Re: " I don't give a shit about Joseph ..." ; did I mention "unmannerliness"? Peter
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 6:15 AM, Eugen Leitl <[email protected]> wrote: > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 03:42:35PM -0500, Joe Landman wrote: > > Folks: > > > > We are seeing a return to the posting of multiple full articles > > Failure to address the culprit (me, presumably) by name. > Use of majestatis pluralis. Why so pissy? > > > again. We've asked several times that this not occur. It appears to be > > a strong consensus from many I spoke with at SC13 this year, that there > > is little (actually no) support for the full article postings. As we > > I've received two off-list replies that I continue posting. > > > had noted in the case of HPCwire, InsideHPC, etc. posting the full > > article deprives the authors and publishers of clicks, which deprives > > them of potential revenue. > > We've been through this before. > > > Since our requests have again been ignored, we are generally faced > > with a few options on what to do if anything. > > > > Option 1: Do nothing. Nothing will change, and we will have someone > > continue to abuse the resources, the authors and the publications. > > > > Option 2: Personal filtering. This particular individual actually > > threatened me in another group, and I generally simply ignore anything > > Bullshit. Joe Landman, who thinks that his personal views should be > normative, attempted to quash a discussion (not initiated by me) on > the pfSense mailing list. I told him that if he continues to accuse > others of tinfoilhattery in regards to a germane discussion in a > security product in order to censor I will call such wrongful attempts > a Landman's Law, in analogy with Godwin's Law. > > He took the hint, and stopped doing that. > > Now he insinuates here on the Beowulf mailing I threatened Joe Landman > personally, without even calling me by name. This is incorrect > and libelous. I did no such thing. Joe Landman, please retract your > libelous statement about me you made in public. > > > he posts. I haven't gone as far as active filters for him, but have for > > some of the more egregious tin foil hat wearers of that other group. > > > > Option 3: Enforce some of our basic etiquette. If you aren't willing > > to abide by the house rules, you won't be allowed into the house to > > violate the rules. In this case, I see more than two strikes, so I am > > not all that inclined to be terribly forgiving of these breaches. > > I've lost the last shred of personal and professional respect for you, > Joe Landman. You might be a scholar, but you're certainly no gentleman. > > > It is obvious option 1 will do nothing. Option 2 is unsatisfactory, > > as the behavior will continue, and be in the permanent list archive. > > Option 3 seems to be the right approach. > > > > I am not a lawyer, though its not hard to note that reproduction of > > work without permission could wind someone up in court ... this has been > > the basis for the file sharing lawsuits when content owners get pissed > > off enough. It doesn't matter if the owner of the list or the hardware > > the list is on didn't put it there. What matters is that they didn't > > remove it. > > > > Rather than have to deal with the battle above, I'd ask the powers > > that be to decide whether or not they wish to continue to tolerate the > > astounding breach of etiquette, and the risks that it opens up > > (copyright and redistribution of copyrighted work). > > > > Note that we've had this conversation before, and been assured by the > > poster that it wouldn't happen again. As I see it, I've got a number of > > I assume you mean me. I do not recall saying that. > > > his longer posts going into my SPAM filter, which means I have to > > actively clean it lest google start categorizing all mail from Beowulf > > as spam. > > > > I am just not seeing an upside to option 1 or option 2, though option > > 2 provides local filtration. > > > > Anyone else have an opinion? > > Yes. I don't give a shit about Joseph Landman, Ph.D. I'm willing to > abide by house rules, these explicitly not involving one Joseph Landman, > Ph.D. > > I'm willing to start listening to his opinion when Joseph Landman, Ph.D., > retracts his libel against me, in public. Your call. > > > > > -- > > Joseph Landman, Ph.D > > Founder and CEO > > Scalable Informatics, Inc. > > email: [email protected] > > web : http://scalableinformatics.com > > twtr : @scalableinfo > > phone: +1 734 786 8423 x121 > > cell : +1 734 612 4615 > > _______________________________________________ > > Beowulf mailing list, [email protected] sponsored by Penguin Computing > > To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit > http://www.beowulf.org/mailman/listinfo/beowulf > _______________________________________________ > Beowulf mailing list, [email protected] sponsored by Penguin Computing > To change your subscription (digest mode or unsubscribe) visit > http://www.beowulf.org/mailman/listinfo/beowulf >
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