From: Rob Dixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Jenda Krynicky wrote:
> > From:               Rob Dixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Well yes, of course that's possible. But you're advocating abandoning
> >> strictures and writing unintelligible code by proposing it.
> > 
> > Beg your pardon? use strict doesn't have any problems with that code. 
> 
> What I meant was that a code fragment without 'use strict' is acceptable,
> but since your program starts with
> 
>   #!perl
>   use XML::Generator;
> 
> you are clearly posting the entire code and thereby encouraging the
> omission of strictures. It's hard enough as it is to get people to use
> them as a matter of course without a regular poster setting a precedent
> like this.

I see. You may be right
 
> > And if you find map{} uninteligible it's your problem, not the code's.
> 
> What exactly does that mean?

I think I overacted. I've seen too many people claiming that map{} 
makes for hard to read code where the whole problem was that they 
were unable to stop thinking in C. To me, with some background in 
functional languages, map{} feels natural. Just like regexps.
Which is good when coding, but sometimes not so good when trying to 
help people.

> > map{} just transforms a list, what's so hard about it?
> 
> Nothing Jenda. But just imagine coming across the line
> 
>   map { $gen->user({id => $ref->{$_}}, $_) } keys %{$ref}
> 
> in code you'd never seen before. Are you telling me its intent
> would leap out at you instantly? I think most people would take
> at least several seconds, and even then would want to reassure
> themselves that their understanding was correct.

I see. Well I'd probably get a little lost in all those braces for a 
second so

  map {
    $gen->user( {id => $ref->{$_}}, $_)
  } keys %{$ref}

would probably be better. And the reason why I might stop for a 
second is that Perl uses {} for both blocks and hashes. Which is 
understandable with the limited list of bracelike characters, but 
still sometime requires a bit too much context when parsing.

Jenda
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