On Monday, April 8, 2002, at 12:15  PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:

>>>>>> "Chas" == Chas Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Chas> I emphasize again, that is how I _read_ it.  I know that there is no
> Chas> array() and I know why, but that doesn't change how I read things.  
> This
> Chas> hack forces the far left hand bit to return as a list (by making
> Chas> wantarray return true) which then gets evaluated in scalar context,
>>>
>>> No, that's what I'm saying CANNOT EXIST.
>
> Chas> Yes, you are right, that was a slip of the keyboard, I meant that 
> to say
> Chas> array instead of list.  But I must ask if you are being purposefully
> Chas> obtuse.  The list assignment operator forces wantarray to to return 
> true
> Chas> which is what most people would want a mythical array() function 
> for in
> Chas> the first place, hence my -- again I stress -- _reading_ of () as
> Chas> array().  I am not claiming that it _is_ array(), but that I find it
> Chas> helpful to _think of it as_ array() in this context.
>
> No, it's not working that way.  It works because of two steps here.
> The operator
>
>    ($list, $of, $things) = LIST_CONTEXT
>
> forces its right side to list context.  Thus, you get the list
> behavior of /\s/g and it spits out all the matches.
>
> Next, the scalar value of the list assignment operator is the number
> of items copied across.  But this is because of the property of a list
> assignment operator in a scalar context.  It's not a list in a scalar
> context.
>
> At no point do you have an "array" in a scalar context, or a "list"
> in a scalar context.  Really.  You don't.  Ever.  Get it?
>
> And why I'm harping on this is that I've seen this myth continue to
> perpetuate, started from some bad verbage or bad understanding
> somewhere, and I'm trying to root it out so that it doesn't keep
> spreading like a bad meme.
>
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oooh. i get it. i thought you were overboard, too - until that last go 
around.
you are right. it is subtle, but important.


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