On Thu, 2 Oct 2003, Todd Wade wrote:
>
> "R. Joseph Newton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Todd Wade wrote:
> >
> > > I'm willing to pester the site owners to let you do the site. But it
> will
> > > probably take more than just you and I. The lack of responses to your OP
> > > might indicate the amount of help the rest of the group is willing to
> > > contribute.
> >
> > I think you may be misinterpreting the silence. Although the OP makes a
> very
> > positive offer of his efforts, he does not communicte it very well.
> > Unfortunately, he starts off with a litany of "what is wrong with..."
> which
> > tends to turn people away before they get to the proposal itself.
>
> I was. I got a couple emails referring me to the archive of the OP's thread
> in perl.advocacy. There were many suggestions made by him to fix things that
> were not broken. If I had read that thread, I wouldve ignored the post also.
> As I was replying to it, I was thinking of something simple like a faq of
> faqs. Now I understand he what is proposing is just too grandiose and
> unimplementable for the resources we have available. Im _glad_ nobody else
> responded so it didn't start over again.
>
What I'm suggesting is not too grandoise or unimplementable. In any case,
what I suggested regarding the Perl world in general, has little to do
with learn.perl.org vs. perl-begin.berlios.de.
I find learn.perl.org inadequate as the main community portal for people
who are trying to learn Perl. I have constructed perl-begin.berlios.de
which is much better. I am willing to perform some work on learn.perl.org
to make it better. However, I cannot because I don't have access to its
source code, and its maintainers have not been responsive lately.
The other suggestions in regard to the Perl world in general are not
directly related to my recent post to this list.
And if you think my suggestions are grandoise, you have to take into
account that I prepared perl-begin all by myself, with some input
by other people (which I still had to input into the site). And I am a
university student and have many other endeavours as well.
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> > FWIW, the core group of helpers posting here is generally hroic in its
> patience
> > and energy, with an emphasis on the former. While I cetainly agree that
> new
> > members should read the FAQ and at least skim the archives before asking a
> > repetitive question, that is somewhat to be expected on a list targeted
> toward
> > beginners. On this mailing list, we expect a certain amount of
> repitition.
> > Some of us may remind posters that they should read the archives and other
> > traffic on the list, but that is usually not the top priority.
> >
>
> Oh I agree. I dont mind the repetitive posting. As you say, this list is for
> perl curious people to ask anything they want ( about perl ) without being
> criticized for it. Although I have noticed a small few taking advantage of
> that fact. Just a small few, though. Not near enough to affect me.
>
I agree here too. One cannot expect beginners to read the FAQ or skim
through the archives, or search Google. They may not be aware of
netiquette as more experienced people are. I think having one global list
for all newbie questions is not such a good idea, because the volume is
quite overwhelming. However, in any such list, one should be prepared to
answer as many of these questions as possible, times and again.
That's also a reason in support of having several separate mailing
lists: you get to hear the same old question less.
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
[1] - and please - how hard it is to designate #perl as the channel for
newbie discussions and to move the advanced discussions and talk to
#perlcafe? Not hard at all.
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