--- David Simcik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > I'm looking for a way to maintain session-like state in my perl scripts > running on IIS. While I'm certain I've seen modules for this under Apache, > are there any equivalents under IIS? I certainly willing to look at > workarounds as well. :-) > > Thanks. > DTS Since HTTP is a stateless protocol, you're asking a question that has, unfortunately, plagued developers for years. If you're trying to maintain state in httpd sessions, you have a few options. Query strings and extra path information. I don't care for this method, as one is forced to try to reliably parse all links in documents. Cookies. This is the most reliable. It's easy to use and doesn't matter if the user leaves your site and returns later. However, if your Web site is dedicated to the premise that "BATF employees are bunch of jack-booted thugs", many of your users are probably concerned about privacy and have cookies disabled. Hidden fields. I like this method, but it only works across a series of form submissions. If the user leaves your site and returns later, state information is probably lost. One can use this with regular Web pages if Javascript is enabled and all hyperlinks are turned into form submissions, but this requires Javscript to be enabled. Regardless of the method used, you should probably be employing some form of generating a digest or random key for the session id. I prefer the idea of generating a digest with MD5 or SHA1, since many people who try to generate a random key will do so on their own and not generate a key random enough. Unless you're a cryptography wiz (and I'm not), trying to "roll your own" is bad if you are really concerned about security. Ugh! I just read your subject. You want to do this *without* cookies or hidden fields. You'll have to go with the first option, which is ugly. The problem you're facing is that there is no reliable way to ensure that you're talking to the same person at any given time. (IP's can frequently change, even for the same person on the same session). If you're interesting in using user information to generate a digest, the following algorithm is listed in 'CGI Programming with Perl', second edition, by O'Reilly (how the heck do you properly attribute a book, anyway? I can never remember): use Digest::MD5; my $md5 = new Digest::MD5; my $remote = $ENV{REMOTE_ADDR} . $ENV{REMOTE_PORT}; my $id = $md5->md5_base64( time, $$, $remote ); $id =~ tr|+/=|-_.|; # Make non-word characters URL-friendly Further, here's a quote from the book regarding this method: This does a good job of generating a unique key for each request. However, it is not intended to create keys that cannot be cracked. If you are generating sessions identifiers that provide access to sensitive data, then you should use a more sensitive method to generate an identifier. Cheers, Curtis Poe ===== Senior Programmer Onsite! Technology (http://www.onsitetech.com/) "Ovid" on http://www.perlmonks.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/