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Today's Topics:
1. Re: trying to install libraries for Haskell School of
Expression (Julian Birch)
2. Re: trying to install libraries for Haskell School of
Expression (emacstheviking)
3. Re: trying to install libraries for Haskell School of
Expression (Julian Birch)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 12:10:20 +0000
From: Julian Birch <[email protected]>
To: The Haskell-Beginners Mailing List - Discussion of primarily
beginner-level topics related to Haskell <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Haskell-beginners] trying to install libraries for
Haskell School of Expression
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Just a small note: if you're suffering from cabal hell, LTS Haskell may
help you. I described how to use it here:
http://www.colourcoding.net/blog/archive/2015/02/22/hello-world-web-application-in-haskell.aspx
Hope someone finds it useful.
J
On Monday, March 2, 2015, emacstheviking <[email protected]> wrote:
> Agreed. I will "finish" with a mild semi-demi-rant too regarding the
> assumption by a lot of posters that we are all academics with access to
> papers on this and that. I am not and I don't. If you cite a paper, make
> sure it's available to Joe Public please!
>
> As for only sticking to plain vanialla simple Haskell, yes, that works BUT
> there are some many great libraries that a real time savers...it's such a
> shame when they won't play well together!
>
> So, despite it all, tonight I will be hacking Haskell !
>
> :)
>
>
> On 1 March 2015 at 19:27, DJ <[email protected]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:
>
>> Yeah. I think there are a lot of us out there. I won't rant (much) here,
>> because I hope to get some help from time to time. Alienating people is not
>> a good way to get help.
>>
>> But:
>>
>> There are many things I like about the language, but I have always been
>> perplexed by the haskell ecosystem in a couple of ways. However good and/or
>> interesting a language might be, it is not possible to do meat and potatoes
>> development unless there is a good supply of packages/libraries.
>>
>> My first problem was that I often just could not get stuff to install.
>> The second problem was documentation. I hope it has improved a bit. I was
>> always flabbergasted at the (apparent) belief that a few lines of API
>> documentation coughed out by haddock are enough. But that's all there was
>> in a lot of cases. That, and "refer to xxxx research paper" and "figure it
>> out from the types". Hah. Any math paper that consisted of just the
>> equations sorted in alphabetical order would not be well received, I think.
>>
>> I really admired that fact that Michael Snoyman wrote a book about Yesod.
>> For all I know he may not have kept the book up, but at least he realized
>> that people needed an explanation of how to use his software.
>>
>> Well, back to work. I am going to give haskell another try for sure. It's
>> just too tempting to give up on. If it doesn't work, the next stop will be
>> sml or ocaml.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> - DJ -
>>
>>
>> On 15-03-01 09:56 AM, emacstheviking wrote:
>>
>> I feel your pain...
>>
>>
>>> Confession: I abandoned Haskell two years ago because of frustration
>>> with cabal and hackage. I decided to get back to the language today, and to
>>> start with Haskell School of Expression. I immediately run into the problem
>>> that the first thing I try to install with cabal does not work.
>>>
>>> It is the same reason I have stopped using it. It's a real shame.
>> Those with better education and understanding than mine should be concerned
>> that the uptake of the language is stunted by its package manager.
>>
>> I love Haskell. I have taught myself (the beginnings at least) of group
>> theory just to better comprehend the mindset of monads. For that alone I am
>> glad I learned Haskell as it has rekindled my interest in maths!
>>
>>
>>
>>> Thanks for any help. Please tell me things are not just as bad now as
>>> they were when I left ;-)
>>>
>>> This mail seems to indicate to me that "cabal hell" is here for some
>> time to come...
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 12:21:54 +0000
From: emacstheviking <[email protected]>
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Took a while to sink in....DEF trying this out tonight
Looks AWESOME if it does what it says!
Getting excited about Haskell again.
THANKS!!!! Yoohoo :)
On 2 March 2015 at 12:10, Julian Birch <[email protected]> wrote:
> Just a small note: if you're suffering from cabal hell, LTS Haskell may
> help you. I described how to use it here:
>
>
> http://www.colourcoding.net/blog/archive/2015/02/22/hello-world-web-application-in-haskell.aspx
>
> Hope someone finds it useful.
>
> J
>
>
> On Monday, March 2, 2015, emacstheviking <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Agreed. I will "finish" with a mild semi-demi-rant too regarding the
>> assumption by a lot of posters that we are all academics with access to
>> papers on this and that. I am not and I don't. If you cite a paper, make
>> sure it's available to Joe Public please!
>>
>> As for only sticking to plain vanialla simple Haskell, yes, that works
>> BUT there are some many great libraries that a real time savers...it's such
>> a shame when they won't play well together!
>>
>> So, despite it all, tonight I will be hacking Haskell !
>>
>> :)
>>
>>
>> On 1 March 2015 at 19:27, DJ <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah. I think there are a lot of us out there. I won't rant (much)
>>> here, because I hope to get some help from time to time. Alienating people
>>> is not a good way to get help.
>>>
>>> But:
>>>
>>> There are many things I like about the language, but I have always been
>>> perplexed by the haskell ecosystem in a couple of ways. However good and/or
>>> interesting a language might be, it is not possible to do meat and potatoes
>>> development unless there is a good supply of packages/libraries.
>>>
>>> My first problem was that I often just could not get stuff to install.
