I know this is from France so the issues are different and I have been reading with interest. We bought our lovely BMD from a breeder after much research (though not enough as I now realise). We realised things were not as they seemed when we tried to email and call for help with the terrible biting problems we were encountering. The breeder refused to anser calls or emails. Then Tatty got sick, ver ysick and as she seemed as if she would die I called the breeder. Did she know of any fmaily problems? I got a lot of noise about how it was not her fault my dog was sick (not what I was suggesting), and finally a small detail that one of her dogs had a problem with her throat (that was the entire info). The breed line certs never arrived..... we bought a show quality dog so that we could if we so choose show her and or breed her at a later date. She is fully recovered, fighting fit and we would never give her back or want a refund if she turns out to not be show quality, or not able to be bred due to hips/elbows etc. Instead we will go to another breeder in Franc ewho has responded to our questions, who does not breed unless at least the last two generations are clear. The breeder I bought from has two litters every few months (as seen on her web site) not what she told us on the phone or in person). We should have known better, but when we were there with this new pup we were not going to say no! I am sure there are many more experiences like mine which colour the way us buyers see breeders, however my other experiences with breeders bith on and off this list has changed that view to one of FIND THE RIGHT BREEDER FOR YOU. We will look for a few years before we may or may not buy another pup, just so we know we have found a breeder we personally can trust. It is not about money, it is about ensuring we can make sure the breed stays as wonderful as it can, whether or not we start to breed. I am so glad of the help adn advice offered by breeders and buyers to me, that is seems obvious we need each other. And yes I do tell everyone not to buy from the place I did! Emma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 10:13 PM Subject: Re: Guarantee/Contract Issues
> > > Ruth, > > > > I've always wondered why a guarantee would call for the return of a puppy > prior to any refund for health problems. I can understand why a contract > would be written to ensure the return of the dog to the breeder instead of > allowing it to wind up at the SPCA. > > ***Mind you, this is not the way I view dogs or selling them, Pat. > > ***Dogs are considered livestock in this country. Like it or not, that's > the way it is by law and it the common understanding of the public. It is > uncommon amongst even the most honest of livestock traders to offer animals > with a money back guarantee if the animal does not turn out as hoped. Take > this horse, ride him for a week. If you're not completely happy with him, > send him back for a refund. Take this bull, test his semen. If he is > sterile bring him back and I'll refund your money. > > ***I can see where a person who would sell a dog to a buyer might think it > above and beyond what most folks do to offer a full refund if the dog turns > out not to be what the person wanted. If the dog is truly so undesireable a > refund is warranted, after all WHY would the buyer want to keep it? I know > the answer to the question, but the point is, the person offering such a > guarantee or their buyer may not have even considered same. > > > But why would a caring breeder want to sell a puppy to someone who thought > they could ever return the dog? > > ***I would hope any buyer of one of my dogs WOULD return the dog if it were > unsatisfactory. I'd be very glad the dog was not a burden to someone who > perceived it as such. > > ***Breeder places a dog with a buyer who has intentions to breed the dog. > The dog develops not as the buyer wished it had and the buyer wants to > neuter the dog if she is to keep it. The breeder likes the dog and wants it > returned in tact so she can possibly breed and/or show the dog. In such a > case is not the breeder is fortunate the buyer is willing to return the dog? > > Why would a buyer wish to purchase a dog from someone who would expect that > as a condition of a refund for health > > issues? I've never understood that one. > > ***Perhaps because they have no intention of ever requesting a refund so the > whole issue is a moot point. I have no intention of requesting a refund on > any dog but if I did, I'd know it would be on the same terms as the seller > and I had agreed upon at the time of sale. > > > I love the breeders in this area that guarantee the puppy for health and > temperament - for a full refund on the condition of the return of the dog > and only if the dog is still intact. > > ***Yo do not love it, Pat. You despise it, just as I despise that buyers > are so impatient that they'll buy from just about anybody under all kinds of > circumstances, supporting a whole system of exploitation of dogs. > > ***this is one of those one-size-fits-all socks....it fits both the buyer's > and seller's feet. > > ***the general public is ignorant. I find this discussion learning toward > criticizing breeders who are willing to do more than the law requires them > to do in refunding money to unsatisfied customers. I don't find it > criticizing the public for being so....so...so....gullible. If we, as > fanciers are going to criticize like that, should we adopt, as a group, the > practices for sale of dogs that we feel are reasonable and in the dogs' best > interest so we set ourselves apart as a group from the rest of the dog > breeders? > > Ruth Reynolds >
