On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 10:36 AM, John McKeon <p3ano...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 9:34 AM, David Burton <ncdave4l...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> First, please forgive me if this is a F.A.Q., but I can't seem to find any >> search >> facility for this email list. (Is there one? Where??) > > Try http://forum.world.st Scroll down to Squeak to see a link to the > beginners list. Quite searchable.
Thank you, John! That's a great resource!! > Dave, > Did you try running your code in the MVCProject? > ScheduledControllers isn't a class but a Smalltalk "global" variable. In the > normal squeak world its value is nil, > but when you enter an MVCProject it gets populated with a ControlManager > object which does respond to > scheduleActive: so it just might work! > > HTH > John Yes, I tried (after I eventually found out about it, via a Google search). Unfortunately, the MVCProject mode seems massively, hopelessly broken. Literally NOTHING works in there. The screens don't paint right, and you can't even try to fileIn a program without it freezing. Thanks again for the forum.world.st link! Searching there, it appears that the consensus is that Squeak is not usable for MVC programs. This message http://forum.world.st/forum/PostLink.jtp?post=113266 says: If you want your user interface to actually look respectable, then these are your options: * Go back to VisualWorks. * Try Pharo where a lot of UI work has been done. * Try Seaside for web-based applications. * Use WxSqueak or GtkSqueak which use native widgets. I've found WxSqueak to work okay and look quite nice, although you'll be working with old and experimental software. In this thread http://forum.world.st/MVC-freezes-tp109036p109036.html many people say Squeak 3.9 is hopelessly buggy for MVC. >From this 2007 thread http://forum.world.st/forum/PostLink.jtp?post=110371 it appears that no Squeak later than 3.8.1 is suitable for MVC. So, I guess it's bye-bye Squeak. Does anyone have any opinions about the other Smalltalks out there? I just visited the Cincom web site, and they don't even tell you what VisualWorks costs. Usually, that means "if you have to ask, you can't afford it." But, in case that assumption is wrong, I've sent 'em an email asking for their prices and license terms. This page http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download/release-1-0 says that Pharo supports only Morphic, not MVC. What about GNU Smalltalk? Is it good for MVC? Or is there something else I should use? Dave _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
