please reomove, sorry this is a bit much for emails,
is there a monthly email list?

Thanks

Jeff and Riley the dog

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>                           BERNER-L Digest 4169
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> Topics covered in this issue include:
> 
>   1) Fw: berner pup or baby - which should come
> first???
>       by "Janice Parky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   2) Re: neutering and marking
>       by Willemijn Beurskens-Ilcisin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   3) neutering poll
>       by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   4) Re: "You should take such good care of
> yourself!"
>       by "Eileen Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   5) baby or puppy? puppy, of course!!!
>       by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   6) aol 8.0 html attach
>       by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   7) neutering 
>       by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   8) Re: Neutering poll
>       by "Janice Parky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   9) Re: A Brag for the Budman
>       by "Burlile\\MemoriesBMDs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  10) re: neutering poll
>       by Lisa Baldwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  11) re: neutering poll
>       by "Anne Marie Ayotte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  12) RE: Cage Training
>       by "Robert Rose" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 2.1 message/rfc822 
> From: "Janice Parky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Berner List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Fw: berner pup or baby - which should come
> first???
> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:01:01 -0500
> 
> 
>  Kerry-
> 
> I think the answer to your question is a very
> individual one.  Hopefully the
> advice you get will help you and your husband decide
> what will work for you.
> For me, personally, it was baby first.  It was also
> a looong time ago.  I
> waited until my first child was 2 years old to add a
> dog to the family.  I
> believe, and I'm sure some will disagree, that it is
> easier to add a dog to
> a family with a small child, than a small child to a
> family with a dog.  Of
> course, the  temperament of the dog has a lot to do
> with the acceptance of a
> new child.  If you decide dog first, find a breeder
> who will help you find a
> pup that they feel will do well when baby arrives.  
> I believe very stongly,
> that dogs raised with children have a better chance
> of learning
> child-tolerance and respect than a dog that has not
> and then is asked to
> accept another "pack" member.    I also have know of
> two beloved family
> dogs-one rehomed, one euthanized because of it's
> intolerence of the new
> child.   It is also important that you and you
> husband, as parents of both
> the pup and child realize that it is your job to
> make it work.  Small
> children need constant vigilence amd training around
> puppies, as puppies and
> older dogs need socialization, training and
> viglience around small children.
> I would also not advise, which ever "first" happens,
> that you wait until you
> are confident you can handle the "other".
> 
> As for the ticking clock, both scenarios will be
> exhausting.  Sorry.<G>.  Of
> course, you also have no idea of what "Mother
> Nature" and the ticking clock
> will decide, so eventually that may need to be
> factored in as well
> 
>  Janice Parky
> > Cape Cod, MA.
> >
> >
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 2.2 message/rfc822 
> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:05:14 -0800
> Subject: Re: neutering and marking
> From: Willemijn Beurskens-Ilcisin
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Logan was neutered just before 6 months and started
> leg lifting at about 
> 18 months.  He still does not really "know" what he
> needs to do - he 
> lifts his leg and half he time does not pee.  If he
> really needs to go 
> he squats...
> 
> Will Ilcisin and Logan
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 2.3 message/rfc822 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:06:26 EST
> Subject: neutering poll
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> I have two Berners:
> 
> Jackson, is 2 years old and was neutered when he was
> 6 months old.  We had 
> him neutered for two reasons:
> 1. We signed a contract that said we would, and he
> was sold on limited 
> registration.
> 2.  We didn't want to deal with the behavioral
> issues that come with an 
> intact male.  He was our first dog and we were
> worried we wouldn't be able to 
> handle the dominance and the desire to chase down
> every bitch on the street!
> Oh and,
> 3. We had wanted a girl, but there was only one in
> the litter, so we figured 
> a neuterd male was as close as we'd get. <VBG>
> 
> We also have Sallie, who is 1 year old.  We had her
> spayed just this past 
> September, and we really just missed her first heat.
>  She was so much later 
> than we hoped because we got her with severe chronic
> Lymes. (Not from her 
> breeder, from her previous owners.)  We had her
> spayed for the following 
> reasons:
> 1. There was no way I was going to deal with a heat.
>  No way!!
> 2. She could use some mellowing and the least amount
> of hormones in her body, 
> the better.
> 3. Seriously, we were not in a position to deal with
> puppies, she has leg 
> problems and shouldn't produce them, and I don't
> want to be respoinsible for 
> finding good homes and worrying about puppies.  I
> could never be a breeder.
> 
> Kendra, Jackson, and Sallie
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 2.4 message/rfc822 
> From: "Eileen Morgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: "You should take such good care of
> yourself!"
> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 20:16:52 -0500
> 
> A number of my friends have decided they should be
> one of my pets in their
> next life. :-)
> If one of these particular friends ever does pass on
> before me, I'll
> probably watch my next young critter carefully for
> familiar behavior traits
> . . . =8-0
> 
> Eileen Morgan
> The Mare's Nest
> http://www.enter.net/~edlehman
> 
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