1. with a cluster can the controller powered up node's' when it is need and can the controller powered down node's' when it is not need 2. that is the different between a computer cluster, computer ray, and computer grid! ============================== J Lee Hughes K C 0 H W A 73 ============================= Do what you can every day! Learn what you can every day! Life is good! ============================= Mike Ditka <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mike_ditka.html> - "If God had wanted man to play soccer, he wouldn't have given us arms."
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:29 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send Beowulf mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.beowulf.org/mailman/listinfo/beowulf > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Beowulf digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. How do I work around this patent? (Jeremy Baker) > 2. Re: How do I work around this patent? (Greg Lindahl) > 3. RE: How do I work around this patent? (Lux, Jim (337C)) > 4. Re: How do I work around this patent? (Nifty Tom Mitchell) > 5. RE: How do I work around this patent? (Lux, Jim (337C)) > 6. Re: Re: switching capacity terminology confusion (Rahul Nabar) > 7. Re: Re: switching capacity terminology confusion (Rahul Nabar) > 8. Microsoft acquires the technology assets of Interactive > Supercomputing (ISC) (Eugen Leitl) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:01:53 -0700 > From: Jeremy Baker <[email protected]> > Subject: [Beowulf] How do I work around this patent? > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I joined this community many years ago to learn about GRID computing when I > was studying biology and the Linux file system, with future goals to write > interesting open source programs. It's the future and I just hit a wall in > the design process of writing code for my study. This problem is related > to > the boring world of business and IP patents. I like patents, but lately I > wonder... > > RE: "...Worlds.com filed a lawsuit Dec. 24 against NCSoft in the U.S. > District Court for the Eastern District of Texas, Tyler Division, for > violating patent 7181690. The patent is described as a method for enabling > users to interact in a virtual space through avatars." > > Online read on patents: > http://www.google.com/patents?id=wv5-AAAAEBAJ&dq=7,181,690 > > http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=BYoGAAAAEBAJ&dq=6,219,045 > > Can someone help me to better understand how these patents interact with > the > open source bazaar method of programing, Linux, the law, GIS systems with > meta data that is essentially 3-D access for a user's avatar, etc? I am > having flow chart issues that are not flowing... and I am now back to the > world of research (patents) when I would rather be writing and compiling > software. > > -- > Jeremy Baker > PO 297 > Johnson, VT > 05656 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.scyld.com/pipermail/beowulf/attachments/20090922/645d9a8b/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:10:57 -0700 > From: Greg Lindahl <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Beowulf] How do I work around this patent? > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > This problem is related to > > the boring world of business and IP patents. I like patents, but lately I > > wonder... > > This is fairly off-topic for this list, but: > > It's basically impossible to write any significant program these days > without infringing on dozens or hundreds of patents. The standard > legal advice to software startups is to not read any patents, in order > to avoid willful infringement. *If* you get sued, then it's worth > looking at the patent in question to see if you can work around it. > You can see this process in action in Linux with the argument over > workarounds for the "long names in FAT filesystems" patent. > > The area you're apparenetly interested in, virtual worlds, likely has > a zillion patents with a lot of overlap. The situation is the same for > things like distributed filesystems, compilers, and perhaps MPI. > > -- greg > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:55:11 -0700 > From: "Lux, Jim (337C)" <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [Beowulf] How do I work around this patent? > To: Jeremy Baker <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > > <ece7a93bd093e1439c20020fbe87c47feb74e7b...@altphyembevsp20.res.ad.jpl> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Jeremy Baker > Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:02 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Beowulf] How do I work around this patent? > > I joined this community many years ago to learn about GRID computing when I > was studying biology and the Linux file system, with future goals to write > interesting open source programs. It's the future and I just hit a wall in > the design process of writing code for my study. This problem is related to > the boring world of business and IP patents. I like patents, but lately I > wonder... > > RE: "...Worlds.com filed a lawsuit Dec. 24 against NCSoft in the U.S. > District Court for the Eastern District of Texas, Tyler Division, for > violating patent 7181690. The patent is described as a method for enabling > users to interact in a virtual space through avatars." > > Online read on patents: > http://www.google.com/patents?id=wv5-AAAAEBAJ&dq=7,181,690 > > http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=BYoGAAAAEBAJ&dq=6,219,045 > > Can someone help me to better understand how these patents interact with > the open source bazaar method of programing, Linux, the law, GIS systems > with meta data that is essentially 3-D access for a user's avatar, etc? I am > having flow chart issues that are not flowing... and I am now back to the > world of research (patents) when I would rather be writing and compiling > software. > > > > --- > > First off, you should know that only the claims determine what the patent > covers. The rest of the patent is just useful information. You need to > decide if your application "reads on" the claims. Hiring a patent attorney > used to doing this kind of analysis is useful.. a few hundred bucks well > spent. Note there's a hierarchy of claims here.. Claim 1 is a big claim, > and then, 2,3,4,and 5 hang on Claim 1. > > Glancing through the claims, it looks like they are patenting a scheme very > much like described in Michael Crichton's "Disclosure", especially with > avatars for other users. Or any of a number of other multi user schemes. > > Maybe your implementation doesn't read on the claims. I note that most of > the claims specifically reference "less than all the other users'" etc. If > your implementation has your local client receiving ALL the other user info, > then this patent doesn't apply. (Claims 1,6, 9, 10, 11, 15, and 18 all have > the "less than all" wording, the rest are subordinate claims) > > > In any case, if what you are doing happens to match the claims, you can > always try to break the patent (i.e. find a prior disclosure of what's being > patented.. a description in a novel might actually be good enough.. consult > your patent attorney). Or, you can patent something yourself, and then > offer to cross license with the holder here. Maybe worlds.com would be > willing? > > Whether you are doing open source or not doesn't really have any influence > on whether something is infringing. If you're doing something described by > the claims, you're infringing. > > Note that this patent was originally applied for in the mid 90s.. going to > be dicey on the prior art. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:07:41 -0700 > From: Nifty Tom Mitchell <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Beowulf] How do I work around this patent? > To: "Lux, Jim (337C)" <[email protected]> > Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 01:55:11PM -0700, Lux, Jim (337C) wrote: > > Subject: [Beowulf] How do I work around this patent? > > > > I joined this community many years ago to learn about GRID computing... > > > > > "...Worlds.com filed a lawsuit .... for violating patent 7181690. > > This sounds like this is a patent for implementing the dictionary > definition of an avatar. The dictionary definition may provide prior art > ;-) > and narrow their applicability. > > Reading through it the implementation includes bits I know or suspect to > be in well known programs like Microsoft Flight simulator, the SGI "dog" > multiuser flight simulator an SGI paper airplane demo that prunes the 3D > space to render and interact with all combined with bits of centralized > "Go" and "Chess" game servers that have been out there almost as long > as the internet. And Big Bertha networked progressive slot machines too.. > > Greg and Jim's comments are spot on. > Greg has his name on some clever patents, I do not know abut Jim. > > One of the critical points in a patent is that it not be obvious. > So the point that you should not look at patents is spot on. If > you reinvent the idea with trivial effort - one point to you. > > So.. Unplug your development stations from the Internet and go back > to work in isolation on a private internet. Document your design and > go see a patent attorney with your design. Update the design and send > him/her updates on a regular basis. In some cases he does not need to > read them, just date and file them. In your design document comment on > all the moving parts, trivial, clever, novel, critical to the product etc. > A good one may also see value in things you might dismiss. > Keep the inventor list up to date too. > > One IMPORTANT point is the moment (date time stamp) that your code is > seen live outside of the lab. Alpha and Beta testers can start the clock > for you on some critical bits. Same for investor disclosure without NDA > etc... > demos for the kids etc. > > Good legal advice can help on all these bits. > > > > -- > T o m M i t c h e l l > Found me a new hat, now what? > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:12:44 -0700 > From: "Lux, Jim (337C)" <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [Beowulf] How do I work around this patent? > To: Nifty Tom Mitchell <[email protected]> > Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > > <ece7a93bd093e1439c20020fbe87c47feb74e7b...