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Today's Topics:
1. Uncalled for apology. (Sean Charles)
2. Re: Uncalled for apology. (Michael Snoyman)
3. Re: Uncalled for apology. (Felipe Almeida Lessa)
4. Re: Uncalled for apology.....everyone please STOP (David Jameson)
5. Forum vs mailing list (Amy de Buitl?ir)
6. Re: Uncalled for apology.....everyone please STOP ( G?khan San)
7. Re: Uncalled for apology.....everyone please STOP (Paul Sargent)
8. Re: Forum vs mailing list (David Jameson)
9. Re: How to think in Haskell (Martin Drautzburg)
10. Re: How to think in Haskell (Jun HU)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:20:32 +0000
From: Sean Charles <[email protected]>
Subject: [Haskell-beginners] Uncalled for apology.
To: [email protected]
Message-ID: <1292930432.3282.9.ca...@sean-desktop>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
I felt compelled to PM Paul about his email.
In support.
If this list is to be vetted and thought-controlled by self-imposed
politically correct Ministry of Thought operatives then I am leaving
today.
It's a shame that the mindset required to understand Haskell is still
open to petty thinking and the desire to impose its thoughts upon
others.
Freedom of speech, thought and expression.
Well, that's ruined my Christmas I think.
What is it about human beings that makes them unable to accept what
somebody else has to say without wanting to pontificate ?
Sigh, and it was such a nice list too...
:(
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 14:04:19 +0200
From: Michael Snoyman <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Haskell-beginners] Uncalled for apology.
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Message-ID:
<[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
I think I must have missed something, could you send a link to the
message you're talking about?
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Sean Charles <[email protected]> wrote:
> I felt compelled to PM Paul about his email.
> In support.
>
> If this list is to be vetted and thought-controlled by self-imposed
> politically correct Ministry of Thought operatives then I am leaving
> today.
>
> It's a shame that the mindset required to understand Haskell is still
> open to petty thinking and the desire to impose its thoughts upon
> others.
>
> Freedom of speech, thought and expression.
> Well, that's ruined my Christmas I think.
>
> What is it about human beings that makes them unable to accept what
> somebody else has to say without wanting to pontificate ?
>
> Sigh, and it was such a nice list too...
> :(
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:20:55 -0200
From: Felipe Almeida Lessa <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Haskell-beginners] Uncalled for apology.
To: Michael Snoyman <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected], [email protected]
Message-ID:
<[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Michael Snoyman <[email protected]> wrote:
> I think I must have missed something, could you send a link to the
> message you're talking about?
I was puzzled as well. Here's [1] the archived message in question
(see also its replies).
I don't want sound rude, but maybe you are overreacting, Sean. I
agree that we should be able to exercise our freedom of speech on this
mailing list. But in Richard Mittel's defence, we really want to be
nice to everyone on the list as well, and he's right when he says that
some people may misunderstand Paul's example. Given that Paul wasn't
stating his opinion, and only giving an example, giving another
example that couldn't be misunderstood should be better (and he
himself agrees with this in [1] when he says that he couldn't come up
with a better one).
In other words, from my point of view Richard wasn't censoring Paul,
but cautioning him that those kinds of examples may be inflammatory
depending on who reads them. And he's probably right. I've had OOP
classes where students got offended by those very kinds of examples.
[1] http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/beginners/2010-December/006084.html
Peace, and Merry Christmas! =)
--
Felipe.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 07:42:45 -0500
From: David Jameson <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Haskell-beginners] Uncalled for apology.....everyone
please STOP
To: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I'm sorry --- but I think everyone is just making a mountain of (not even) a
molehill (and I live in Chelsea, NY).
Too many people are concerned about someone ELSE being offended. If someone
misunderstands a posting, it is not the author's fault ---- particularly when
the author didn't say anything to actually offend anyone. This is no different
than christians being offended by the atheist billboards popping up. It is not
the atheists' problem.
