On Wednesday, July 31, 2002, at 09:22 , perl wrote:
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> Was that to scare us newcomers to Perl
I can't speak for anyone else, but 'scare' is too
strong a word for my intentions - unless by that
we mean oblige folks to remember that 'coding'
is about 'putting the stuff between the curley braces'
and that 'text editors' and 'IDE' types of solutions
can help "solve" some of that...
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> I have seen good editors, and bad ones.
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> I have not seen any ONE editor that works for even most
> type of text-based programming documents I and other I know have done.
>
> I currently use more than 5 different editor,
> depending upon what I am editing and what I want to do.
> But, I use only one most of the time.
Good Point Here....
While many of us can 'multitask' to various levels,
few of us have mastered the ability to edit multiple
files on multiple systems concurrently.
{ although I still have my 'doubts' about some of the
emacs users I know.....
cf:
http://www.wetware.com/drieux/OldWorld/screeds/LiNox.html
since it is not clear to me that all of those
linux/emac/perl types are limited to the standard
number of fingers and hands.... }
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> I say find one you like and use it,
> until it becomes second nature to you.
way correct. The problem for most beginners as
they start mastering both a new programming language
as well as multiple editors is that their fingers
tend to 'reflex' what would work well in the other editor....
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> I currently use an older version of
> NoteTab as my main editor. Sometimes the newer a product gets,
> the harder it is to use.
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As some of my friends complain about perl v. emacs,
"at least emacs still has an editor built into it...."
But then again, few folks want to solve
"the tower of hanoi problem"
in 'vi macroes' - when it is easier to solve in emacs macros....
> I read one comment about Crimson Editor - it can fit on a floppy
> I can remember when that was a given - fit on a floppy.
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> I have forgotten more languages than I want to remember.
One of the on going problems in the field, and a core reason
for adopting 'perl' as one of the 'default' group that one
will hold onto - as it will most likely be trundling on into
Perl8,Perl9..... Or until we find a cure for software development.
> And I have been told that the older generation could not
> understand this "new" world of the NET.
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And some of can point to documentation that various 'hot software
houses' were at one time opposed to tcp/ip and that it was
merely a 'passing fad' and/or 'militarist' - since it was
derived from DARPA projects .... As opposed to their current
posturing about being 'fully internet hip'.....
A part of the problem also remains the 'inter-generational struggle'
that it appears to 'management types' to be cheaper to hire a bunch
of 'kids' fresh out of college, and 'mold them correctly' - than
to hire the more expensive "senior programmers" - who understand
the simple maxim:
"it IS the coder,
not the text editor...."
> But it is time that he newer programmers look back to the ones
> that have been doing it for most of their lives, ask how to program.
> It is language independent - I should know. It is just syntax differences
> not the How-To.
BOING....
yes and no....
That one understands the standard
Header
Payload
approach, will help explain why we wandered first into the
bifurcation of HTTP and HTML - and now the later has extended
along into XHTML - because "X" is a cool letter to use - and
that this helps provide a way to 'standardize' the model for
TAG -::- VALUE
pairing system as a prelude to 'abstracting' that into XML
as the "X" coolness adding to the notion of 'mark up language'.
hence why so many of us are awaiting the True
Xperl
with a Real "X" in perl - rather than simply having the
implicit extensibility of writing modules.... rather
than the hassle of compiling libraries.....
> This argument about which editor is the best is just the tip.
on this we also agree....
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> I use and own equipment from a 486 to some of the newest technology,
> nut I an typing this from a computer that I have had since the AMD-266
> days.
I think that many here, if push came to shove, can haul
our our 8-bit architectures.....
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> If you keep needing to learn new hardware and software to
> do the same job that you can do with your current equipment,
> why take the time.
Good Challenge!!!
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> Spend you time where it counts. Not to keep up with the "Jones".
Good Maxim!!!
>
> Timothy Lungstrom
> owner of Kracked Press Production
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
ciao
drieux
http://www.wetware.com/drieux/pbl/
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