@altphyembevsp20.res.ad.jpl> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > Greg and Jim's comments are spot on. > > Greg has his name on some clever patents, I do not know abut Jim. > > > > I don't know that it's necessarily clever, but US 5,971,765 is mine... > It's certainly unique... (and has been litigated, too..) > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:51:40 -0400 > From: Rahul Nabar <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Beowulf] Re: switching capacity terminology confusion > To: Nifty Tom Mitchell <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Nifty Tom Mitchell > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The cluster itself needs very little in the way of special services and > can be > > setup and managed as a homogeneous soft gooey center with a hard crusty > > outside. A "simple" but fast switch with enough ports seems sufficient. > > NFS traffic (fast cascading funnel tree) can be different than say MPI > traffic > > with all hosts communicating at the same time with all the neighbors (one > big cross bar). > > Your cluster design may well shape your switch benchmark testing. > > Yup, I guess we need to wait for a "simple computing" switch model for > HPC just like siilar offerings on the compute server side recently. > I've had not much success getting any significant discounts or > evaluation switches off my local Cisco Vendors. Now if only there are > any Cisco powers-that-be on this mailing list............ :-) > > -- > Rahul > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:53:55 -0400 > From: Rahul Nabar <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Beowulf] Re: switching capacity terminology confusion > To: H?kon Bugge <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Håkon Bugge <[email protected]> wrote: > > > You might check out the reports from the Tolly Group (www.tolly.com), > they > > used to evaluate different eth switches. Not sure how un-biased they are > > though. > > Thanks Hakon! The Tolly group is definately a good lead. i found some > Dell reviews on there. But Cisco switches seem non existant. The three > reviews that I could find were from back in the 90's! > > -- > Rahul > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:26:05 +0200 > From: Eugen Leitl <[email protected]> > Subject: [Beowulf] Microsoft acquires the technology assets of > Interactive Supercomputing (ISC) > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > FYI > > > http://blogs.technet.com/windowsserver/archive/2009/09/21/microsoft-has-acquired-the-technology-assets-of-interactive-supercomputing-isc.aspx > > Microsoft acquires the technology assets of Interactive Supercomputing > (ISC) > > Hello everyone, > > Today, I’m very excited to announce that Microsoft has acquired the > technology assets of Interactive Supercomputing (ISC), a company that > specializes in bringing the power of parallel computing to the desktop and > making high performance computing more accessible to end users. This move > represents our ongoing commitment to parallel computing and high > performance > computing (HPC) and will bring together complementary technologies that > will > help simplify the complexity and difficulty of expressing problems that can > be parallelized. ISC’s products and technology enable faster > prototyping, > iteration, and deployment of large-scale parallel solutions, which is well > aligned with our vision of making high performance computing and parallel > computing easier, both on the desktop and in the cluster. > > Bill Blake, CEO of ISC, is bringing over a team of industry leading experts > on parallel and high performance computing that will join the Microsoft > team > at the New England Research & Development Center in Cambridge, MA. He and > I > are both excited to start working together on the next generation of > technology for researchers, analysts, and engineers, as well as those who > have yet to be exposed to the benefits of parallel computing and HPC > technologies or may have thought they were out of reach. > > We have recently begun plans to integrate ISC technologies into future > versions of Microsoft products and will provide more information over the > coming months on where and how that integration will occur. Beginning > immediately, Microsoft will provide support for ISC’s current Star-P > customers and we are committed to continually listening to customer needs > as > we develop the next generation of HPC and parallel computing technologies. > I’m looking forward to the opportunities our two combined groups have to > greatly improve the capability, performance, and accessibility of parallel > computing and HPC technologies. > > You can find more information on HPC and parallel computing at Microsoft in > these links and stay up to date on integration news and updates at > Microsoft > Pathways, our acquisition information site. > > Kyril Faenov > > General Manager, High Performance & Parallel Computing Technologies > > Filed under: HPC, High Performance Computing, windows hpc server 2008, > Parallel Computing > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Beowulf mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.beowulf.org/mailman/listinfo/beowulf > > > End of Beowulf Digest, Vol 67, Issue 31 > *************************************** >
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