/loss on shares which are priced 
> in a currency different to the main currency of my trading account.
> 
> My trading account is in GBP, but I often buy shares priced in USD. My broker 
> handles the conversion, and charges me an FX fee as a percentage of the value 
> of the trade.
> 
> Here is an example:
> 
> 2020-03-31 * "Buy 11 shares of Square"
>   Assets:GB:Freetrade:GIA:Cash   -482.60 GBP @ 1.23390 USD
>   Assets:GB:Freetrade:GIA:SQ          11 S_SQ {54.13456 USD}
> 
> ; ...
> 
> 2020-11-16 * "Sell 11 shares of Square"
>   Assets:GB:Freetrade:GIA:Cash   1467.08 GBP @ 1.31820 USD
>   Assets:GB:Freetrade:GIA:SQ         -11 S_SQ {54.13456 USD} @ 175.81000 USD
>   Assets:GB:Freetrade:GIA:Cash     -6.60 GBP
>   Expenses:Financial:Fees           6.60 GBP
>   Income:Investments:PnL         -977.88 GBP @ 1.31820 USD
> 
> All the figures are from my broker's reports, except for the profit 
> calculation.
> For the profit I have simply subtracted the GBP purchase price from the GBP 
> sale price, as this is the actual amount of profit I made (the actual net 
> change in my account balance).
> 
> However, the second transaction does not balance:
> Transaction does not balance: (49.3832800 USD)
> 
> I am struggling to understand where the extra 49.3832800 USD  came from (or 
> went?), or how I can balance this transaction.
> 
> I'm quite new to this. Can anyone give me any tips?
> 
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