Can we please get back to beginning Haskell stuff? I'm desperately trying to
learn the basics, struggling right left and center, particularly with
infrastructure that I can't get working (can't get the gtk stuff installed on
my Mac) and this mailing list is turning into spam! I would hate to have to
turn it off.
D
P.S. By the way, is is not possible to have a forum instead of a mailing list
--- these mailing lists are so 19th century!
On Dec 21, 2010, at 7:20 AM, Felipe Almeida Lessa wrote:
> blah blah blah
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 13:08:13 +0000
From: Amy de Buitl?ir <[email protected]>
Subject: [Haskell-beginners] Forum vs mailing list
To: David Jameson <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Message-ID:
<[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
On 21 December 2010 12:42, David Jameson <[email protected]> wrote:
> P.S. ?By the way, is is not possible to have a forum instead of a mailing
> list --- these mailing lists are so 19th century!
If you use an face like GMANE, then you'll get the best of both
worlds, plus a bit more. Youll be able to post messages using a
forum-like interface. And you don't have to be subscribed to the
mailing list to post through GMANE, so if you don't want your inbox
filling up, simply unsubscribe. You'll still be able to read all the
other posts, but you'll have to go to the GMANE page to do so. Look
here for more information:
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.haskell.beginners
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 14:12:01 +0100
From: [email protected] ( G?khan San)
Subject: Re: [Haskell-beginners] Uncalled for apology.....everyone
please STOP
To: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
David Jameson <[email protected]> writes:
> P.S. By the way, is is not possible to have a forum instead of a mailing
> list --- these mailing lists are so 19th century!
Now, /this/ is offensive! ;-)
--
G?khan San
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 13:20:19 +0000
From: Paul Sargent <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Haskell-beginners] Uncalled for apology.....everyone
please STOP
To: beginners <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On 21 Dec 2010, at 12:42, David Jameson wrote:
> Can we please get back to beginning Haskell stuff?
Agreed, the apology was intended to put out a powder keg before it exploded.
It's finished from my point of view.
Move along, please.
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 09:25:43 -0500
From: David Jameson <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Haskell-beginners] Forum vs mailing list
To: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
You just made my day --- this is MUCH better.
Thanks,
D
Amy de Buitl?ir wrote:
> On 21 December 2010 12:42, David Jameson <[email protected]> wrote:
>> P.S. By the way, is is not possible to have a forum instead of a mailing
>> list --- these mailing lists are so 19th century!
>
>
> If you use an face like GMANE, then you'll get the best of both
> worlds, plus a bit more. Youll be able to post messages using a
> forum-like interface. And you don't have to be subscribed to the
> mailing list to post through GMANE, so if you don't want your inbox
> filling up, simply unsubscribe. You'll still be able to read all the
> other posts, but you'll have to go to the GMANE page to do so. Look
> here for more information:
>
> http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.haskell.beginners
>
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 11:40:49 +0100
From: Martin Drautzburg <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Haskell-beginners] How to think in Haskell
To: [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
On Thursday, 16. December 2010 15:46:57 Jun HU wrote:
> Dear everyone,
>
> My very first question is how to
> think in the functional programming way, anyone has some ideas.
I don't think any answer to this question will help you much. You really have
to do some coding. Get a book and do the exercises, then the question will
eventually answer itself.
--
Martin
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 17:02:33 +0100
From: Jun HU <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Haskell-beginners] How to think in Haskell
To: Martin Drautzburg <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Message-ID:
<[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Dear everyone,
Thanks for all these kind advices, really appreciate.
Finally, happy coding...
Merry Christmas
Jun
2010/12/19 Martin Drautzburg <[email protected]>
> On Thursday, 16. December 2010 15:46:57 Jun HU wrote:
> > Dear everyone,
> >
> > My very first question is how to
> > think in the functional programming way, anyone has some ideas.
>
> I don't think any answer to this question will help you much. You really
> have
> to do some coding. Get a book and do the exercises, then the question will
> eventually answer itself.
>
> --
> Martin
>
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