>>> The second problem was documentation. I hope it has improved a bit. I was
>>> always flabbergasted at the (apparent) belief that a few lines of API
>>> documentation coughed out by haddock are enough. But that's all there was
>>> in a lot of cases. That, and "refer to xxxx research paper" and "figure it
>>> out from the types". Hah. Any math paper that consisted of just the
>>> equations sorted in alphabetical order would not be well received, I think.
>>>
>>> I really admired that fact that Michael Snoyman wrote a book about
>>> Yesod. For all I know he may not have kept the book up, but at least he
>>> realized that people needed an explanation of how to use his software.
>>>
>>> Well, back to work. I am going to give haskell another try for sure.
>>> It's just too tempting to give up on. If it doesn't work, the next stop
>>> will be sml or ocaml.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> - DJ -
>>>
>>>
>>> On 15-03-01 09:56 AM, emacstheviking wrote:
>>>
>>> I feel your pain...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Confession: I abandoned Haskell two years ago because of frustration
>>>> with cabal and hackage. I decided to get back to the language today, and to
>>>> start with Haskell School of Expression. I immediately run into the problem
>>>> that the first thing I try to install with cabal does not work.
>>>>
>>>> It is the same reason I have stopped using it. It's a real shame.
>>> Those with better education and understanding than mine should be concerned
>>> that the uptake of the language is stunted by its package manager.
>>>
>>> I love Haskell. I have taught myself (the beginnings at least) of
>>> group theory just to better comprehend the mindset of monads. For that
>>> alone I am glad I learned Haskell as it has rekindled my interest in maths!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks for any help. Please tell me things are not just as bad now as
>>>> they were when I left ;-)
>>>>
>>>> This mail seems to indicate to me that "cabal hell" is here for some
>>> time to come...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Beginners mailing
>>> [email protected]http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/beginners
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>
>
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>
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Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 12:34:07 +0000
From: Julian Birch <[email protected]>
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It gets better: they run a hoogle for the exact version, with every
library. :)
On Monday, March 2, 2015, emacstheviking <[email protected]> wrote:
> Took a while to sink in....DEF trying this out tonight
> Looks AWESOME if it does what it says!
> Getting excited about Haskell again.
> THANKS!!!! Yoohoo :)
>
>
> On 2 March 2015 at 12:10, Julian Birch <[email protected]
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:
>
>> Just a small note: if you're suffering from cabal hell, LTS Haskell may
>> help you. I described how to use it here:
>>
>>
>> http://www.colourcoding.net/blog/archive/2015/02/22/hello-world-web-application-in-haskell.aspx
>>
>> Hope someone finds it useful.
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 2, 2015, emacstheviking <[email protected]
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed. I will "finish" with a mild semi-demi-rant too regarding the
>>> assumption by a lot of posters that we are all academics with access to
>>> papers on this and that. I am not and I don't. If you cite a paper, make
>>> sure it's available to Joe Public please!
>>>
>>> As for only sticking to plain vanialla simple Haskell, yes, that works
>>> BUT there are some many great libraries that a real time savers...it's such
>>> a shame when they won't play well together!
>>>
>>> So, despite it all, tonight I will be hacking Haskell !
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1 March 2015 at 19:27, DJ <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah. I think there are a lot of us out there. I won't rant (much)
>>>> here, because I hope to get some help from time to time. Alienating people
>>>> is not a good way to get help.
>>>>
>>>> But:
>>>>
>>>> There are many things I like about the language, but I have always been
>>>> perplexed by the haskell ecosystem in a couple of ways. However good and/or
>>>> interesting a language might be, it is not possible to do meat and potatoes
>>>> development unless there is a good supply of packages/libraries.
>>>>
>>>> My first problem was that I often just could not get stuff to install.
>>>> The second problem was documentation. I hope it has improved a bit. I was
>>>> always flabbergasted at the (apparent) belief that a few lines of API
>>>> documentation coughed out by haddock are enough. But that's all there was
>>>> in a lot of cases. That, and "refer to xxxx research paper" and "figure it
>>>> out from the types". Hah. Any math paper that consisted of just the
>>>> equations sorted in alphabetical order would not be well received, I think.
>>>>
>>>> I really admired that fact that Michael Snoyman wrote a book about
>>>> Yesod. For all I know he may not have kept the book up, but at least he
>>>> realized that people needed an explanation of how to use his software.
>>>>
>>>> Well, back to work. I am going to give haskell another try for sure.
>>>> It's just too tempting to give up on. If it doesn't work, the next stop
>>>> will be sml or ocaml.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> - DJ -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 15-03-01 09:56 AM, emacstheviking wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I feel your pain...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Confession: I abandoned Haskell two years ago because of frustration
>>>>> with cabal and hackage. I decided to get back to the language today, and
>>>>> to
>>>>> start with Haskell School of Expression. I immediately run into the
>>>>> problem
>>>>> that the first thing I try to install with cabal does not work.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is the same reason I have stopped using it. It's a real shame.
>>>> Those with better education and understanding than mine should be concerned
>>>> that the uptake of the language is stunted by its package manager.
>>>>
>>>> I love Haskell. I have taught myself (the beginnings at least) of
>>>> group theory just to better comprehend the mindset of monads. For that
>>>> alone I am glad I learned Haskell as it has rekindled my interest in maths!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for any help. Please tell me things are not just as bad now as
>>>>> they were when I left ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> This mail seems to indicate to me that "cabal hell" is here for some
>>>> time to come...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Beginners mailing
>>>> [email protected]http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/beginners
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> [email protected]
>>>> http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/beginners
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
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>>
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